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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 3, 2023 15:59:37 GMT -6
Holy shit...I completely forgot about that dude. The lumberjack, the deadliest catch fisherman, pimp his cheating girlfriend, the connoisseur of fine wines Was he the one who condones abuse as long as the relationship isn’t serious? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 3, 2023 17:26:18 GMT -6
The lumberjack, the deadliest catch fisherman, pimp his cheating girlfriend, the connoisseur of fine wines Was he the one who condones abuse as long as the relationship isn’t serious? No that was Corch |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 3, 2023 18:26:48 GMT -6
Was he the one who condones abuse as long as the relationship isn’t serious? No that was Corch Oh, right. Sometimes I think they’re the same person. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 3, 2023 20:23:26 GMT -6
Oh, right. Sometimes I think they’re the same person. Caastro? |
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Post by Saint on Mar 3, 2023 23:45:48 GMT -6
Enough ST. I'm ready for meaningful baseball.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 4, 2023 13:13:33 GMT -6
Enough ST. I'm ready for meaningful baseball. They don't need weeks and weeks of spring training to get ready for a game they play for 8 months out of the year. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 4, 2023 14:52:30 GMT -6
Enough ST. I'm ready for meaningful baseball. They don't need weeks and weeks of spring training to get ready for a game they play for 8 months out of the year. Especially since most of the veterans only play a third of the time. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 4, 2023 17:12:05 GMT -6
ST is for the pitchers, really, who need more time to ramp up, and more rest in between outings.
But there are other factors. Teams have agreements with the cities and stadiums where they host ST and they do make money on it. Probably would be hard to downsize it significantly for those reasons alone.
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Post by m240 on Mar 5, 2023 9:25:57 GMT -6
ST is for the pitchers, really, who need more time to ramp up, and more rest in between outings. But there are other factors. Teams have agreements with the cities and stadiums where they host ST and they do make money on it. Probably would be hard to downsize it significantly for those reasons alone. pitchers and rookies/prospect evaluations imo |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 5, 2023 12:47:43 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 5, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -6
If they would just factor in he gets paid only 1/2 of what he could be making, since he only plays 1/3 of the games, it really isn't that bad....well beyond the factor of 4 more seasons of ghost pitcher. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 5, 2023 17:20:07 GMT -6
If that's our worst contract then it's hard to complain about Crane. I'm sure you'll find a way though! |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 5, 2023 20:30:09 GMT -6
If that's our worst contract then it's hard to complain about Crane. I'm sure you'll find a way though! I was complaining about Lance. Get it together, grump! |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 6:54:05 GMT -6
If that's our worst contract then it's hard to complain about Crane. I'm sure you'll find a way though! I was complaining about Lance. Get it together, grump! You shut your dirty mouth. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 6, 2023 7:03:14 GMT -6
If that's our worst contract then it's hard to complain about Crane. I'm sure you'll find a way though! I was complaining about Lance. Get it together, grump! McWorthless' PR man doesn't have any choice but to be a grump |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 10:28:08 GMT -6
Is it a bad contract yet though? Let's break it down thus far:
Extension signed prior to 2021.
His salary earned since 2021: $22,450,000 ($11,225,000 per season average)
Performance since extension: 17-7 36 GS 210 IP 2.96 ERA (142 ERA+) + 1-1 26 IP 3.81 ERA in the postseason during that time
That's basically a good full season's worth of work for $22-23 million. What other veteran ace is only making that kind of money for that level of performance? Most are well over $25 million. I'd say he has easily earned what he has been paid thus far.
*IF* his contract ends up being bad, it will depend on his health going forward. For his total salary earned thus far, his performance has been good. We'll see how he does over the next 4 seasons.
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 6, 2023 15:04:35 GMT -6
If Crane had a do-over, he'd sign Lance again. Just to see the glimmer in his eye when he chats up Houston and being an Astro
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 15:10:51 GMT -6
Brown and Diaz are not lighting up ST so far the way I would have hoped.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 15:38:37 GMT -6
Brown and Diaz are not lighting up ST so far the way I would have hoped. I hope fans didn’t immediately buy that Brown is Verlander v2.0 just because of that popular split screen video. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 15:40:01 GMT -6
*IF* his contract ends up being bad, it will depend on his health going forward. For his total salary earned thus far, his performance has been good. We'll see how he does over the next 4 seasons. What other reason do you think we complain about him? I guess there’s also the mental fragility he displays when he gives up home runs and when witnessing errors by his defense, which Altuve has taken him to task for in the past. And yes, if you don’t play then it’s a bad contract. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 15:42:58 GMT -6
If Crane had a do-over, he'd sign Lance again. Just to see the glimmer in his eye when he chats up Houston and being an Astro Look, Lance is a great guy and team ambassador. He’s just made of glass, which is a reason fans have wanted other players to leave on prior occasions. However, his recent history is even more riddled with injuries. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 15:49:48 GMT -6
Brown and Diaz are not lighting up ST so far the way I would have hoped. I hope fans didn’t immediately buy that Brown is Verlander v2.0 just because of that popular split screen video. I would think not, but you never know. No, we're not signing Bauer. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 15:50:44 GMT -6
I hope fans didn’t immediately buy that Brown is Verlander v2.0 just because of that popular split screen video. I would think not, but you never know. No, we're not signing Bauer. What about Bonds? Side note: Dusty wanted a veteran starter. He may have been right. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 15:53:35 GMT -6
*IF* his contract ends up being bad, it will depend on his health going forward. For his total salary earned thus far, his performance has been good. We'll see how he does over the next 4 seasons. What other reason do you think we complain about him? I guess there’s also the mental fragility he displays when he gives up home runs and when witnessing errors by his defense, which Altuve has taken him to task for in the past. And yes, if you don’t play then it’s a bad contract. I don't think anybody is saying he's a perfect pitcher (or ever will be). I'm just saying that since getting the extension, they money he has been paid has been right on par for what he has delivered when you compare the numbers per dollars. It's been a fair contract for both sides so far. Whether or not it will continue to be, will be determined by how he continues to pitch (and stay healthy). |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 15:57:36 GMT -6
I would think not, but you never know. No, we're not signing Bauer. What about Bonds? Side note: Dusty wanted a veteran starter. He may have been right. Because Dusty hates young players. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 17:14:08 GMT -6
What about Bonds? Side note: Dusty wanted a veteran starter. He may have been right. Because Dusty hates young players. I get the need to play the young players. We both agreed on Maldy getting way too much playing time, but I’m not a fan of inserting a young player in place of a star and just assuming it’ll work out. It worked with Peña, but I’m worried that Brown’s control might keep him from being that star everyone’s expecting him to be. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 6, 2023 18:30:56 GMT -6
If Crane had a do-over, he'd sign Lance again. Just to see the glimmer in his eye when he chats up Houston and being an Astro Look, Lance is a great guy and team ambassador. He’s just made of glass, which is a reason fans have wanted other players to leave on prior occasions. However, his recent history is even more riddled with injuries. Despite that, I wouldn't trade his contract for the one the Yankees are stuck with with Gerrit Cole. If you're upset Lance took his $85M deal while Correa rejected his $150M deal, then your problem's with Correa. Not folks who weren't fans of his injury history |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 6, 2023 19:59:28 GMT -6
Look, Lance is a great guy and team ambassador. He’s just made of glass, which is a reason fans have wanted other players to leave on prior occasions. However, his recent history is even more riddled with injuries. Despite that, I wouldn't trade his contract for the one the Yankees are stuck with with Gerrit Cole. If you're upset Lance took his $85M deal while Correa rejected his $150M deal, then your problem's with Correa. Not folks who weren't fans of his injury history My opinion is if Correa was derided for his injuries, which I admit was fair, we should also criticize McCullers. That’s all. I would never fault Lance for taking the deal. I just think his contributions are a bit overstated. If he were the ace, he’d show up and pitch like one, but instead Framber and Javier surpassed him. Comparing him to Cole is difficult because it’s uncertain how much of his dominance was because of Spider Tack. However, I’d rather have him over Lance due to health and consistency. What good is a “deal” if the player doesn’t take the field often? I couldn’t care less where Lance would like to be buried. At least Cole pitches. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 21:20:46 GMT -6
Because Dusty hates young players. I get the need to play the young players. We both agreed on Maldy getting way too much playing time, but I’m not a fan of inserting a young player in place of a star and just assuming it’ll work out. It worked with Peña, but I’m worried that Brown’s control might keep him from being that star everyone’s expecting him to be. Too early to be too concerned just as it is too early to call him JVs replacement. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 6, 2023 21:21:54 GMT -6
Despite that, I wouldn't trade his contract for the one the Yankees are stuck with with Gerrit Cole. If you're upset Lance took his $85M deal while Correa rejected his $150M deal, then your problem's with Correa. Not folks who weren't fans of his injury history My opinion is if Correa was derided for his injuries, which I admit was fair, we should also criticize McCullers. That’s all. I would never fault Lance for taking the deal. I just think his contributions are a bit overstated. If he were the ace, he’d show up and pitch like one, but instead Framber and Javier surpassed him. Comparing him to Cole is difficult because it’s uncertain how much of his dominance was because of Spider Tack. However, I’d rather have him over Lance due to health and consistency. What good is a “deal” if the player doesn’t take the field often? I couldn’t care less where Lance would like to be buried. At least Cole pitches. Lance is not paid like an ace. |
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