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Post by olpapa on Mar 9, 2023 8:58:25 GMT -6
I continue to be impressed with this Dirden kid. If he does well at AAA, I could see him called up by the end of the season.
Unless something changes drastically in the next couple weeks, I think Lee makes the opening day roster and Y. Diaz starts the season at AAA. The Salazar kid has looked good.
Meyers hasn’t taken the bull by the horns like he wants to take CF away from Chas.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 9:21:43 GMT -6
It's possible they put Tucker through the computer and it spit out declining speed and BA once he's on the wrong side of 30 The ways the rules keep changing, he will not have to run when he is 30. Everything will be just simulated to appease GTT, Generation Tik Tok. MLB is going the way of other sports. The strategic and deliberately-paced mental aspects of the sport are giving way to instant gratification. None of this will make people put away their IG or TikTok loaded phones to see what’s going on in the game. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 9, 2023 10:29:04 GMT -6
FYI - I finally switched from android to iPhone , being the 2nd to last one in my extended family. My FIL still has an android, so he is the last. I F’n hate this iPhone. IPhone sucks. I just got the Galaxy S23 Ultra and it's a BAMF. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 9, 2023 12:00:56 GMT -6
FYI - I finally switched from android to iPhone , being the 2nd to last one in my extended family. My FIL still has an android, so he is the last. I F’n hate this iPhone. IPhone sucks. I just got the Galaxy S23 Ultra and it's a BAMF. apple products are great. I got tired of buying new laptops ever year, being paranoid constantly over hacking, etc, etc, etc. iPhones, IWatches, iPads, iMacs are all superior to the competition. Changing over is not simple but once done you wonder why it took you so long to understand that hitting yourself in the head will always hurt. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 9, 2023 13:36:52 GMT -6
I started as an iPhone user, but changed and have never looked back. My wife still uses Apple, and my work cell phone is an iPhone. They can't hold a candle to the Samsung phones.
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Post by m240 on Mar 9, 2023 15:28:25 GMT -6
I started as an iPhone user, but changed and have never looked back. My wife still uses Apple, and my work cell phone is an iPhone. They can't hold a candle to the Samsung phones. I used to buy nothing but GM products. Then I got tired of having to fix them all the time so I switched to Toyota/Lexus. They never seemed to need fixing. I wished that they were made in America but American business management philosophy did not see the value that reliability held. Every Apple product that I have ever bought still works and I have been buying them since the turn of the century. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 9, 2023 16:01:36 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins.
Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger.
Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker.
Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins?
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Post by Saint on Mar 9, 2023 16:30:46 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins. Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger. Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker. Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins? If I was going to be comfortable giving anybody an 8+ year deal, it would be Tucker. He's a complete player and has been extremely durable even going back to the minors. He's the kind of guy you give a long-term deal to and don't worry about it. Either he'll live up to it, or he won't. The difference is that if he doesn't live up to it, it won't be because there were any red flags missed before the deal. You wouldn't blame someone for giving him a long deal at his age. He's not a Machado or Tatis with potential behavioral, maturity, or attitude issues. He isn't a Correa with lingering health issues. He isn't 30 years old like Judge or Bogaerts. Even a 10-year deal with him right now only puts him at 35-36 years of age, and he's a corner OFer so you're not relying on premium defense from him the last years of the contracts when he starts to decline. Framber is in this category too. Proven to be successful, very sturdy, and at a pretty good age for a longer type deal. (maybe only 6-7 years for him since he's a bit older) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 17:13:58 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins. Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger. Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker. Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins? The difference is Tucker is a homegrown talent who helped us last season into getting a championship. Mullins is an Oriole and most fans here like me couldn’t care less about him. Mullins is also a mediocre defender. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 17:15:28 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins. Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger. Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker. Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins? If I was going to be comfortable giving anybody an 8+ year deal, it would be Tucker. He's a complete player and has been extremely durable even going back to the minors. He's the kind of guy you give a long-term deal to and don't worry about it. Either he'll live up to it, or he won't. The difference is that if he doesn't live up to it, it won't be because there were any red flags missed before the deal. You wouldn't blame someone for giving him a long deal at his age. He's not a Machado or Tatis with potential behavioral, maturity, or attitude issues. He isn't a Correa with lingering health issues. He isn't 30 years old like Judge or Bogaerts. Even a 10-year deal with him right now only puts him at 35-36 years of age, and he's a corner OFer so you're not relying on premium defense from him the last years of the contracts when he starts to decline. Framber is in this category too. Proven to be successful, very sturdy, and at a pretty good age for a longer type deal. (maybe only 6-7 years for him since he's a bit older) ***** |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 9, 2023 18:16:09 GMT -6
Brown has indicated that he would go 7 years to get a deal done with Tucker. He has also indicated that he is averse to signing a deal that would extend beyond a players age 33 season. I haven’t done the research, but someone on the board indicated that a 8-year deal signed now would lock Tucker up through his age 33 season.
Seven years… eight years… if Brown is comfortable signing a player through his age 33 season, and going 8 years will get the deal done, give Tucker 8 years. I wouldn’t do it for every player, but I would for Tucker. The guy isn’t injury prone. He is an excellent all-around player who gives 100%. He is a solid citizen. Lock him up.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 19:26:21 GMT -6
Brown has indicated that he would go 7 years to get a deal done with Tucker. He has also indicated that he is averse to signing a deal that would extend beyond a players age 33 season. I haven’t done the research, but someone on the board indicated that a 8-year deal signed now would lock Tucker up through his age 33 season. Seven years… eight years… if Brown is comfortable signing a player through his age 33 season, and going 8 years will get the deal done, give Tucker 8 years. I wouldn’t do it for every player, but I would for Tucker. The guy isn’t injury prone. He is an excellent all-around player who gives 100%. He is a solid citizen. Lock him up. I think 8 years is more than a fair compromise for a player with his potential. A 10-year deal is a stretch even for me, but I’d be 51% in favor of it. |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 9, 2023 19:36:02 GMT -6
MLBTR is reporting that Yuli has agreed to a minor league deal with Miami.
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 19:38:19 GMT -6
So long, Chinito. It was fun.
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 9, 2023 20:32:52 GMT -6
Usually I'm not so pessimistic, but it feels like Crane's still the one in charge. Brown seemed earnest a few weeks ago when he said he'd convince Crane these guys' extensions were paramount, but now it's like he drank the kool-aid
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 9, 2023 20:58:36 GMT -6
Usually I'm not so pessimistic, but it feels like Crane's still the one in charge. Brown seemed earnest a few weeks ago when he said he'd convince Crane these guys' extensions were paramount, but now it's like he drank the kool-aid The way Brown addressed spending, it became clear why he was Crane’s top candidate. I’m not even sure he was totally honest about the difference in philosophy between himself and Anthopoulos over in Atlanta. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 9, 2023 21:17:19 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins. Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger. Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker. Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins? The difference is Tucker is a homegrown talent who helped us last season into getting a championship. Mullins is an Oriole and most fans here like me couldn’t care less about him. Mullins is also a mediocre defender. So there really is a factor of how much you like someone? Not just how good they are or how well they project to age etc.? Mullins is a mediocre centerfielder according to some metrics (others, like Fangraphs' Defensive rating, has him as an above-average defender the last three years). Put him at a corner like Tucker and you might see those numbers change. I should probably note that I'm not in love with Mullins or thinking I'd rather have him etc. Just pointing out that he and Tucker are both outfielders who provide very similar value. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 9, 2023 21:31:15 GMT -6
I spent some time looking at comparables for Tucker. Two that stood out are Dansby Swanson and Cedric Mullins. Swanson posted 9.8 WAR over the last two years (Tucker 9.3) and plays a much more premium position than Tucker, but "only" got 7 years, $177 million. However Tucker is 3 years younger. Mullins is an even better comparison. He has 9.4 WAR over the last two years, is also an outfielder, and is two years older than Tucker. Based on that, what would you give Tucker? If you think Tucker is a 10-year contract guy, would you give an 8-year contract to Mullins? If I was going to be comfortable giving anybody an 8+ year deal, it would be Tucker. He's a complete player and has been extremely durable even going back to the minors. He's the kind of guy you give a long-term deal to and don't worry about it. Either he'll live up to it, or he won't. The difference is that if he doesn't live up to it, it won't be because there were any red flags missed before the deal. You wouldn't blame someone for giving him a long deal at his age. He's not a Machado or Tatis with potential behavioral, maturity, or attitude issues. He isn't a Correa with lingering health issues. He isn't 30 years old like Judge or Bogaerts. Even a 10-year deal with him right now only puts him at 35-36 years of age, and he's a corner OFer so you're not relying on premium defense from him the last years of the contracts when he starts to decline. Framber is in this category too. Proven to be successful, very sturdy, and at a pretty good age for a longer type deal. (maybe only 6-7 years for him since he's a bit older) I feel like I agree with a lot of this. To be clear, if they announced a 10 year, $250 million extension with him tomorrow, I wouldn't complain. I'd be a little concerned, but also pretty happy. I agree that he's the type of guy you would be on with that length of deal, if anyone. Just pointing out that there's a strong argument to be made for not doing it with him, whether as a general policy or even just because of him specifically (only two good, but not superstar, years, etc.) Framber on the other hand, as a pitcher worries me more with long-term health, plus he's 29 this year so anything more than 5 years would put you past Brown's supposed age 33 cap. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 10, 2023 1:05:41 GMT -6
The difference is Tucker is a homegrown talent who helped us last season into getting a championship. Mullins is an Oriole and most fans here like me couldn’t care less about him. Mullins is also a mediocre defender. So there really is a factor of how much you like someone? Not just how good they are or how well they project to age etc.? Mullins is a mediocre centerfielder according to some metrics (others, like Fangraphs' Defensive rating, has him as an above-average defender the last three years). Put him at a corner like Tucker and you might see those numbers change. I should probably note that I'm not in love with Mullins or thinking I'd rather have him etc. Just pointing out that he and Tucker are both outfielders who provide very similar value. The factor I would use in offering a long term deal is if they’re a potential superstar from our own organization. I wanted them to keep George or Carlos. It would be nice if they kept Altuve and Bregman. I just want this promising core of players to stick together for as long as possible. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 10, 2023 4:02:08 GMT -6
Framber's the rare circumstance I'd give a six-year extension to a pitcher. Despite his age, he's so driven in pursuit of his accomplishments the way he goes about his business, almost like he's still trying to prove something as a result of going undrafted years ago. Plus he's a LHP
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 10, 2023 4:12:02 GMT -6
So there really is a factor of how much you like someone? Not just how good they are or how well they project to age etc.? Mullins is a mediocre centerfielder according to some metrics (others, like Fangraphs' Defensive rating, has him as an above-average defender the last three years). Put him at a corner like Tucker and you might see those numbers change. I should probably note that I'm not in love with Mullins or thinking I'd rather have him etc. Just pointing out that he and Tucker are both outfielders who provide very similar value. The factor I would use in offering a long term deal is if they’re a potential superstar from our own organization. I wanted them to keep George or Carlos. It would be nice if they kept Altuve and Bregman. I just want this promising core of players to stick together for as long as possible. Astros ownership and management and the talent we have there reminds me of the Chicago Bears in the 80s. The McCaskey family held the line on spending so they couldn't keep every free agent, but the drafts and trades Jim Finks engineered when he was GM made them a playoff team for a long time |
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Post by m240 on Mar 10, 2023 8:27:20 GMT -6
The factor I would use in offering a long term deal is if they’re a potential superstar from our own organization. I wanted them to keep George or Carlos. It would be nice if they kept Altuve and Bregman. I just want this promising core of players to stick together for as long as possible. Astros ownership and management and the talent we have there reminds me of the Chicago Bears in the 80s. The McCaskey family held the line on spending so they couldn't keep every free agent, but the drafts and trades Jim Finks engineered when he was GM made them a playoff team for a long time Out of all the guys in the organizational structures of the Astros team in recent years the only guy that I would break the rules of contract length for would be Tucker. He does nothing that is exceptional but he does everything in a way that maximizes the high level of talent that he has. He keeps his mouth shut and lets his play do the talking for him. By all accounts he is excellent in the clubhouse and a student of the game. He is a guy I would want on any team. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 10, 2023 8:58:03 GMT -6
The factor I would use in offering a long term deal is if they’re a potential superstar from our own organization. I wanted them to keep George or Carlos. It would be nice if they kept Altuve and Bregman. I just want this promising core of players to stick together for as long as possible. Astros ownership and management and the talent we have there reminds me of the Chicago Bears in the 80s. The McCaskey family held the line on spending so they couldn't keep every free agent, but the drafts and trades Jim Finks engineered when he was GM made them a playoff team for a long time Think the Astros can do what the Bears came up with? |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 10, 2023 10:42:32 GMT -6
Astros ownership and management and the talent we have there reminds me of the Chicago Bears in the 80s. The McCaskey family held the line on spending so they couldn't keep every free agent, but the drafts and trades Jim Finks engineered when he was GM made them a playoff team for a long time Think the Astros can do what the Bears came up with? Dusty and Ditka are both overrated, that's another similarity. Though folks came to determine that about Ditka a while ago |
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Post by koolade2 on Mar 10, 2023 15:00:54 GMT -6
I started as an iPhone user, but changed and have never looked back. My wife still uses Apple, and my work cell phone is an iPhone. They can't hold a candle to the Samsung phones. I used to buy nothing but GM products. Then I got tired of having to fix them all the time so I switched to Toyota/Lexus. They never seemed to need fixing. I wished that they were made in America but American business management philosophy did not see the value that reliability held. Every Apple product that I have ever bought still works and I have been buying them since the turn of the century. I can say the same thing about every Motorola Phone I have since the early 90's I would still be using OS2 if it wasn't for the fact they quit making apps. Never had to worry about a hacker or Virus. The only reason Apple is alive today is they stole most of their ideas. Plus the fact Microsoft bailed them out so that Microsoft would not be put under AntiTrust laws like IBM was with OS2/Warp |
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Post by m240 on Mar 10, 2023 15:53:43 GMT -6
I used to buy nothing but GM products. Then I got tired of having to fix them all the time so I switched to Toyota/Lexus. They never seemed to need fixing. I wished that they were made in America but American business management philosophy did not see the value that reliability held. Every Apple product that I have ever bought still works and I have been buying them since the turn of the century. I can say the same thing about every Motorola Phone I have since the early 90's I would still be using OS2 if it wasn't for the fact they quit making apps. Never had to worry about a hacker or Virus. The only reason Apple is alive today is they stole most of their ideas. Plus the fact Microsoft bailed them out so that Microsoft would not be put under AntiTrust laws like IBM was with OS2/Warp Microsoft's action to bail out Apple has resulted in Apple being valued higher as a company than Microsoft. Both are overvalued by a long way. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 10, 2023 20:08:47 GMT -6
Brown has indicated that he would go 7 years to get a deal done with Tucker. He has also indicated that he is averse to signing a deal that would extend beyond a players age 33 season. I haven’t done the research, but someone on the board indicated that a 8-year deal signed now would lock Tucker up through his age 33 season. Seven years… eight years… if Brown is comfortable signing a player through his age 33 season, and going 8 years will get the deal done, give Tucker 8 years. I wouldn’t do it for every player, but I would for Tucker. The guy isn’t injury prone. He is an excellent all-around player who gives 100%. He is a solid citizen. Lock him up. I think 8 years is more than a fair compromise for a player with his potential. A 10-year deal is a stretch even for me, but I’d be 51% in favor of it. How can they give him 8-10 years when they just recently refused to give the same to one of the best SS in the game? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 10, 2023 20:18:51 GMT -6
I think 8 years is more than a fair compromise for a player with his potential. A 10-year deal is a stretch even for me, but I’d be 51% in favor of it. How can they give him 8-10 years when they just recently refused to give the same to one of the best SS in the game? Less injury prone so it’s more worthwhile. Hopefully, he isn’t hiding an ankle injury. He’s more worth it than Correa or even Springer, in my opinion. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Mar 10, 2023 21:14:10 GMT -6
In big extension news, 8 year extension for Keibert Ruiz. Just $50 million, could be a huge steal since they'll get three free agent years and he has the upside of an elite catcher who can hit. Two club options after those years to boot.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 11, 2023 8:52:18 GMT -6
In big extension news, 8 year extension for Keibert Ruiz. Just $50 million, could be a huge steal since they'll get three free agent years and he has the upside of an elite catcher who can hit. Two club options after those years to boot. Who? |
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