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Post by m240 on Aug 27, 2018 8:09:59 GMT -6
Smoak has hit into 10 double plays and Gurriel has hit into 20. I also like Smoak as a left handed DH and 1st baseman See jayfree's post above.......I'll take Gurriel all day long over Smoak Kind of like how you would send White down |
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Post by m240 on Aug 27, 2018 8:17:28 GMT -6
Now let me make myself perfectly clear:
I would like us to add an outfield bat, McCutchen and an infield bat, Smoak. I would like them to do this by using the dl and have everyone we currently have and these two guys available for the playoffs. Think about it, what happens if Springer has another flat tire. What happens if Gurriel gets suspended again for hurting another snowflakes feelings. These guys can be had without giving up anything but minor league depth. So what is the problem having Smoak, having him is better than having to depend on Reed in the playoffs and having McCutchen is better than hoping that Tucker keeps his minor league stroke going next time up.
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 8:40:47 GMT -6
I got in on the tail end of this,but, MLB network is reporting that the Astros and Blujays are close to a deal......I assume for Justin Smoak. We need McCutchen more than we need another 1B
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Post by olpapa on Aug 27, 2018 8:49:32 GMT -6
I got in on the tail end of this,but, MLB network is reporting that the Astros and Blujays are close to a deal......I assume for Justin Smoak. We need McCutchen more than we need another 1B Nothing on mlbtr yet. This must be something really new. Those guys are usually on things pretty quickly. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 9:11:29 GMT -6
All I heard was a guy mantion Astros and Bluejays and use the term "done deal".........that is all.....I JUST ASSUMED Smoak is the target
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 27, 2018 9:12:09 GMT -6
Power Alley is saying that McCullers is going into the pen.
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Post by Saint on Aug 27, 2018 9:13:15 GMT -6
Power Alley is saying that McCullers is going into the pen. Good. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Aug 27, 2018 10:40:58 GMT -6
Have looked every where only thing I can find is that Josh Donaldson has reportedly according to sources has had his locker cleared out.
Same report says he has to play in atleast 1 game to show he is in game shape before being put on waivers.
There is nothing else on the Blue Jays
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 11:06:36 GMT -6
Power Alley is saying that McCullers is going into the pen. That is where he needs to be right now. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 27, 2018 11:13:13 GMT -6
Smoak-
-2 outs w runners in scoring position = .237 avg -late and close = .182 avg -Tie game = .181 avg -Innings 7-9 = .215 avg
-vs power pitchers = .208 avg -2ith 2 outs = .133 avg
He actually does almost all of his damage in the 3rd -5th innings. We have enough players on our team who can do that. What we need are guys who can lay off a tough pitch in the clutch and drive guys in when it matters most. Smoak doesn't seem to possess that gene.
Also an issue with small sample size is that too much weight is given to too few situations examples Smoak - runners in scoring position 947 runeers on 1st and third 1.222 wearing white socks 867 No more white socks!!! |
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Post by Saint on Aug 27, 2018 11:57:20 GMT -6
Also an issue with small sample size is that too much weight is given to too few situations examples Smoak - runners in scoring position 947 runeers on 1st and third 1.222 wearing white socks 867 No more white socks!!! Why not? An .867 OPS is pretty good. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 27, 2018 13:22:15 GMT -6
I’d rather have Donaldson than the old draft bust Smoak.
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Post by thomasj13 on Aug 27, 2018 13:40:35 GMT -6
Why not? An .867 OPS is pretty good. because white socks are only .867 compared to the numbers, it is has to be the socks. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Aug 27, 2018 13:41:12 GMT -6
With Donaldson it will be very close on waivers it would be who ever claimed him
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 14:17:21 GMT -6
Why not? An .867 OPS is pretty good. because white socks are only .867 compared to the numbers, it is has to be the socks. l wonder if WAR and OPS would be higher if they wore white socks. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 27, 2018 14:28:23 GMT -6
Why not? An .867 OPS is pretty good. because white socks are only .867 compared to the numbers, it is has to be the socks. But his overall OPS is only .813. White socks would indicate an improvement! |
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Post by marshall on Aug 27, 2018 14:41:24 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 14:42:30 GMT -6
Also an issue with small sample size is that too much weight is given to too few situations examples Smoak - runners in scoring position 947 runeers on 1st and third 1.222 wearing white socks 867 No more white socks!!! I prefer players that can hit in clutch situation and not lock up. Going deep in the playoffs, hitters are matched up against power pitchers that can go the distance if needed (or even turn it over to a strong bullpen). You need a hitter that strikes fear in a pitcher to throw to them at times and not a hitter who just strikes out.
A clutch hitter puts doubt in a pitchers mind on throwing their stuff sometimes. We did that all of last year and that is how this team should continue to build their roster. We don't need an OPS guy, I want a guy who can get on base and turn the lineup over when it counts.
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Post by Saint on Aug 27, 2018 14:45:45 GMT -6
I prefer players that can hit in clutch situation and not lock up. Going deep in the playoffs, hitters are matched up against power pitchers that can go the distance if needed (or even turn it over to a strong bullpen). You need a hitter that strikes fear in a pitcher to throw to them at times and not a hitter who just strikes out.
A clutch hitter puts doubt in a pitchers mind on throwing their stuff sometimes. We did that all of last year and that is how this team should continue to build their roster. We don't need an OPS guy, I want a guy who can get on base and turn the lineup over when it counts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 14:50:03 GMT -6
I prefer players that can hit in clutch situation and not lock up. Going deep in the playoffs, hitters are matched up against power pitchers that can go the distance if needed (or even turn it over to a strong bullpen). You need a hitter that strikes fear in a pitcher to throw to them at times and not a hitter who just strikes out.
A clutch hitter puts doubt in a pitchers mind on throwing their stuff sometimes. We did that all of last year and that is how this team should continue to build their roster. We don't need an OPS guy, I want a guy who can get on base and turn the lineup over when it counts.
So who are you suggesting? I'm just going over the debate of who people would rather have at 1B. Smoak or Yuli. I prefer Yuli. I guarantee opposing pitchers will be more cautious with him than with Smoak. |
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Post by Saint on Aug 27, 2018 15:02:39 GMT -6
So who are you suggesting? I'm just going over the debate of who people would rather have at 1B. Smoak or Yuli. I prefer Yuli. I guarantee opposing pitchers will be more cautious with him than with Smoak. I'd take White over either right now. But I agree that we don't need another 1B unless it was a mindblowing one. |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 27, 2018 15:26:48 GMT -6
With Donaldson it will be very close on waivers it would be who ever claimed him ...and if he goes unclaimed? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 15:28:49 GMT -6
So who are you suggesting? I'm just going over the debate of who people would rather have at 1B. Smoak or Yuli. I prefer Yuli. I guarantee opposing pitchers will be more cautious with him than with Smoak. I will take Yuli over Smoak all day.........Smoak strikes out at a much higher rate..........Yuli hits with RiSP. All I would do with Smoak is DH him against right-handers. But, I can't see the need for Smoak over the need for an OF. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 15:29:51 GMT -6
I'm just going over the debate of who people would rather have at 1B. Smoak or Yuli. I prefer Yuli. I guarantee opposing pitchers will be more cautious with him than with Smoak. I'd take White over either right now. But I agree that we don't need another 1B unless it was a mindblowing one. You would take White over a healthy Jeff Bagwell.  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Aug 27, 2018 15:31:51 GMT -6
I'm just going over the debate of who people would rather have at 1B. Smoak or Yuli. I prefer Yuli. I guarantee opposing pitchers will be more cautious with him than with Smoak. I'd take White over either right now. But I agree that we don't need another 1B unless it was a mindblowing one. Should've got Votto when we had the chance |
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Post by m240 on Aug 27, 2018 15:37:20 GMT -6
Why not? An .867 OPS is pretty good. because white socks are only .867 compared to the numbers, it is has to be the socks. of course it is the socks |
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Post by blcoach8 on Aug 27, 2018 15:53:19 GMT -6
I'd take White over either right now. But I agree that we don't need another 1B unless it was a mindblowing one. Should've got Votto when we had the chance When did we have a good chance of getting Votto? Hasn't he vetoed trades because he wants to stay with the Reds? |
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Post by olpapa on Aug 27, 2018 15:56:12 GMT -6
Have looked every where only thing I can find is that Josh Donaldson has reportedly according to sources has had his locker cleared out. Same report says he has to play in atleast 1 game to show he is in game shape before being put on waivers. There is nothing else on the Blue Jays Here is the latest from MLBTR on Donaldson (posted today): “Aug. 27: Donaldson will set out on a rehab assignment tomorrow, tweets Nightengale. The Jays could pass him through waivers within 48 hours and have time to trade him before Friday’s deadline for postseason eligibility. Nonetheless, it seems like a long shot that a club would be convinced of Donaldson’s health to the point it’d surrender enough prospect value to outweigh the value Toronto could receive from issuing a qualifying offer at season’s end. But, if the Blue Jays themselves consider Donaldson too great a risk to receive a QO, then they every reason to shop him aggressively in the limited window with which they’ll be presented.” Considering the limited time teams will have to watch Donaldson in action before the waiver deadline, and considering the fact that he will be a FA at the end of this season, I’m thinking that any trade the Astros might make for Donaldson would be for a player or players to be named later. The teams could agree that the pool from which Toronto would select their player(s) to be named later would be contingent on whether or not..and when.. Donaldson is able to return to action and on how well he is able to perform once he returns. If Donaldson is unable to return at full strength Toronto would get to choose a player from a group of minor league scrubs. If Donaldson is able to return at full strength in early September and finish the season at full strength, the pool from which Toronto would get to choose the player(s) to be named later would be a group of minor league players who are better than scrub level, but not so much better that they would fall within the Astros’ top 20 prospects. That is the only kind of deal I could see Luhnow making for Donaldson at this po8nt. |
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Post by m240 on Aug 27, 2018 16:02:04 GMT -6
Perhaps I should attempt to reframe this discussion to better illustrate what I see as a hole in our line up and a potential weakness. When we go to the World Series we will have 14 hitters on our 25 man roster. Currently we have only 13 guys for whom anyone can make a reasonable argument for keeping on a World Series roster. They are:
Altuve
Bregman
White
Correa
Kemp
Gattis
Springer
Gonzales
Gurriel
Reddick
Maldonado
Stassi
Marisnick
Now of those 13 guys there are some that have run hot and cold this year, Springer, Gattis, Gonzales, Kemp, and Correa. So let's just say it is the bottom of the ninth behing by a run and two outs who do you send up there Mr No Name #14 or perhaps Mr Room temperature Gattis, or if there is a runner on first and one out Mr Gurriel. Perhaps we should send Mr Reddick up there, after all he is famous for hitting (not) in the post season. What if someone gets hurt.
My point that seems to keep getting misrepresented as a binary choice between Gurriel and Smoak is that it would be nice to have choices that give us a chance. It really does not make sense not to when the cost is minor league depth. Really why not two. Why not two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 16:15:02 GMT -6
Perhaps I should attempt to reframe this discussion to better illustrate what I see as a hole in our line up and a potential weakness. When we go to the World Series we will have 14 hitters on our 25 man roster. Currently we have only 13 guys for whom anyone can make a reasonable argument for keeping on a World Series roster. They are: Altuve Bregman White Correa Kemp Gattis Springer Gonzales Gurriel Reddick Maldonado Stassi Marisnick Now of those 13 guys there are some that have run hot and cold this year, Springer, Gattis, Gonzales, Kemp, and Correa. So let's just say it is the bottom of the ninth behing by a run and two outs who do you send up there Mr No Name #14 or perhaps Mr Room temperature Gattis, or if there is a runner on first and one out Mr Gurriel. Perhaps we should send Mr Reddick up there, after all he is famous for hitting (not) in the post season. What if someone gets hurt. My point that seems to keep getting misrepresented as a binary choice between Gurriel and Smoak is that it would be nice to have choices that give us a chance. It really does not make sense not to when the cost is minor league depth. Really why not two. Why not two. Smoak postseason stats: 11 games, only 10 ABs and ZERO hits. .000 avg, .000 OB%, .000 Slug, .000 OPS, 4 Ks
Small sample size but why was he never starting a game in 2015 and 2016 in the playoffs, and in 10 ABs over 11 games at least get on base once. This to me shows he was put into the game in late situation primarily as a PH and couldn't get the job done.
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