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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2022 12:04:41 GMT -6
I hope Dusty returning will result in Rizzo and Pederson wanting to play here. Our regulars are due for a WS hangover Do you really think so? I think Alex and Altuve love baseball too much to not give maximum effort. Sometimes, hangover means tired like Altuve seemed to be for much of the postseason. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 8, 2022 12:08:22 GMT -6
Do you really think so? I think Alex and Altuve love baseball too much to not give maximum effort. That's why they play hurt so much and pull the ball when their legs get tired. I'm afraid of the tendency guys might copy what Yuli did this year. Saving the tank for the postseason. I like to keep a positive attitude, but I'm concerned about our run-production during the regular next season I think it's always good to have some new blood in there, but I think, at least with those two, they're very concerned with their individual legacy as well as winning championships. Altuve REALLY wanted that .300 AVG this year, for example. And Bregman REALLY wants to get back to his 2019 level performance. Tucker and Pena are playing for big extensions or future free agent contracts, and I think Yordan's floor for the next few years is his 2021 level. I'm more worried about both of them from a health standpoint. Altuve has put a ton of extra innings on his body for a very long time now. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 12:09:27 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I think Click's going to announce that he's moving on from the Astros I hope Click stays, but wouldn’t blame him if he leaves. It must be difficult for a GM when he has to get the manager’s approval to make a trade, otherwise the manager will go to the owner and get the trade vetoed. Not a good situation. My concern is Crane thinking the title is all about him, so any schmo he picks would be a good GM since he lucked out with Click last time. It's a shame cause everyone mostly gave Click gold stars on his draft, and it'll wind up being the only draft he had with us that didn't have sanctions |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 12:14:03 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's a LHB and solid with the leather |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 8, 2022 12:24:59 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's a LHB and solid with the leather Isn’t Bell an American born switch hitter? |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 12:27:28 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's a LHB and solid with the leather Isn’t Bell an American born switch hitter? That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's won a title. He'd know the expectation before stepping in the clubhouse the first time |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 8, 2022 12:30:18 GMT -6
Isn’t Bell an American born switch hitter? That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's won a title. He'd know the expectation before stepping in the clubhouse the first time Of the 3, Bell, Abreu and Rizzo, which is the better glove man? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 12:33:53 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's a LHB and solid with the leather Isn’t Bell an American born switch hitter? You two have a lot in common 😉 |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 12:33:55 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's won a title. He'd know the expectation before stepping in the clubhouse the first time Of the 3, Bell, Abreu and Rizzo, which is the better glove man? I haven't looked at fangraphs in a while, but I do recall Costas saying Yuli and Rizzo were best at scoops this season |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 12:34:24 GMT -6
That's a good point, but I like that Rizzo's won a title. He'd know the expectation before stepping in the clubhouse the first time Of the 3, Bell, Abreu and Rizzo, which is the better glove man? I would say Rizzo |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 8, 2022 13:01:14 GMT -6
I would not give up a draft choice to sign Rizzo. I still favor Jose Abreu on a 1-2 year deal.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2022 13:15:15 GMT -6
Replacement for Aledmys?
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 8, 2022 13:55:41 GMT -6
Pass. We have the tall white boy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 14:09:55 GMT -6
I would not give up a draft choice to sign Rizzo. I still favor Jose Abreu on a 1-2 year deal. What are we talking about in draft compensation, 2nd or 3rd round? I would still do it.. Off-season: 1. Rizzo 2 year/36M deal with $18m 3rd year club option 2. Nimmo 4 year/$80M w $20m 5th year club option 3. Seth Lugo 3 year/$24M 4. Chafin 2 year/$18M 5. Brantley 1 year/$8M with $8M 2nd year club option Nimmo (L) Pena (R) Alvarez (L) Altuve (R) Tucker (L) Bregman (R) Rizzo (L) Brantley (L) Lee/Valdez (R) Bench Lee or Valdez Maldonado McCormick Hensley *Some speedy guy 1. Valdez 2. Javier 3. LMJ 4. Garcia 5. Urquidy or Brown Bullpen Pressly Abreu Stanek Chafin Neris Urquidy or Brown Lugo |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2022 14:12:57 GMT -6
I also don’t care about losing a pick for Rizzo. Click has shown himself to be a smart and calculating GM. Roll the dice. What’s the main problem the Astros tend to have on offense? Smart AB’s. That’s why they missed Brantley. You can’t have only Bregman having a level head at the plate. That’s also why Abreu is decent. He can work a count and hit liners.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 14:37:53 GMT -6
I also don’t care about losing a pick for Rizzo. Click has shown himself to be a smart and calculating GM. Roll the dice. What’s the main problem the Astros tend to have on offense? Smart AB’s. That’s why they missed Brantley. You can’t have only Bregman having a level head at the plate. That’s also why Abreu is decent. He can work a count and hit liners. I liked the thought of Bell, but I agree it's concerning that he hit well on a last-place team, and then wilted after being traded to a contender. That reminds me of us and Ken Giles for a pitcher example |
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Post by talshill on Nov 8, 2022 14:53:09 GMT -6
Dusty made me crazy multiple times over the past few years. The largest part of the reason was I was sure that he was going to keep us from winning another title. Well he tried but they won and a big part of the reason was his unwavering belief in players and his genuine love of the game. So now that my lust for another championship has been sated I am all for Dusty having another run at it. If he and Click can kiss and make up then the Astros will be better off for it in 2023. He did the same thing to me. A bunch of WTF moments. But the players play for him. So therefore I'm backing him. Of course they “played” for him. They would have “played” for you if you had been the manager. They have millions of reasons to “play”. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 8, 2022 14:54:38 GMT -6
I also don’t care about losing a pick for Rizzo. Click has shown himself to be a smart and calculating GM. Roll the dice. What’s the main problem the Astros tend to have on offense? Smart AB’s. That’s why they missed Brantley. You can’t have only Bregman having a level head at the plate. That’s also why Abreu is decent. He can work a count and hit liners. I liked the thought of Bell, but I agree it's concerning that he hit well on a last-place team, and then wilted after being traded to a contender. That reminds me of us and Ken Giles for a pitcher example Abreu might be better short-term. But either is an upgrade offensively on Yuli. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2022 15:03:04 GMT -6
I also don’t care about losing a pick for Rizzo. Click has shown himself to be a smart and calculating GM. Roll the dice. What’s the main problem the Astros tend to have on offense? Smart AB’s. That’s why they missed Brantley. You can’t have only Bregman having a level head at the plate. That’s also why Abreu is decent. He can work a count and hit liners. I liked the thought of Bell, but I agree it's concerning that he hit well on a last-place team, and then wilted after being traded to a contender. That reminds me of us and Ken Giles for a pitcher example Yeah, Bell did not impress me during his time in the cheesy taco uniforms. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 15:22:38 GMT -6
He did the same thing to me. A bunch of WTF moments. But the players play for him. So therefore I'm backing him. Of course they “played” for him. They would have “played” for you if you had been the manager. They have millions of reasons to “play”. You never played on teams in your life, where a coach's leadership instilled confidence in you and inspired you to do better? You can transcend this to pretty much a lot of moments in your life. Think back of all these people that you've had in your life that made you think: I'm glad they were there. That you persevered, you succeeded. That you couldn't imagine being were you're today without them. I mean that could be a coach, a teacher, a parent, a friend, a counselor, a pastor, a slump buster...you name it. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 8, 2022 15:24:40 GMT -6
A lot of that is true, but he was also fortunate to be given such a good team. On paper: Astros 2018 and 2019 Astros > Astros 2021 and 2022. Results: Astros 2021 and Astros 2022 > Astros 2018 and Astros 2019 Therefore: Dusty > Hinch Don’t want to seem like I’m picking on you because I do like you, but this is a causal fallacy. The Astros won mostly because of a history-making bullpen which is something Hinch never had. The major credit for this WS win goes to Luhnow who obtained most of these guys and put the system in place to refine them and Click who was smart enough to tweak where needed and then leave it alone. I’m not implying that Hinch was a better manager because I really don’t know one way or the other. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 15:24:51 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 15:26:50 GMT -6
On paper: Astros 2018 and 2019 Astros > Astros 2021 and 2022. Results: Astros 2021 and Astros 2022 > Astros 2018 and Astros 2019 Therefore: Dusty > Hinch Don’t want to seem like I’m picking on you because I do like you, but this is a causal fallacy. The Astros won mostly because of a history-making bullpen which is something Hinch never had. The major credit for this WS win goes to Luhnow who obtained most of these guys and put the system in place to refine them and Click who was smart enough to tweak where needed and then leave it alone. I’m not implying that Hinch was a better manager because I really don’t know one way or the other. I appreciate you saying that. We're adults, not everyone is going to have the same opinion. But let's just agree that I'm right and you're wrong. Deal, Shake hands? |
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Post by talshill on Nov 8, 2022 15:31:25 GMT -6
Of course they “played” for him. They would have “played” for you if you had been the manager. They have millions of reasons to “play”. You never played on teams in your life, where a coach's leadership instilled confidence in you and inspired you to do better? You can transcend this to pretty much a lot of moments in your life. Think back of all these people that you've had in your life that made you think: I'm glad they were there. That you persevered, you succeeded. That you couldn't imagine being were you're today without them. I mean that could be a coach, a teacher, a parent, a friend, a counselor, a pastor, a slump buster...you name it. Sure there have been people who inspired me. The Astros I’ve heard about all say they love playing under Dusty. They said the same about Hinch. But the hallmark of a professional is that they perform their job regardless of the score, the odds, management, etc. Certainly the players are human and respond to positive feedback. Do you know if Dusty is any better than Hinch was in this aspect? Neither do I. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 8, 2022 15:33:40 GMT -6
Don’t want to seem like I’m picking on you because I do like you, but this is a causal fallacy. The Astros won mostly because of a history-making bullpen which is something Hinch never had. The major credit for this WS win goes to Luhnow who obtained most of these guys and put the system in place to refine them and Click who was smart enough to tweak where needed and then leave it alone. I’m not implying that Hinch was a better manager because I really don’t know one way or the other. I appreciate you saying that. We're adults, not everyone is going to have the same opinion. But let's just agree that I'm right and you're wrong. Deal, Shake hands? Lol. Okay. I bow to thee, green dragon. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Nov 8, 2022 15:34:01 GMT -6
His name is David Hensley. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 8, 2022 15:36:47 GMT -6
You never played on teams in your life, where a coach's leadership instilled confidence in you and inspired you to do better? You can transcend this to pretty much a lot of moments in your life. Think back of all these people that you've had in your life that made you think: I'm glad they were there. That you persevered, you succeeded. That you couldn't imagine being were you're today without them. I mean that could be a coach, a teacher, a parent, a friend, a counselor, a pastor, a slump buster...you name it. Sure there have been people who inspired me. The Astros I’ve heard about all say they love playing under Dusty. They said the same about Hinch. But the hallmark of a professional is that they perform their job regardless of the score, the odds, management, etc. Certainly the players are human and respond to positive feedback. Do you know if Dusty is any better than Hinch was in this aspect? Neither do I. Even though Dusty has done some stupid s***, no way, no how... Does he bring Will Harris, who just gave up a gopher ball the previous day, into relieve Zach Greinke.... While you had Gerritt Cole warmed up... I'm never, ever going to live that down. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 8, 2022 16:01:12 GMT -6
Sure there have been people who inspired me. The Astros I’ve heard about all say they love playing under Dusty. They said the same about Hinch. But the hallmark of a professional is that they perform their job regardless of the score, the odds, management, etc. Certainly the players are human and respond to positive feedback. Do you know if Dusty is any better than Hinch was in this aspect? Neither do I. Even though Dusty has done some stupid s***, no way, no how... Does he bring Will Harris, who just gave up a gopher ball the previous day, into relieve Zach Greinke.... While you had Gerritt Cole warmed up…. Maybe not, but he would bring in Montero, who just gave up two gopher balls the previous day and has his throwing arm in a cast…, |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 8, 2022 16:18:06 GMT -6
Dusty saying he was gonna start McCullers in Game 7 makes me wish he retired
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 8, 2022 16:21:07 GMT -6
Sure there have been people who inspired me. The Astros I’ve heard about all say they love playing under Dusty. They said the same about Hinch. But the hallmark of a professional is that they perform their job regardless of the score, the odds, management, etc. Certainly the players are human and respond to positive feedback. Do you know if Dusty is any better than Hinch was in this aspect? Neither do I. Even though Dusty has done some stupid s***, no way, no how... Does he bring Will Harris, who just gave up a gopher ball the previous day, into relieve Zach Greinke.... While you had Gerritt Cole warmed up... I'm never, ever going to live that down. Never EVER. Especially when the baddest pitcher on the planet is warming up and you know he’ll leave. Ridiculous. |
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