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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 7, 2022 9:28:49 GMT -6
Barber is the for sure keeper. Dirden, yes, but he is already 25. Both pitchers might have control issues. Daniels is the lowest ranked, and Astros drafted so many OFs last year. The Astros seem to be crowded with OFs that are going to get a shot before him or right around his time. Can the Astros trade any of these players before the Rule 5 draft? Yes. Any of them could be traded before the Rule 5 draft. What were your thoughts on the five you listed? |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 10:15:58 GMT -6
Yes. Any of them could be traded before the Rule 5 draft. What were your thoughts on the five you listed? Once the Astros decline their mutual option on Mancini and their club option on Smith, there will be plenty enough room to add all five to the 40-man roster. That said, they won’t all be added. Any team that drafts one of them in the Rule 5 has to carry that player on their active roster for the entire 2023 season or offer the player back to the Astros for 1/2 what they paid the Astros when they drafted the player in the Rule 5. It is much easier to stash a young pitching prospect on the active roster than it is a position player. Tamerez is a flamethrower and he looked good after he was promoted to AAA in early September. I definitely think some team will draft Tamerez if he is not protected. Melendez… I’m not so sure about. I might protect him since there is plenty space on the 40-man roster. He is young and could still develop into a good pitcher. Barber is a good prospect, but has not played above High A ball. Dirden is already 25 and has limited time above AA ball. I don’t know how likely either of them is to being drafted. Nobody will draft Daniels. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 7, 2022 10:17:47 GMT -6
Did y'all see the story that Click had a deal in place to get Contreras for Urquidy but Crane didn't approve it after Dusty convinced him not to? It all ended up okay, but we were desperate for extra offense in the postseason and Urquidy barely even pitched... Says a lot about the dynamics in the FO and why Click/Crane may not be happy with their current relationship. I'm glad, honestly. Three years of a solid mid-rotation starter would be a horrible price to pay for a few months of a guy having a career year with the bat. I think they can get a lot more for Urquidy this off-season if they want to move him. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 7, 2022 10:18:23 GMT -6
Resign Brantley
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 10:19:31 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 10:23:42 GMT -6
Did y'all see the story that Click had a deal in place to get Contreras for Urquidy but Crane didn't approve it after Dusty convinced him not to? It all ended up okay, but we were desperate for extra offense in the postseason and Urquidy barely even pitched... Says a lot about the dynamics in the FO and why Click/Crane may not be happy with their current relationship. I'm glad, honestly. Three years of a solid mid-rotation starter would be a horrible price to pay for a few months of a guy having a career year with the bat. I think they can get a lot more for Urquidy this off-season if they want to move him. If JV re-signs with Houston, I think either Garcia or Urquidy will be traded. Actually I wouldn’t have a problem with McCullers being traded. The guy has been in the big league 6 years now and still hasn’t learned to control his emotions. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 7, 2022 10:33:31 GMT -6
I'm glad, honestly. Three years of a solid mid-rotation starter would be a horrible price to pay for a few months of a guy having a career year with the bat. I think they can get a lot more for Urquidy this off-season if they want to move him. If JV re-signs with Houston, I think either Garcia or Urquidy will be traded. Actually I wouldn’t have a problem with McCullers being traded. The guy has been in the big league 6 years now and still hasn’t learned to control his emotions. I would be in favor of decent return for Urquidy. I would also be in favor of any return for Lance. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 10:39:36 GMT -6
Did y'all see the story that Click had a deal in place to get Contreras for Urquidy but Crane didn't approve it after Dusty convinced him not to? It all ended up okay, but we were desperate for extra offense in the postseason and Urquidy barely even pitched... Says a lot about the dynamics in the FO and why Click/Crane may not be happy with their current relationship. I'm glad, honestly. Three years of a solid mid-rotation starter would be a horrible price to pay for a few months of a guy having a career year with the bat. I think they can get a lot more for Urquidy this off-season if they want to move him. It seems like it would have been a fair deal either way. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 10:45:01 GMT -6
ɮօʀȶǟʐ - No championship photo for the header for the site? Lets go!
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2022 10:53:12 GMT -6
Why do you want him to resign? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 7, 2022 11:14:11 GMT -6
ɮօʀȶǟʐ - No championship photo for the header for the site? Lets go! Please, nobody piss off the Frog! |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 11:24:13 GMT -6
Provided he is recovering well, I see no reason to not offer Brantley a 1-year deal. Or maybe even a 1-year deal with a mutual option and a small buyout. We know we're not going to get much power from him, but he's a guy that can still make good contact and advance runners, get on base, work pitch counts. Still a solid defender. Gives us more OF depth. We love Altuve, and Bregman is still good. But, we still need some of that older veteran leadership that Brantley provides as well. He's almost like an OF coach.
That being said, we do need to add another power bat somehow somewhere in this lineup. We're only guaranteed decent power from Yordan and Tucker. Bregman, Pena, and Altuve are still going to be 20+ HR guys, but we need more from 1B or the other OFers not named Tucker. To me, that needs to be 1B. Yuli still has value with his scooping and he had a strong postseason, but I think we need to move him to more of a utility/depth type guy if he'll stay on for a cheaper salary.
See if we can get a Bell, Rizzo, or Abreu. If you have a bench with Hensley (IF depth), Gurriel (IF depth), Korey Lee (C), Meyers (OF), and Y. Diaz (1B/C) I think you have an affordable fairly high quality bench.
Altuve 2B
Pena SS
Yordan DH
Bregman 3B
Tucker RF
Free Agent 1B
Brantley LF
Maldonado C
McCormick CF
Lee
Diaz
Hensley
Gurriel
Meyers
Pitching staff would depend on JV and any trades made, but I like the above lineup and bench. Lots of versatility, a good balance of offense and defense, a good balance of youth and experience.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2022 11:31:53 GMT -6
Rizzo would be my top target. He’d be a great replacement for Gurriel. Bell kind of scares me when he shrank under the big lights of San Diego.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 7, 2022 11:44:10 GMT -6
ɮօʀȶǟʐ - No championship photo for the header for the site? Lets go! Remind me later, I'm at work. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 12:22:34 GMT -6
Rizzo would be my top target. He’d be a great replacement for Gurriel. Bell kind of scares me when he shrank under the big lights of San Diego. I like Rizzo, but I think he'll get overpaid. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 7, 2022 12:39:54 GMT -6
I would not mind Rizzo, but he's 33 and I don't know if I'd want to give him more than three years, and I think he gets more than that.
I think Bell is probably still the best target. I think his first four months were a career-stretch, and I don't expect him to get paid commensurate to that. He's also just 30, compared to the other options out there. You could give him 4-5 years and feel okay with that.
Abreu is the oldest, but he doesn't seem to have declined at all yet. The age should limit him to probably a three year deal, and I'd be willing to risk that to add another Brantley-esque hitter to the lineup.
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 12:50:57 GMT -6
Provided he is recovering well, I see no reason to not offer Brantley a 1-year deal. Or maybe even a 1-year deal with a mutual option and a small buyout. We know we're not going to get much power from him, but he's a guy that can still make good contact and advance runners, get on base, work pitch counts. Still a solid defender. Gives us more OF depth. We love Altuve, and Bregman is still good. But, we still need some of that older veteran leadership that Brantley provides as well. He's almost like an OF coach. That being said, we do need to add another power bat somehow somewhere in this lineup. We're only guaranteed decent power from Yordan and Tucker. Bregman, Pena, and Altuve are still going to be 20+ HR guys, but we need more from 1B or the other OFers not named Tucker. To me, that needs to be 1B. Yuli still has value with his scooping and he had a strong postseason, but I think we need to move him to more of a utility/depth type guy if he'll stay on for a cheaper salary. See if we can get a Bell, Rizzo, or Abreu. If you have a bench with Hensley (IF depth), Gurriel (IF depth), Korey Lee (C), Meyers (OF), and Y. Diaz (1B/C) I think you have an affordable fairly high quality bench. Altuve 2B Pena SS Yordan DH Bregman 3B Tucker RF Free Agent 1B Brantley LF Maldonado C McCormick CF Lee Diaz Hensley Gurriel Meyers Pitching staff would depend on JV and any trades made, but I like the above lineup and bench. Lots of versatility, a good balance of offense and defense, a good balance of youth and experience. I would prefer that Maldonado call the games and provide his leadership and intangibles from the dugout next season. I expect that Crane will sign Josh Bell in the offseason in order to give Dusty the American Born Black Player that was missing from the WS roster this year. I would prefer Jose Abreu on a 1 or 2 year deal, but he is Cuban born and has that weird looking goatee. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 13:04:24 GMT -6
Provided he is recovering well, I see no reason to not offer Brantley a 1-year deal. Or maybe even a 1-year deal with a mutual option and a small buyout. We know we're not going to get much power from him, but he's a guy that can still make good contact and advance runners, get on base, work pitch counts. Still a solid defender. Gives us more OF depth. We love Altuve, and Bregman is still good. But, we still need some of that older veteran leadership that Brantley provides as well. He's almost like an OF coach. That being said, we do need to add another power bat somehow somewhere in this lineup. We're only guaranteed decent power from Yordan and Tucker. Bregman, Pena, and Altuve are still going to be 20+ HR guys, but we need more from 1B or the other OFers not named Tucker. To me, that needs to be 1B. Yuli still has value with his scooping and he had a strong postseason, but I think we need to move him to more of a utility/depth type guy if he'll stay on for a cheaper salary. See if we can get a Bell, Rizzo, or Abreu. If you have a bench with Hensley (IF depth), Gurriel (IF depth), Korey Lee (C), Meyers (OF), and Y. Diaz (1B/C) I think you have an affordable fairly high quality bench. Altuve 2B Pena SS Yordan DH Bregman 3B Tucker RF Free Agent 1B Brantley LF Maldonado C McCormick CF Lee Diaz Hensley Gurriel Meyers Pitching staff would depend on JV and any trades made, but I like the above lineup and bench. Lots of versatility, a good balance of offense and defense, a good balance of youth and experience. I would prefer that Maldonado call the games and provide his leadership and intangibles from the dugout next season. I expect that Crane will sign Josh Bell in the offseason in order to give Dusty the American Born Black Player that was missing from the WS roster this year. I would prefer Jose Abreu on a 1 or 2 year deal, but he is Cuban born and has that weird looking goatee. I would prefer it too, but I don't think it will happen. Maybe he'll start less than he did this year, but I bet he still catches the most. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2022 14:30:50 GMT -6
I would not mind Rizzo, but he's 33 and I don't know if I'd want to give him more than three years, and I think he gets more than that. I think Bell is probably still the best target. I think his first four months were a career-stretch, and I don't expect him to get paid commensurate to that. He's also just 30, compared to the other options out there. You could give him 4-5 years and feel okay with that. Abreu is the oldest, but he doesn't seem to have declined at all yet. The age should limit him to probably a three year deal, and I'd be willing to risk that to add another Brantley-esque hitter to the lineup. I wouldn’t mind Rizzo here because he’s a pesky hitter, has a two-strike approach, more power than Gurriel, is significantly younger, and plays decent defense. Another alternative is Abreu but he’s older. I would sign Bell to a long term deal provided it has options. What you’re hoping for is the Bell who played for the Nats and not the one who was a Padre. The shrinking on a contending team kind of makes me wary about him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2022 14:31:30 GMT -6
Rizzo would be my top target. He’d be a great replacement for Gurriel. Bell kind of scares me when he shrank under the big lights of San Diego. I like Rizzo, but I think he'll get overpaid. Well, there’s a reason why Gurriel isn’t. I just don’t think they should keep going to that well. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 14:42:03 GMT -6
I like Rizzo, but I think he'll get overpaid. Well, there’s a reason why Gurriel isn’t. I just don’t think they should keep going to that well. No I agree we need to upgrade at 1B offensively. I think Bell or Abreu are natural logical fits. I'd expect Bell if Crane is okay with spending the money. I just feel like Rizzo will get overpaid for what he actually contributes. His AVG and OBP were fairly low despite the good power. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 7, 2022 14:42:06 GMT -6
Aren’t the winter meetings going on right now? Luhnow used to come away with something as I recall.
The way I see it is that you can only afford to carry Maldonado’s “bat” if you don’t have other black holes in the lineup. We all know we need an upgrade at 1b and CF. If Uncle Mike can put in a productive healthy season the OF should be set until Gilbert arrives but if we can get a CF with a somewhat consistent stick for a couple of years I’d be all for it. Of all the players we’ve lost I miss Springer the most. I kept thinking during the playoffs that it would be nice to have him at the top of the lineup again.
So Bell or Abreu for 1b. I like Chas as a 4th OF.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2022 14:45:35 GMT -6
Well, there’s a reason why Gurriel isn’t. I just don’t think they should keep going to that well. No I agree we need to upgrade at 1B offensively. I think Bell or Abreu are natural logical fits. I'd expect Bell if Crane is okay with spending the money. I just feel like Rizzo will get overpaid for what he actually contributes. His AVG and OBP were fairly low despite the good power. I don’t know if I’m more shocked with Rizzo’s slash like or his home runs. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 14:50:13 GMT -6
No I agree we need to upgrade at 1B offensively. I think Bell or Abreu are natural logical fits. I'd expect Bell if Crane is okay with spending the money. I just feel like Rizzo will get overpaid for what he actually contributes. His AVG and OBP were fairly low despite the good power. I don’t know if I’m more shocked with Rizzo’s slash like or his home runs. Rizzo had a very similar year to what Chris Carter averaged with us. Carter was a solid player for what he was, but I wouldn't pay him more than $7-8 million a year, which means I wouldn't pay Rizzo much more than $10-12 million a year. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 7, 2022 14:53:34 GMT -6
If you could get Christian Walker and either Varsho or McCarthy from Arizona for Urquidy, Meyers, and a prospect or two.... Would you do it?
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 7, 2022 14:59:13 GMT -6
If you could get Christian Walker and either Varsho or McCarthy from Arizona for Urquidy, Meyers, and a prospect or two.... Would you do it? Oh hell yeah. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 7, 2022 15:44:21 GMT -6
Tommy Pham or Josh Harrison? They are both qualified to be on a World Series Team.
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 15:46:48 GMT -6
If you could get Christian Walker and either Varsho or McCarthy from Arizona for Urquidy, Meyers, and a prospect or two.... Would you do it? Yes. Absolutely! |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 7, 2022 15:48:43 GMT -6
Aren’t the winter meetings going on right now? Luhnow used to come away with something as I recall. The way I see it is that you can only afford to carry Maldonado’s “bat” if you don’t have other black holes in the lineup. We all know we need an upgrade at 1b and CF. If Uncle Mike can put in a productive healthy season the OF should be set until Gilbert arrives but if we can get a CF with a somewhat consistent stick for a couple of years I’d be all for it. Of all the players we’ve lost I miss Springer the most. I kept thinking during the playoffs that it would be nice to have him at the top of the lineup again. So Bell or Abreu for 1b. I like Chas as a 4th OF. I think the winter meetings are in the first week of December. December 4-7, I think. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 7, 2022 15:50:54 GMT -6
Aren’t the winter meetings going on right now? Luhnow used to come away with something as I recall. The way I see it is that you can only afford to carry Maldonado’s “bat” if you don’t have other black holes in the lineup. We all know we need an upgrade at 1b and CF. If Uncle Mike can put in a productive healthy season the OF should be set until Gilbert arrives but if we can get a CF with a somewhat consistent stick for a couple of years I’d be all for it. Of all the players we’ve lost I miss Springer the most. I kept thinking during the playoffs that it would be nice to have him at the top of the lineup again. So Bell or Abreu for 1b. I like Chas as a 4th OF. I think the winter meetings are in the first week of December. December 4-7, I think. I think there are GM manager meetings going on right now... But you're right on Winter meetings, they are next month... Do we officially have a GM? |
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