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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:05:10 GMT -6
I am probably one of the few here that thinks we need a more consistent Big Bat that is comparative to Correa or Springer. Springer and Correa both came up with a chance to put the Astros on the board on more than one occasion. Isn't that their Job. It all boils down to two questions: 1. Is Gurriel or Gattis that “big bat”? 2. Can Tucker be that guy? If both answers are no, they need to add resources to compete with the Yanks and Sawx. If the Padres’ relievers are as good as advertised (I’m wary of Petco skewing their numbers), then maybe a couple of those guys would be better than acquiring just Hand. It’s time for the Astros to wean themselves off pitchers like Harris and Giles. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 23, 2018 15:22:21 GMT -6
Giles needs to go and Harris needs a less stressful role as a mop-up.
As far as a bat I don't trust Gattis to be that consistently, he has shown to not be that more often than be that. Gurriel is a DP waiting to happen almost everytime a man on first and less than two outs.
I would bring up Tucker as soon as possible to see if he can fill that role before it's too late and they depend on him after the trade dead line.
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Post by Saint on Jun 23, 2018 15:25:23 GMT -6
I am probably one of the few here that thinks we need a more consistent Big Bat that is comparative to Correa or Springer. Springer and Correa both came up with a chance to put the Astros on the board on more than one occasion. Isn't that their Job. It all boils down to two questions: 1. Are Gurriel or Gattis that “big bat”? 2. Can Tucker be that guy? If both answers are no, they need to add resources to compete with the Yanks and Sawx. If the Padres’ relievers are as good as advertised (I’m wary of Petco skewing their numbers), then maybe a couple of those guys would be better than acquiring just Hand. It’s time for the Astros to wean themselves off pitchers like Harris and Giles. We can manage having Gurriel, Gattis, and another bat, imo. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 23, 2018 15:27:02 GMT -6
I think we need to upgrade the pen....
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:40:03 GMT -6
It all boils down to two questions: 1. Are Gurriel or Gattis that “big bat”? 2. Can Tucker be that guy? If both answers are no, they need to add resources to compete with the Yanks and Sawx. If the Padres’ relievers are as good as advertised (I’m wary of Petco skewing their numbers), then maybe a couple of those guys would be better than acquiring just Hand. It’s time for the Astros to wean themselves off pitchers like Harris and Giles. We can manage having Gurriel, Gattis, and another bat, imo. Whom? Keep in mind that Abreu would be another Carlos Lee. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2018 15:40:53 GMT -6
I think we need to upgrade the pen.... I prioritize an everyday player upgrade over reliever to be honest. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 23, 2018 15:43:49 GMT -6
I think we need to upgrade the pen.... I prioritize an everyday player upgrade over reliever to be honest. Yes, relief has cost a couple games late but the Offense this year has cost the Astros more games than has Pitching. Just look at Marshall thread how many games have they won when less than 4 /3 runs a game. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 24, 2018 12:38:08 GMT -6
I see where the Rangers put Beltre on the block.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 24, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 14:03:39 GMT -6
Giles needs to go and Harris needs a less stressful role as a mop-up. As far as a bat I don't trust Gattis to be that consistently, he has shown to not be that more often than be that. Gurriel is a DP waiting to happen almost everytime a man on first and less than two outs. I would bring up Tucker as soon as possible to see if he can fill that role before it's too late and they depend on him after the trade dead line. Unfortunately, I think Gattis' June spike has stopped the organization from looking elsewhere for a DH right now.
Kemp doing well in the OF along with Marwin hitting 2nd best in the league in June has also halted that talk of bringing anyone else up.
It's obvious Davis and White will continue to get the opportunities ahead of Tucker right now (and rightfully so)
Baring an injury, we won't see Tucker until later in the season at best
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 24, 2018 15:40:03 GMT -6
I cammot see why White impresses anyone......Send him down and brint up Tucker.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 25, 2018 14:29:00 GMT -6
Buster Olney from ESPN is out on twitter speculating the Astros might be a landing spot for Roberto Osuna, who will be eligible to play again come the first week of August.
I really don't think it is likely Luhnow will go after a player with Osuna's personal history, though he has certainly been one of the top relievers for well over a year now, so he will stick somewhere in MLB.
Osuna's plea is not guilty and while I'm sure MLB must have concluded he really did do the crime before they suspended him, I have to wonder:
If the court finds Osuna not guilty, can Osuna recoup his lost $2.5 million in wages for a crime the court says he didn't commit?
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 25, 2018 14:46:10 GMT -6
mlb.com saying today that relievers Amir Garrett and Jared Hughes from the Reds might be on the trading block. I had assumed the Reds would hold on to those guys for their next run at the division title, but maybe not apparently. Both are a bit overused this season so would need to have their innings limited on the Astros.
I especially like Garrett, the lefty. He'd be a long-term replacement for Sipp as he'd be under contract for the next five seasons.
Even though Garrett is a lefty, he's actually better at pitching to RHB.
Treinen has 2.5 years left on his contract and could be a good option too.
Xavier Cedeno, who was on the 2011 and 2012 Astros, is now with the White Sox but pitching well after coming off the DL. Maybe time for a reunion?
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Post by marshall on Jun 25, 2018 15:01:24 GMT -6
Buster Olney from ESPN is out on twitter speculating the Astros might be a landing spot for Roberto Osuna, who will be eligible to play again come the first week of August. I really don't think it is likely Luhnow will go after a player with Osuna's personal history, though he has certainly been one of the top relievers for well over a year now, so he will stick somewhere in MLB. Osuna's plea is not guilty and while I'm sure MLB must have concluded he really did do the crime before they suspended him, I have to wonder: If the court finds Osuna not guilty, can Osuna recoup his lost $2.5 million in wages for a crime the court says he didn't commit? MLB has no tie to the court system. They can do just about anything they want to do do as long as it's not illegal. They even ban player for Gamblng and Drug offenses, some of which are which are legal. So he has no basis for recovery. That being said, frivolous lawsuits with no merit are filed every day. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 25, 2018 17:07:59 GMT -6
I'd prefer we stay clear of Osuna for obvious reasons.........we don't need a guy with this baggage.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 25, 2018 17:31:57 GMT -6
I'd prefer we stay clear of Osuna for obvious reasons.........we don't need a guy with this baggage. Correct, but we do currently have a co-closer who hits people in the face, albeit it is his own face. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 25, 2018 17:43:02 GMT -6
I'd prefer we stay clear of Osuna for obvious reasons.........we don't need a guy with this baggage. Correct, but we do currently have a co-closer who hits people in the face, albeit it is his own face.  As far as Osuna the pitcher goes, I would be for it. I don't want Osuna the person. However, I'd gladly trade the squatting nut job for him. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 25, 2018 20:02:50 GMT -6
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Post by marshall on Jun 26, 2018 2:00:28 GMT -6
Granderson looks like a good candidate for a gap filler. He has produced in left field, hits well at Minute Maid and is on a one year deal. But if their ready to bring Tucker up, he'd be redundant. However; he'd be a better option than Marisnick to start in the outfield and can back up Gattis at DH.
Yesterday's eye test looked very good.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 26, 2018 2:56:15 GMT -6
Granderson looks like a good candidate for a gap filler. He has produced in left field, hits well at Minute Maid and is on a one year deal. But if their ready to bring Tucker up, he'd be redundant. However; he'd be a better option than Marisnick to start in the outfield and can back up Gattis at DH.
Yesterday's eye test looked very good.
Granderson is a man of few words; he doesn't talk much at job interviews... he just talks with his bat. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 26, 2018 7:42:28 GMT -6
Granderson looks like a good candidate for a gap filler. He has produced in left field, hits well at Minute Maid and is on a one year deal. But if their ready to bring Tucker up, he'd be redundant. However; he'd be a better option than Marisnick to start in the outfield and can back up Gattis at DH.
Yesterday's eye test looked very good.
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Post by marshall on Jun 26, 2018 7:48:39 GMT -6
Granderson looks like a good candidate for a gap filler. He has produced in left field, hits well at Minute Maid and is on a one year deal. But if their ready to bring Tucker up, he'd be redundant. However; he'd be a better option than Marisnick to start in the outfield and can back up Gattis at DH.
Yesterday's eye test looked very good.
If he goes 0-for today, will that change your mind? Not right away. I give struggling batters about two weeks with no history and a month if their history indicates the struggle is an aberration. I looked up his history and he's been a 116 OPS+ for his career and only struggled with the Dodgers at the tail end of last season which is why he's on a 1 year $5M deal instead of 13M+. But even last year his OPS+ was 115 when you include his time with the Mets. He is currently at 131 OPS+ and has not shown the anticipated decline yet. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 26, 2018 9:12:01 GMT -6
The more we move along, the more I think we need to bring up Tucker for the OF and send Jake down rather than trade for an OFer.
Trade for Abreu and a reliever. Demote White and release Harris.
Abreu, Gattis, Gurriel, Tucker, Marwin share time (until somebody gets hurt). If everybody stays healthy we have incredible depth.
Ideal lineup:
Altuve 2B
Bregman 3B, SS
Abreu 1B, DH
Correa SS
Springer CF
Reddick RF
Gurriel DH, 1B, 3B
Tucker LF
Stassi C
Gattis C, DH, 1B
Kemp OF, 2B
McCann C
Marwin Anything but C
Verlander
Cole
Keuchel
Morton
McCullers
Rondon
Smith
Giles
Devo
Sipp
Peacock
McHugh
Trade (extra. Rotate all starting pitchers thru 10-day DL for a rest until somebody gets legit hurt)
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 27, 2018 11:44:39 GMT -6
I have to think Danny Valencia (now with the Orioles, contract up at the end of this year) gets some trade interest. He's having a great year (127 OPS+) and hitting both lefties and righties with nearly a .290 BA.
Mostly he plays 3B but he's started some games in RF this year. I would trust him more than Marwin as a utility infielder who can do spot starts in the OF.
Maybe the O's get Marwin and a prospect or two, and the Astros get Valencia in return.
Valencia would also be good insurance against a Gattis decline.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 11:54:16 GMT -6
I've been pretty quiet on this thread, but I am still hoping that Luhnow lands Hand from SD. (for a reasonable price)
Just for the fact of having a reliable closer come Oct. I don't think my ticker can stand another playoff run with Giles in the cockpit.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 27, 2018 11:57:35 GMT -6
By the numbers, the Astros have the #1 bullpen by ERA, FIP, xFIP... but it can still be improved, especially in the "Clutch" category.
If you just start counting from the playoffs last year, Giles' numbers from then till now are awful. Maybe he snaps out of it, but I think it's too big a risk to take. If there is a team that will take him in trade for a superior closer, could be a good deal.
Kind of like a Valencia-for-Marwin deal. The team would be upgrading by trading one current MLBer for another and throwing in prospects to give the trading partner parity.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 27, 2018 15:14:15 GMT -6
I've been pretty quiet on this thread, but I am still hoping that Luhnow lands Hand from SD. (for a reasonable price) Just for the fact of having a reliable closer come Oct. I don't think my ticker can stand another playoff run with Giles in the cockpit. As an Astros fan, it didn’t matter how old you were last season because that bullpen was Russian Roulette and could give anyone a cardiac arrest. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 2:54:17 GMT -6
I just saw the Red Sox traded for Steve Pearce from the Blue Jays.
Not a bad hitter and looks like it didn't cost Boston much.... shows deals can get done before July 31st.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 29, 2018 8:18:05 GMT -6
I saw a chryon somewhere that Dallas is planning to have traded Cole Hamels before the ASG
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Post by olpapa on Jun 29, 2018 9:20:17 GMT -6
I have to think Danny Valencia (now with the Orioles, contract up at the end of this year) gets some trade interest. He's having a great year (127 OPS+) and hitting both lefties and righties with nearly a .290 BA. Mostly he plays 3B but he's started some games in RF this year. I would trust him more than Marwin as a utility infielder who can do spot starts in the OF. Maybe the O's get Marwin and a prospect or two, and the Astros get Valencia in return. Valencia would also be good insurance against a Gattis decline. Valencia has a reputation for being a bad clubhouse guy. Don’t see Luhnow adding him though he might come in handy for the team should there be a bench clearing brawl: www.athleticsnation.com/2016/8/22/12594428/new-details-on-fight-between-danny-valencia-and-billy-butler-make-everyone-look-wrong |
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As far as Osuna the pitcher goes, I would be for it. I don't want Osuna the person. However, I'd gladly trade the squatting nut job for him. 
