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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 7, 2023 23:36:38 GMT -6
I wish there was surprising news on this front. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 7, 2023 23:51:10 GMT -6
I wish there was surprising news on this front. I'm mildly surprised that the gap with Framber is the smaller one. He's a good bit older so I would think he'd be less inclined to give up just a couple of free agent years in an extension. That might work out though. The OF depth in the farm is a lot better than it was 12 months ago now. Meanwhile there is Hunter Brown and a bunch of back-end starters on the farm. Maybe Framber is the more important one to lock up. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 7, 2023 23:54:16 GMT -6
I wish there was surprising news on this front. I'm mildly surprised that the gap with Framber is the smaller one. He's a good bit older so I would think he'd be less inclined to give up just a couple of free agent years in an extension. That might work out though. The OF depth in the farm is a lot better than it was 12 months ago now. Meanwhile there is Hunter Brown and a bunch of back-end starters on the farm. Maybe Framber is the more important one to lock up. I wouldn’t trust the depth just yet. I’d be more comfortable after another draft or two. |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 8, 2023 8:40:34 GMT -6
I wish there was surprising news on this front. I'm mildly surprised that the gap with Framber is the smaller one. He's a good bit older so I would think he'd be less inclined to give up just a couple of free agent years in an extension. That might work out though. The OF depth in the farm is a lot better than it was 12 months ago now. Meanwhile there is Hunter Brown and a bunch of back-end starters on the farm. Maybe Framber is the more important one to lock up. I like Tucker, but I’ve always had a feeling that he would want to test free agency at his first opportunity. The team was wise to load up on outfielders in the last draft. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 8, 2023 11:02:53 GMT -6
I am pretty sure that if we do not make it back to the World Series this year it will be because of starting pitching. Not just because of McCullers, though he is a part of it, I get the sense that the young guys will drop it off a bit.
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 11:38:17 GMT -6
Anyone worried about how injured this team is at this point? You hear mixed things about Brantley, Álvarez, and McCullers. Yordan is essentially Lance plus playing time. Every team is dealing with an issue or two (or more) at this point of ST. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 11:39:55 GMT -6
I'm mildly surprised that the gap with Framber is the smaller one. He's a good bit older so I would think he'd be less inclined to give up just a couple of free agent years in an extension. That might work out though. The OF depth in the farm is a lot better than it was 12 months ago now. Meanwhile there is Hunter Brown and a bunch of back-end starters on the farm. Maybe Framber is the more important one to lock up. I like Tucker, but I’ve always had a feeling that he would want to test free agency at his first opportunity. The team was wise to load up on outfielders in the last draft. Yeah he's never struck me as a guy that would have any reason to stay here for anything less than top dollar. And the more some of these young guys win in the postseason now, the less they're going to care about being with top teams later. They'll have a ring or two. Now they'll want to get paid (and who can blame them). |
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 11:41:56 GMT -6
I am pretty sure that if we do not make it back to the World Series this year it will be because of starting pitching. Not just because of McCullers, though he is a part of it, I get the sense that the young guys will drop it off a bit. I think the bullpen regresses more than the young starters do. |
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Post by koolade2 on Mar 8, 2023 11:58:22 GMT -6
OH My the Sky is falling, the Sky is Falling. Nothing in ST really makes that much of a difference last year proved that.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 8, 2023 13:14:12 GMT -6
Tucker needs to remember that he's got another 2 or 3 years of suiting up for the Astros, and every time he takes the field he risks an injury that could kill any hope for a future long-term extension.
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Post by m240 on Mar 8, 2023 13:14:43 GMT -6
I am pretty sure that if we do not make it back to the World Series this year it will be because of starting pitching. Not just because of McCullers, though he is a part of it, I get the sense that the young guys will drop it off a bit. I think the bullpen regresses more than the young starters do. Here is my concern, Brown has a history of being wild but seemed to find himself when called up last year. No history of him having control so the possibility of losing it this year is higher than I am comfortable with. Urquidy has a history of injury and so does McCullers. Valdez and Javier had great years, there is a chance of regression there as well. And to top it off the best we have down on the farm is Beilak. Now all of these things will not happen except in our worst nightmare. So maybe we will get lucky and Whitley grows a pair. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 13:33:18 GMT -6
Tucker needs to remember that he's got another 2 or 3 years of suiting up for the Astros, and every time he takes the field he risks an injury that could kill any hope for a future long-term extension. Three counting this year unless we trade him. I'm sure that's part of Brown's pitch to him. But, the lure of a 10+ year $300+ million deal is hard to pass up if he isn't getting that type of offer from the Astros yet. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 13:44:18 GMT -6
I think the bullpen regresses more than the young starters do. Here is my concern, Brown has a history of being wild but seemed to find himself when called up last year. No history of him having control so the possibility of losing it this year is higher than I am comfortable with. Urquidy has a history of injury and so does McCullers. Valdez and Javier had great years, there is a chance of regression there as well. And to top it off the best we have down on the farm is Beilak. Now all of these things will not happen except in our worst nightmare. So maybe we will get lucky and Whitley grows a pair. Yeah, those are all concerns, but Urquidy actually didn't have a great year last season and I think he could actually bounce back and do better. The good news, imo, is that Framber, Javier, and Garcia all seem very sturdy and healthy. We don't have a ton of depth after the top-6 starters, I agree, but how many teams do? Most teams in the league right now are happy with 2-3 proven starters. I expect our overall pitching to be down from last year (just because of losing Verlander if nothing else), but I think gets countered by improved offense. At every position, I expect our offense to be at least as good or better. (I think Pena, Tucker, and Bregman have better 2023 seasons, by the way.) Altuve = Altuve Pena = Pena Bregman = Bregman Abreu > Gurriel Brantley/Yordan = Brantley/Yordan Tucker = Tucker Chas = Chas Maldonado/Lee > Maldonado/Castro Hensley > A. Diaz Meyers/Dubon = Meyers/Dubon |
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Post by Saint on Mar 8, 2023 14:06:32 GMT -6
Looking at projections, it's interesting how many of the various sites are predicting some big stat regressions for some of our guys, especially Altuve.
All of them seem to have him dropping from where he was last year: .300/.387/.533
To numbers more like: .275/.345/.470
His BABIP was a fairly consistent .315 last year, and this year with less shifting, I would expect his numbers to be similar to last year's if not better.
None of them seem to think that Yordan is a .400 OBP .600 SLG guy again either.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 8, 2023 14:41:55 GMT -6
Tucker needs to remember that he's got another 2 or 3 years of suiting up for the Astros, and every time he takes the field he risks an injury that could kill any hope for a future long-term extension. I think if Crane wants to keep someone, he will regardless of injuries. Take Lance and Yordan for example. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 8, 2023 14:43:44 GMT -6
I like Tucker, but I’ve always had a feeling that he would want to test free agency at his first opportunity. The team was wise to load up on outfielders in the last draft. Yeah he's never struck me as a guy that would have any reason to stay here for anything less than top dollar. And the more some of these young guys win in the postseason now, the less they're going to care about being with top teams later. They'll have a ring or two. Now they'll want to get paid (and who can blame them). The Braves have won less than the Astros recently and continue to lock players up. If the goal is to be the Braves (Brown’s hiring being an indicator), then deals have got to get done. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 8, 2023 16:35:07 GMT -6
Tucker gone.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 8, 2023 16:37:48 GMT -6
Didn’t he and Anthopoulos ink really long deals for players in Atlanta? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 8, 2023 16:37:51 GMT -6
Yeah he's never struck me as a guy that would have any reason to stay here for anything less than top dollar. And the more some of these young guys win in the postseason now, the less they're going to care about being with top teams later. They'll have a ring or two. Now they'll want to get paid (and who can blame them). The Braves have won less than the Astros recently and continue to lock players up. If the goal is to be the Braves (Brown’s hiring being an indicator), then deals have got to get done. I don't think anyone within the Astros, certainly not Crane himself, has stated or is thinking they want to be the Braves. The more I've read about Brown and the hiring process with him, it seems more and more that it has to do with scouting and drafting. I think Crane is a six-year-max guy and he went and got himself a GM who is great at drafting and is also a six-year-max guy; I think he did the former because of the latter. I think we can all probably forget about any 8-10 year contracts, ever. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 8, 2023 16:39:28 GMT -6
Didn’t he and Anthopoulos ink really long deals for players in Atlanta? That was apparently Anthopolous. Brown said as much straight-out: |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 8, 2023 17:23:23 GMT -6
Tucker needs to remember that he's got another 2 or 3 years of suiting up for the Astros, and every time he takes the field he risks an injury that could kill any hope for a future long-term extension. Damn homosexual, Damn olpapa…. I mean Damn Straight! |
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Post by m240 on Mar 8, 2023 18:30:58 GMT -6
Here is my concern, Brown has a history of being wild but seemed to find himself when called up last year. No history of him having control so the possibility of losing it this year is higher than I am comfortable with. Urquidy has a history of injury and so does McCullers. Valdez and Javier had great years, there is a chance of regression there as well. And to top it off the best we have down on the farm is Beilak. Now all of these things will not happen except in our worst nightmare. So maybe we will get lucky and Whitley grows a pair. Yeah, those are all concerns, but Urquidy actually didn't have a great year last season and I think he could actually bounce back and do better. The good news, imo, is that Framber, Javier, and Garcia all seem very sturdy and healthy. We don't have a ton of depth after the top-6 starters, I agree, but how many teams do? Most teams in the league right now are happy with 2-3 proven starters. I expect our overall pitching to be down from last year (just because of losing Verlander if nothing else), but I think gets countered by improved offense. At every position, I expect our offense to be at least as good or better. (I think Pena, Tucker, and Bregman have better 2023 seasons, by the way.) Altuve = Altuve Pena = Pena Bregman = Bregman Abreu > Gurriel Brantley/Yordan = Brantley/Yordan Tucker = Tucker Chas = Chas Maldonado/Lee > Maldonado/Castro Hensley > A. Diaz Meyers/Dubon = Meyers/Dubon There is no doubt that the Astros will be a WS contender even with a few injuries and some regression. My definition of success has been jaded and now success is defined by WS appearances. |
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Post by koolade2 on Mar 8, 2023 19:55:07 GMT -6
Yeah, those are all concerns, but Urquidy actually didn't have a great year last season and I think he could actually bounce back and do better. The good news, imo, is that Framber, Javier, and Garcia all seem very sturdy and healthy. We don't have a ton of depth after the top-6 starters, I agree, but how many teams do? Most teams in the league right now are happy with 2-3 proven starters. I expect our overall pitching to be down from last year (just because of losing Verlander if nothing else), but I think gets countered by improved offense. At every position, I expect our offense to be at least as good or better. (I think Pena, Tucker, and Bregman have better 2023 seasons, by the way.) Altuve = Altuve Pena = Pena Bregman = Bregman Abreu > Gurriel Brantley/Yordan = Brantley/Yordan Tucker = Tucker Chas = Chas Maldonado/Lee > Maldonado/Castro Hensley > A. Diaz Meyers/Dubon = Meyers/Dubon There is no doubt that the Astros will be a WS contender even with a few injuries and some regression. My definition of success has been jaded and now success is defined by WS appearances. That use to be the Yankee saying. Looks like the Astros took that away. I haven't looked but is this the longest the Yankees have gone without a WS |
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Post by m240 on Mar 8, 2023 22:28:46 GMT -6
There is no doubt that the Astros will be a WS contender even with a few injuries and some regression. My definition of success has been jaded and now success is defined by WS appearances. That use to be the Yankee saying. Looks like the Astros took that away. I haven't looked but is this the longest the Yankees have gone without a WS And aint that grand |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 9, 2023 2:36:12 GMT -6
There is no doubt that the Astros will be a WS contender even with a few injuries and some regression. My definition of success has been jaded and now success is defined by WS appearances. That use to be the Yankee saying. Looks like the Astros took that away. I haven't looked but is this the longest the Yankees have gone without a WS Actually it's not. Longest Yankees WS win droughts: 20 years (1903-1923) 17 years (1979-1995) 14 years (1963-1976) 13 years (2010-present) Something that really jumps out when looking at the history is that so many of their precious rings came 1923 through 1962. Only 7 of their rings have come in the last 60 years with ever-increasing improvements to parity. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 9, 2023 3:55:13 GMT -6
It's possible they put Tucker through the computer and it spit out declining speed and BA once he's on the wrong side of 30
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 9, 2023 6:21:20 GMT -6
It's possible they put Tucker through the computer and it spit out declining speed and BA once he's on the wrong side of 30 The ways the rules keep changing, he will not have to run when he is 30. Everything will be just simulated to appease GTT, Generation Tik Tok. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 9, 2023 8:32:21 GMT -6
It's possible they put Tucker through the computer and it spit out declining speed and BA once he's on the wrong side of 30 The ways the rules keep changing, he will not have to run when he is 30. Everything will be just simulated to appease GTT, Generation Tik Tok. stop talking about Ashitaka like that... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 9, 2023 8:47:16 GMT -6
The ways the rules keep changing, he will not have to run when he is 30. Everything will be just simulated to appease GTT, Generation Tik Tok. stop talking about Ashitaka like that... Are down with BABIP? Yeah you know Ash! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 9, 2023 8:49:48 GMT -6
FYI - I finally switched from android to iPhone , being the 2nd to last one in my extended family. My FIL still has an android, so he is the last. I F’n hate this iPhone.
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