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Post by unionstation82 on May 30, 2018 22:35:48 GMT -6
I know the clipboard says "Must keep starter in till pitch count hits 100" but come on, Keuchel flirted with disaster in the 5th and wasn't going to get better. Yeah but bullpen... |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 30, 2018 22:38:51 GMT -6
When? We’ve been waiting all season. All they’ve had is series wins against Cleveland and Seattle. I can't see the future, Sherwin. LOL sorry but point stands. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 1:20:59 GMT -6
These are my final thoughts on this game and this series. I keep hearing about things like bad breaks and tough luck with the Astros in their recent games. Good teams make their own good fortune. We are 57 games into this season. That’s enough of a sample size to know what we’ve got.
1. We’re getting almost nothing from Correa. I don’t know if he’s hurt or something, but they need his old self back.
2. Altuve’s power is down right now. I hope he plays more smallball.
3. Springer is streaky. He’ll be back along with Altuve’s power. Correa looks too lost on offense for me to be comfortable.
4. Marwin and Marisnick need to be benched. Marwin should assume the utility role again while Marisnick...I don’t know...doesn’t need to do anything other than pinch run or play defense in the 9th inning.
5. The bullpen needs help.
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Post by Saint on May 31, 2018 7:01:41 GMT -6
These are my final thoughts on this game and this series. I keep hearing about things like bad breaks and tough luck with the Astros in their recent games. Good teams make their own good fortune. We are 57 games into this season. That’s enough of a sample size to know what we’ve got. 1. We’re getting almost nothing from Correa. I don’t know if he’s hurt or something, but they need his old self back. 2. Altuve’s power is down right now. I hope he plays more smallball. 3. Springer is streaky. He’ll be back along with Altuve’s power. Correa looks too lost on offense for me to be comfortable. 4. Marwin and Marisnick need to be benched. Marwin should assume the utility role again while Marisnick...I don’t know doesn’t need to do anything other than pinch run or play defense in the 9th inning. 5. The bullpen needs help. The good news with all of this is that we're still in first place and we're still the 3rd best team in the league. The Mariners haven't played all the harder teams we've played and we have a much softer schedule in June to to build up some momentum and hopefully more of a lead in the standings. We don't have to be amazing right now. We need to get to the playoffs with a healthy rotation. If we can do that, we'll be in good shape. Home-field advantage throughout would be great, but that's just icing on the cake. I'm not concerned about Springer and Altuve is over the hump. Altuve is on pace for a season somewhere between his 2014 and 2016 seasons as far as production, which would put him in another top-10 MVP season with a 7+ WAR. My concerns are Bregman, Correa, and Gurriel. We need more from all of them, especially power-wise. If we can get Reddick back healthy and Gattis/Stassi continue to hit, we'll be fine. But we need those three guys above to get going better. Gurriel's AVG is okay and Bregman has a good OBP, but we runs driven in better by those guys. If they can't get going by the AS break, we need to look at somebody like Abreu that we can count on. The bullpen can right itself if Hinch goes back to riding the hot hand. I know they're concerned about burning people out again, but we don't need them to pitch a lot in the playoffs anyways if the rotation is healthy. I also think they need to look at Devenski-Rondon 8th-9th approach in normal save situations right now. I think Rondon's head is a little more clear and he was a good closer for the Cubs. I'm not giving up on Giles as the closer but I think he could use a mental rest. |
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Post by marshall on May 31, 2018 7:24:15 GMT -6
Yes. He could not be randomly tested seven times in that span if it were random. It's statistically below the 3rd standard deviation.
ps. This is from someone who generally views these types of complaints as mere belly-aching. But it's a statistical improbability bordering on impossibility.
It's like winning the lottery on a single play.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 8:35:35 GMT -6
The good news with all of this is that we're still in first place and we're still the 3rd best team in the league. The Mariners haven't played all the harder teams we've played and we have a much softer schedule in June to to build up some momentum and hopefully more of a lead in the standings. We don't have to be amazing right now. We need to get to the playoffs with a healthy rotation. If we can do that, we'll be in good shape. Home-field advantage throughout would be great, but that's just icing on the cake. I'm not concerned about Springer and Altuve is over the hump. Altuve is on pace for a season somewhere between his 2014 and 2016 seasons as far as production, which would put him in another top-10 MVP season with a 7+ WAR. My concerns are Bregman, Correa, and Gurriel. We need more from all of them, especially power-wise. If we can get Reddick back healthy and Gattis/Stassi continue to hit, we'll be fine. But we need those three guys above to get going better. Gurriel's AVG is okay and Bregman has a good OBP, but we runs driven in better by those guys. If they can't get going by the AS break, we need to look at somebody like Abreu that we can count on. The bullpen can right itself if Hinch goes back to riding the hot hand. I know they're concerned about burning people out again, but we don't need them to pitch a lot in the playoffs anyways if the rotation is healthy. I also think they need to look at Devenski-Rondon 8th-9th approach in normal save situations right now. I think Rondon's head is a little more clear and he was a good closer for the Cubs. I'm not giving up on Giles as the closer but I think he could use a mental rest. The bright side is Stassi looks more and more legit by the day, and hopefully we hear less and less of Realmuto talk. I did not see Gattis’s resurgence happening, and I must admit he has been a pleasant surprise in recent games. He has legitimately carried the offense in a couple of games so far. The Anaheim and Cleveland games come to mind. Devenski just can’t seem to look right in a non-setup role. I’d be hesitant to believe in a failed closer like Rondón, but it’s worth a try since it’s hard to believe in Giles’s “punch your own face” mental faculties. Bregman is great for his age. He’s in a tough spot. He’s undersized for his position and lacks the range others may have albeit with a good arm and above average fielders choice reads. I am impressed with his eye at the plate, which may be tops on the team, but he still needs work on hitting strikes. The power will come with him so I’m not worried about that aspect of his game. Gurriel is a little long in the tooth and though he hits better than Marwin, they both make me feel like adding another hitter like Abreu wouldn’t be so bad right now. The only problem with Abreu is if his hitting is compromised in any way, he offers you nothing and thus you have a Carlos Lee situation. Of course, this really matters if Luhnow would want to bring him back. Reddick to me is like a version of Marisnick who actually hits baseballs. He’s not a guy an offense needs to rely on as a major hitter. If he does, fantastic. If not, push him down lower in the lineup. The team will be fine, but I think the front office would be better off worrying now than when things get really out of hand. Just because the American League West is nothing to write home about doesn’t mean things are alright on this team at the moment. |
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Post by Saint on May 31, 2018 8:37:53 GMT -6
We need Reddick to at least be above league average offensively. We can't have only one real OFer (Springer).
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 8:39:26 GMT -6
We need Reddick to at least be above league average offensively. We can't have only one real OFer (Springer). He needs to but I don’t expect much more than a 100 OPS+. |
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Post by astrosdoug on May 31, 2018 8:39:37 GMT -6
Gurriel's hand surgery is one that it usually takes 6 to 8 months to fully recover from. I think that is why he is hitting almost exclusively singles this season.
Gurriel hits best against RHP so he needs to platoon with another 1B who hits best vs. LHP. DAvis and White fit that bill. Bottom line, Gurriel should not be starting at 1B every day.
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 8:40:48 GMT -6
Gurriel's hand surgery is one that it usually takes 6 to 8 months to fully recover from. I think that is why he is hitting almost exclusively singles this season. Gurriel hits best against RHP so he needs to platoon with another 1B who hits best vs. LHP. DAvis and White fit that bill. Bottom line, Gurriel should not be starting at 1B every day. If Gurriel and Correa are both not right, then it’s no wonder why this offense is sputtering like a used Geo Metro. |
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 10:47:33 GMT -6
I played enough infield to know the rule. No I know it's the rule, apparently. It just seems backwards. I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. |
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Post by Saint on May 31, 2018 10:52:24 GMT -6
No I know it's the rule, apparently. It just seems backwards. I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. I guess I always go back to a fielder not being able to touch a runner without the ball. I get why it makes sense from the standpoint you're saying, but in a bang bang play why does the runner have to give in to the fielder? What keeps a fielder from posting in the basepath waiting for a ball to get to him? |
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Post by paastrosfan on May 31, 2018 11:41:26 GMT -6
No I know it's the rule, apparently. It just seems backwards. I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. Congrats on your wedding anniversary. Off note the Tigers ripping Mr. Heaney in the second, five zip and the Stros can't touch that guy. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 31, 2018 14:04:44 GMT -6
No I know it's the rule, apparently. It just seems backwards. I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. Happy anniversary |
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 14:07:25 GMT -6
I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. Happy anniversary Thanks. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 31, 2018 14:07:36 GMT -6
I know the clipboard says "Must keep starter in till pitch count hits 100" but come on, Keuchel flirted with disaster in the 5th and wasn't going to get better. Yeah but bullpen... Keuchel has been going downhill since his Cy Young year. I doubt if we plan to re-sign him unless he is willing to take a lot less than Boras will ask. I know I have said this before, but, I would try to trade him to an NL contender for a bat. |
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 14:22:27 GMT -6
I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. I guess I always go back to a fielder not being able to touch a runner without the ball. I get why it makes sense from the standpoint you're saying, but in a bang bang play why does the runner have to give in to the fielder? What keeps a fielder from posting in the basepath waiting for a ball to get to him? Well that’s the thing. Technically, if the rule (as I understand it) is applied correctly, the fielder really can’t post himself in the base path without the ball in his possession, except to field a batted ball. If the fielder does this, and in the judgement of the umpire, impedes the runner, the fielder should be called for obstruction. Here is a good link that covers the issue of obstruction: www.umpirebible.com/index.php/rules-fielding/obstruction |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 31, 2018 14:45:45 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on May 31, 2018 14:45:53 GMT -6
Keuchel has been going downhill since his Cy Young year. I doubt if we plan to re-sign him unless he is willing to take a lot less than Boras will ask. I know I have said this before, but, I would try to trade him to an NL contender for a bat. To me it would have to be a hell of a good bat to part with good pitching depth. Especially when our bullpen is not as strong as we would like it and we might need starters to help again. |
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Post by Saint on May 31, 2018 14:47:51 GMT -6
I guess I always go back to a fielder not being able to touch a runner without the ball. I get why it makes sense from the standpoint you're saying, but in a bang bang play why does the runner have to give in to the fielder? What keeps a fielder from posting in the basepath waiting for a ball to get to him? Well that’s the thing. Technically, if the rule (as I understand it) is applied correctly, the fielder really can’t post himself in the base path without the ball in his possession, except to field a batted ball. If the fielder does this, and in the judgement of the umpire, impedes the runner, the fielder should be called for obstruction. Here is a good link that covers the issue of obstruction: www.umpirebible.com/index.php/rules-fielding/obstructionThanks for the link. Despite the rule, the play yesterday to me was so bang bang that I feel like it wasn't obstruction on either side. It should have just been a hit or an error and move on. There was no intent to impede anybody. |
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 15:30:52 GMT -6
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -6
Well that’s the thing. Technically, if the rule (as I understand it) is applied correctly, the fielder really can’t post himself in the base path without the ball in his possession, except to field a batted ball. If the fielder does this, and in the judgement of the umpire, impedes the runner, the fielder should be called for obstruction. Here is a good link that covers the issue of obstruction: www.umpirebible.com/index.php/rules-fielding/obstructionThanks for the link. Despite the rule, the play yesterday to me was so bang bang that I feel like it wasn't obstruction on either side. It should have just been a hit or an error and move on. There was no intent to impede anybody. I didn’t see the play. I just saw the discussion you and pa had. I have tried to find a replay video of the play online, but haven’t so far. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 15:36:57 GMT -6
Keuchel has been going downhill since his Cy Young year. I doubt if we plan to re-sign him unless he is willing to take a lot less than Boras will ask. I know I have said this before, but, I would try to trade him to an NL contender for a bat. To me it would have to be a hell of a good bat to part with good pitching depth. Especially when our bullpen is not as strong as we would like it and we might need starters to help again. Good point. Hinch likes to throw everything out the window in the postseason and roll with starters as closers. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 15:39:39 GMT -6
They should make it so that the runner has to move in a straight path unless the ball is in the outfield. The aftereffects of the Utley/Tejada and Cousins/Posey incidents ruined hard-nosed baserunning.
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Post by blcoach8 on May 31, 2018 15:42:35 GMT -6
Keuchel has been going downhill since his Cy Young year. I doubt if we plan to re-sign him unless he is willing to take a lot less than Boras will ask. I know I have said this before, but, I would try to trade him to an NL contender for a bat. To me it would have to be a hell of a good bat to part with good pitching depth. Especially when our bullpen is not as strong as we would like it and we might need starters to help again. <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.01999999999998px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41335331" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1630px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25355580" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47951100" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1630px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59170122" scrolling="no"></iframe> Use Keuchel to get the bat we need and a couple of good prospects to get us a Herrera or Britton. This pen will get us beat in the long run. Giles is NO closer and Harris is a disaster. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 31, 2018 15:45:58 GMT -6
To me it would have to be a hell of a good bat to part with good pitching depth. Especially when our bullpen is not as strong as we would like it and we might need starters to help again. <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.01999999999998px; height: 5.159999999999997px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41335331" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1630px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25355580" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47951100" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="34.01999999999998" height="5.159999999999997" style="position: absolute; width: 34.02px; height: 5.16px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1630px; top: 196px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59170122" scrolling="no"></iframe> Use Keuchel to get the bat we need and a couple of good prospects to get us a Herrera or Britton. This pen will get us beat in the long run. Giles is NO closer and Harris is a disaster. You’ve got to think like a GM, though. Why would a team in first place trade away a decent starting pitcher? It’d sound suspicious to me. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 31, 2018 15:57:03 GMT -6
If we didn't nave McHugh, I would not consider trading Keuchel, but, I think we need a good hitter more than we need a pitcher who continues to slide and will be a FA at the end of the season.
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Post by paastrosfan on May 31, 2018 15:58:00 GMT -6
Who is going to give up a good bat in Dallas' walk year. If it is a contender that is desperate for a starter if they give a good prospect, it is not going to help the current situation. If the Stros go for a bat, Jeff is going to have to pony up the best prospects.
Yankees have players in Scranton that are MLB ready, but you think Jeff is going to deal Dallas to NY.
Why subtract from the staff, granted Dallas is not having a prime cut season, but if you are just going by record, its the lack of offensive support.
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Post by olpapa on May 31, 2018 16:06:03 GMT -6
I had to step away from the game after the first couple innings to take the wife out to dinner to celebrate our 49th wedding anniversary. I was just reading this thread and ran across this exchange of posts between you and pa. It has always been my understanding that basically the base path belongs to the fielder if he is attempting to field a BATTED ball. If the fielder is not attempting to make a play on a BATTED ball, the base path belongs to the runner. Think about it. If it were not that way it would be mayhem anytime a ball is hit in such a way that the fielder has to position himself directly in the base path to field the batted ball. Base runners would just plow over a fielder who is attempting to field a ground ball or pop up in order to prevent the batter from making an out. The take out slides we used to see at second base and home plate before the rules were changed would be nothing compared to fielders being taken out to prevent them from fielding batted balls. In those instances the fielder would be at the mercy of the baserunner. Congrats on your wedding anniversary. Off note the Tigers ripping Mr. Heaney in the second, five zip and the Stros can't touch that guy. Thanks pa. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 1, 2018 9:31:00 GMT -6
Who is going to give up a good bat in Dallas' walk year. If it is a contender that is desperate for a starter if they give a good prospect, it is not going to help the current situation. If the Stros go for a bat, Jeff is going to have to pony up the best prospects. Yankees have players in Scranton that are MLB ready, but you think Jeff is going to deal Dallas to NY. Why subtract from the staff, granted Dallas is not having a prime cut season, but if you are just going by record, its the lack of offensive support. ***** Bingo. |
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