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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:07:57 GMT -6
3-17 with RISP. Not. Good. We can cry bull pen all we want, not adding on put the Stros in the position they were in. I totally agree but the bullpen should be able to close out 8-3 and 9-8 leads in Cleveland, and a 5-3 lead tonight. Those are two losses denied while the offense scored enough to win. |
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Post by paastrosfan on May 29, 2018 21:09:01 GMT -6
Between Sunday game and tonight it’s 9 hours of baseball and 2 heartbreaking losses. How many hours of heart break watching this team through the decades. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:10:06 GMT -6
Between Sunday game and tonight it’s 9 hours of baseball and 2 heartbreaking losses. It’s cause to worry when it seems commonplace this season to lose these games when surely even by luck they could win many more. |
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Post by paastrosfan on May 29, 2018 21:10:48 GMT -6
It’s not a tough stretch. The whole season so far has been full of wins against bad teams. They had a chance to build on home series win against Cleveland by beating them 3-1 on Sunday. They failed. Could’ve taken the series tonight against the Yankees. They failed. They need to pick things up. The Mariners sure are. The Mariners are barely beating bad teams. They haven't played Boston or New York yet at all. They're not going to last. They even addressed that topic during the game today. I thought by this time the Mariners would have fallen before the Angels. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 29, 2018 21:14:02 GMT -6
Between Sunday game and tonight it’s 9 hours of baseball and 2 heartbreaking losses. i charge both losses to Hinch for those stupid pitching changes..........Devenski should have pitched the 9th Sunday and Rondon should have had it today |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:15:51 GMT -6
Between Sunday game and tonight it’s 9 hours of baseball and 2 heartbreaking losses. i charge both losses to Hinch for those stupid pitching changes..........Devenski should have pitched the 9th Sunday and Rondon should have had it today Yeah, but Hinch would’ve also waited for Rondón to load the bases before taking him out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 29, 2018 21:16:02 GMT -6
FACT: We have no reliable closer...........we need to go get one
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Post by paastrosfan on May 29, 2018 21:16:37 GMT -6
Between Sunday game and tonight it’s 9 hours of baseball and 2 heartbreaking losses. i charge both losses to Hinch for those stupid pitching changes..........Devenski should have pitched the 9th Sunday and Rondon should have had it today If I had Saturday's Lotto numbers I would be a millionaire. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:17:03 GMT -6
FACT: We have no reliable closer...........we need to go get one I can’t get too mad at Hinch because anyone he throws out there to close a game has a rough outing. |
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Post by bannedfan on May 29, 2018 21:18:42 GMT -6
One more thought, Rondon use to be a successful closer. This one’s on AJ. Sorry AJ.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:25:47 GMT -6
One more thought, Rondon use to be a successful closer. This one’s on AJ. Sorry AJ. People have a point against Hinch when relievers have low pitch counts. For me that’s 15 or less. However, name one reliever who hasn’t blown a game rather easily yet. Peacock was nails last year. By my count, he’s given up at least 4 walkoff hits. What’s Hinch supposed to do, pitch for them? |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:30:15 GMT -6
Also, like Saint said, going 3/17 with RISP isn’t getting the job done either despite the crappy relief pitching lately.
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Post by Saint on May 29, 2018 21:30:40 GMT -6
This is there first time really being put in tough situations with less rest than normal against good teams.
For whatever reason we're not running with the hot hand and there doesn't seem to be any type of roles or real planning.
They all just have to manage the storm until they get past Boston. Let's not freak out. There will be time to improve the pen if necessary and they will get back into a good streak.
There is still work to be done by the offense as well.
This team will get there. The Mariners won't last and we should take the division. If we get to the ALDS with a healthy rotation we'll have just a good a chance as we did last year, if not better.
The goal is to take the division and end up healthy. Losing some frustrating games against good teams sucks, but it's only a small hiccup of what should be a more long-term plan.
Hinch needs to work out a plan for the bullpen. We've been coasting on great deep games by the starters, and that wasn't going to last forever.
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Post by blcoach8 on May 29, 2018 21:31:58 GMT -6
We bkew a great chance to win the series......Tomorrow will be tough facing Severino.........Keuchel has another tough matchup
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Post by Saint on May 29, 2018 21:36:27 GMT -6
And on the plus side, Gattis continues to improve to a point that filling the DH spot may not be necessary, and Kemp keeps proving to have value.
Altuve appears to have entered his midseason hot mode, and we scores 5 runs with Correa on the bench.
If they continue to be aggressive on the basepaths, and make the pitchers work, they'll have success. Springer and Correa will come out of their slumps and Bregman/Yuli can still be better.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:37:02 GMT -6
Hinch needs to work out a plan for the bullpen. We've been coasting on great deep games by the starters, and that wasn't going to last forever. That’s the frustrating part. The hardcore starting rotation they have makes it easy on the relievers. They are not overworked, yet they’re performing poorly. Devenski could’ve avoided the walk and maybe the homer (not as bad as the walk). Peacock could’ve avoided the double tonight (0-2 cookie pitch). They’re just not hitting their spots. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:37:41 GMT -6
And on the plus side, Gattis continues to improve to a point that filling the DH spot may not be necessary, and Kemp keeps proving to have value. Altuve appears to have entered his midseason hot mode, and we scores 5 runs with Correa on the bench. If they continue to be aggressive on the basepaths, and make the pitchers work, they'll have success. Springer and Correa will come out of their slumps and Bregman/Yuli can still be better. ***** Those are the definite positives. |
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Post by bearbryant on May 29, 2018 21:42:00 GMT -6
He (Verlander) said today that he wants to play for 10 more years. For the kind of condition he is in he would last ten years in a pen role. |
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Post by Saint on May 29, 2018 21:44:27 GMT -6
And again, important to point out, the odds of that HR by Gardner even being a hit normally were very low. Devo was a victim of Yankee stadium.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:50:09 GMT -6
So far, we can set aside the dream of Peacock being the closer. There’s not much he can do with an unmoving slider.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 21:53:22 GMT -6
And again, important to point out, the odds of that HR by Gardner even being a hit normally were very low. Devo was a victim of Yankee stadium. I really hate that stadium. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 29, 2018 22:03:33 GMT -6
For the kind of condition he is in he would last ten years in a pen role. Mr. Hinch, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new relief pitching system sucks. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 29, 2018 22:05:23 GMT -6
This is General Beringer at NORAD, get me Reid Ryan on the horn Mr. Hinch, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new relief pitching system sucks. Do you think that acquiring a new closer would rectify the current lack of clutch relief? |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 29, 2018 22:07:49 GMT -6
getting a new closer should improve..........it won't take much to be more reliable
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Post by astrosdoug on May 30, 2018 0:06:13 GMT -6
I promise I will not share win probability statistics again. Hopefully this turns things around  |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 30, 2018 0:19:04 GMT -6
I think one reason Hinch is sticking to the "one inning per reliever" standard is that it was perceived the bullpen was worn out by the postseason last year. Over the off season, he and Luhnow may have settled on a policy of "No more than 3 outs per reliever except in special circumstances" in order to avoid that issue recurring. Of course this is total speculation on my part.
However, that policy might not be universally valid. We have all seen in our years of following baseball (or experienced it as players) that some relievers have dynamite stuff, but they can only throw it 15 pitches and they're toast. Meaning, their sinker no longer sinks, their slider no longer slides, etc. Chapman is like that. If he goes more than 20 pitches, you can bet that he will probably surrender at least one run. His game logs prove this; it's not my opinion.
Other pitchers can maintain their velocity and command for 20 pitches, some 25; and some converted starters like McHugh can even go 40 so long as they're rested. The key factor being pitches thrown, not outs recorded.
If you've got a guy who you know stays accurate through 30 pitches, don't pull him after 10! Whatever ground rules Hinch and Luhnow may have decided on in the off season, have to be modified based on the individual abilities in the bullpen on a given day.
Peacock has been the worst Astros reliever by FIP for a while now, and the projections suggest his ERA "ought" to trend towards about 5.00 before levelling off. Unfortunately he cannot be sent to the minors to 'work it out'. However, he can be placed on the DL while Hoyt, Cionel Perez, or Reymin Guduan come up. While those guys might not be aces, they would likely not exceed an ERA of 5.00, so I say give them a try. Perez has the added benefit that he can go multiple innings as he's been used as a starter in the minors.
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Post by astrosdoug on May 30, 2018 0:20:53 GMT -6
FACT: We have no reliable closer...........we need to go get one Send Freudis Nova to Kansas City for Kelvin Herrera. Or a package of AJ Reed + Drew Ferguson. Their choice. I think they'd bite, or propose another similar acceptable offer. |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 30, 2018 0:22:14 GMT -6
One thing I'm not sure of is how Giles would react to the Astros getting a new closer. Would he be willing to work as a setup man? If yes, then keep him. If not, he should probably be included in the trade for the new closer.
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Post by astrosdoug on May 30, 2018 0:26:03 GMT -6
One of the only positives I can see from these losses (and we've had at least 4 heartbreakers now, vs. TEX, MIN, CLE, and now NYY) is that it lights a fire under Hinch's butt to improve the team.
Let's imagine that the Astros had had somewhat better luck in those 4 games and a few warning track shots cleared the fence, or a few Giles sliders actually slid. In that case, Hinch would just stand pat with the current roster until the postseason, when the weaknesses would be exposed.
It's probably better in the long run that the Astros experience some tough losses that highlight the team's weaknesses so they can be addressed in time.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 30, 2018 0:37:03 GMT -6
One thing I'm not sure of is how Giles would react to the Astros getting a new closer. Would he be willing to work as a setup man? If yes, then keep him. If not, he should probably be included in the trade for the new closer. Willing? He’d do what’s he’s told if he worked for me, or he could quit. |
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