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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2018 9:39:41 GMT -6
I have to think Danny Valencia (now with the Orioles, contract up at the end of this year) gets some trade interest. He's having a great year (127 OPS+) and hitting both lefties and righties with nearly a .290 BA. Mostly he plays 3B but he's started some games in RF this year. I would trust him more than Marwin as a utility infielder who can do spot starts in the OF. Maybe the O's get Marwin and a prospect or two, and the Astros get Valencia in return. Valencia would also be good insurance against a Gattis decline. Valencia has a reputation for being a bad clubhouse guy. Don’t see Luhnow adding him though he might come in handy for the team should there be a bench clearing brawl: www.athleticsnation.com/2016/8/22/12594428/new-details-on-fight-between-danny-valencia-and-billy-butler-make-everyone-look-wrongLMAO on so many levels. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2018 9:47:31 GMT -6
I’m on Team Valencia in regards to his fight with Butler. What a little ass.
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2018 13:23:23 GMT -6
Adam Ottavino is looking like a reliever who could be a nice fit and not too crazy on prospects. He's having a remarkable season.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 13:29:01 GMT -6
First time I'd heard of the Valencia fight. At the time (summer 2016), Valencia was widely regarded as the top hitter on his team (OPS in the .820s) and he's having another good offensive year in 2018.
It was easy to cut Gomez because besides being a jerk to his teammates, he also wasn't producing much for the team. It's got to be harder to cut your top offensive weapon.
On the Astros, Valencia's OPS+ in the 120s would not make him top dog, but it would make him among the better hitters (if he could keep it up).
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 29, 2018 13:29:36 GMT -6
Adam Ottavino is looking like a reliever who could be a nice fit and not too crazy on prospects. He's having a remarkable season. Agreed but he’s the only non-letdown for that whole bullpen. How much will he cost? I like him a lot more than Britton, to be honest. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 13:32:53 GMT -6
from www.sfchronicle.com/athletics/article/A-s-clubhouse-fight-Danny-Valencia-Billy-9177957.php?t=df20cf2eca3d4cb4da&cmpid=twitter-premium"Valencia told the representative that he only uses the non-issue spikes during pregame workouts. According to multiple sources, Butler, who has an equipment endorsement with a different company, jumped in to tell the equipment rep that Valencia was lying and regularly uses the non-standard spikes. Butler allegedly told the representative that the company should drop Valencia’s endorsement deal.
Endorsement deals are typically worth between $10,000 and $20,000, sometimes more.
After the rep departed, the players said, Valencia confronted Butler and told him, “Don’t you ever loud-talk me in front of a rep. That was wrong,” and walked aggressively toward Butler. Butler turned around, took a couple steps toward Valencia, and according to both witnesses, said, “I can say whatever I want and your bitch ass isn’t going to do anything about it.”
One player said that the men leaned in, bumped heads and then started pushing each other, then Valencia started swinging and hit Butler in the temple. After the players broke things up, Butler told the players he was OK." |
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Post by Saint on Jun 29, 2018 13:33:05 GMT -6
Adam Ottavino is looking like a reliever who could be a nice fit and not too crazy on prospects. He's having a remarkable season. Agreed but he’s the only non-letdown for that whole bullpen. How much will he cost? I like him a lot more than Britton, to be honest. No idea. Two close to ready solid prospects? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 29, 2018 13:43:37 GMT -6
Ottavino started turning heads the first few weeks of the season. It looks like he's the real deal this year.
The 14 strikeouts per 9 innings pace is impressive. Even looking beyond his ERA, everything he's doing (generating swings and misses, avoiding walks, keeping efficient pitch counts, getting ahead of hitters) points to sustained success.
His contract is up at the end of this year so it's not like the Astros have to be concerned with how he pitches in 2019 and beyond.
The Rockies are especially weak at 1B and LF. Some prospects I'd dangle for him include: Drew Ferguson, AJ Reed, Gilberto Celestino.
As much as I would hate to see Tyler White leave the organization, he'd be perfect for the Rockies... probably would put up 30 HRs with high OBP if he plays regularly there.
If Luhnow has lost faith in Giles, maybe Giles goes to the Rockies as part of the trade along with some salary support.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 29, 2018 13:56:34 GMT -6
Adam Ottavino is looking like a reliever who could be a nice fit and not too crazy on prospects. He's having a remarkable season. Agreed but he’s the only non-letdown for that whole bullpen. How much will he cost? I like him a lot more than Britton, to be honest. I would take Jake McGee with cash considerations for a blocked prospect.....He would be a good buy low candidate. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 29, 2018 15:27:22 GMT -6
Agreed but he’s the only non-letdown for that whole bullpen. How much will he cost? I like him a lot more than Britton, to be honest. I would take Jake McGee with cash considerations for a blocked prospect.....He would be a good buy low candidate. McGee would be good, and, I hope they see what getting Brad Hand would cost us. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2018 10:52:30 GMT -6
Something I remember from what Jeff Luhnow has said before, regarding trading or signings, he has learned that is better to wait, to see what comes available, then make a move too early...so Luhnow might make some late trade deadline deals or possibly through waivers....
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 10:55:27 GMT -6
Something I remember from what Jeff Luhnow has said before, regarding trading or signings, he has learned that is better to wait, to see what comes available, then make a move too early...so Luhnow might make some late trade deadline deals or possibly through waivers.... You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2018 10:55:40 GMT -6
I still want to see what the asking price on these hitters would be Jose Abreu, Avisail Garcia or Nick Castellanos.....you have formidable bat to this lineup and the team just becomes even more deadlier....plus if they pick right one, they can also team moral....like Beltran (good mentor, albeit his own production was not good) or even better Verlander (good clubhouse guy and produced)
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2018 10:56:32 GMT -6
Something I remember from what Jeff Luhnow has said before, regarding trading or signings, he has learned that is better to wait, to see what comes available, then make a move too early...so Luhnow might make some late trade deadline deals or possibly through waivers.... You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. I think so too....They have enough in the minors that if Luhnow sees a true difference maker, he will make the move...I fully trust Luhnow... |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 10:57:58 GMT -6
Something I remember from what Jeff Luhnow has said before, regarding trading or signings, he has learned that is better to wait, to see what comes available, then make a move too early...so Luhnow might make some late trade deadline deals or possibly through waivers.... You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. I just hope he doesn't pull another deal like he did at the deadline last year when we needed bullpen help and he brought in Liriano and Clippard.........both were awful. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2018 11:00:15 GMT -6
You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. I just hope he doesn't pull another deal like he did at the deadline last year when we needed bullpen help and he brought in Liriano and Clippard.........both were awful. I wasn't high on Clippard, but liked the Liriano move, it just didn't pan out. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 11:29:11 GMT -6
I just hope he doesn't pull another deal like he did at the deadline last year when we needed bullpen help and he brought in Liriano and Clippard.........both were awful. I wasn't high on Clippard, but liked the Liriano move, it just didn't pan out. If he is going to bring in a reliever, he needs to get one that is better than most of the ones we have. We don't need another Harris or Giles. |
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Post by koolade2 on Jun 30, 2018 11:29:50 GMT -6
I think Luhnow weakness is acting in time with the trade deadline. He keeps waiting on the next best one to be available and might miss the one that helps. I still think we got extremely lucky last year with the Verlander trade, it worked out.
This team needs an LF with a bat and it has been like a Red Flag waving in left field since the start of the year.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 11:46:47 GMT -6
I think Luhnow weakness is acting in time with the trade deadline. He keeps waiting on the next best one to be available and might miss the one that helps. I still think we got extremely lucky last year with the Verlander trade, it worked out. This team needs an LF with a bat and it has been like a Red Flag waving in left field since the start of the year. We are seeing why I wanted Lorenzo Cain or someone in that category. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 30, 2018 12:29:13 GMT -6
I think Luhnow weakness is acting in time with the trade deadline. He keeps waiting on the next best one to be available and might miss the one that helps. I still think we got extremely lucky last year with the Verlander trade, it worked out. This team needs an LF with a bat and it has been like a Red Flag waving in left field since the start of the year. We are seeing why I wanted Lorenzo Cain or someone in that category. I am glad the Astros did not sign Cain to 5 years, $80M contract. He is 32 years old. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 12:38:01 GMT -6
I think Luhnow weakness is acting in time with the trade deadline. He keeps waiting on the next best one to be available and might miss the one that helps. I still think we got extremely lucky last year with the Verlander trade, it worked out. This team needs an LF with a bat and it has been like a Red Flag waving in left field since the start of the year. We are seeing why I wanted Lorenzo Cain or someone in that category. Too much money for too long at his age. |
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Post by m240 on Jun 30, 2018 12:49:58 GMT -6
I think Luhnow weakness is acting in time with the trade deadline. He keeps waiting on the next best one to be available and might miss the one that helps. I still think we got extremely lucky last year with the Verlander trade, it worked out. This team needs an LF with a bat and it has been like a Red Flag waving in left field since the start of the year. I have read that Luhnow has a rating system that he adheres to religiously. Essentially he assigns players and prospects different values and then establishes the value that he is willing to give up to get the player. Normally teams that are trading start high and feel their way to the bottom and the team that wants to acquire starts and the bottom and feels their way to the top. The biggest difference in Luhnow is that he does not budge from his valuation system. For nothing, even with Verlander he held his ground and finally the deal came together. It makes great sense to me because it is almost the same as the system that I used to purchase land, repo homes on the courthouse steps, and just about everything large that I purchase. I set a value for something and then I do not go over it. If it exceeds what I have unemotionally established as the value then I walk away. Never get caught up in the emotions of making a deal, never chase a deal. That is for folks that are desperate. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 30, 2018 13:00:45 GMT -6
We are seeing why I wanted Lorenzo Cain or someone in that category. Too much money for too long at his age. Yes, and probably why we didn't go after him. We had Tucker getting ready and I wish we would bring him up and put him out there every day to see how it works. It would have to be as good as we got from Fisher or Marwin. I do like what Kemp has done. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 13:30:00 GMT -6
Too much money for too long at his age. Yes, and probably why we didn't go after him. We had Tucker getting ready and I wish we would bring him up and put him out there every day to see how it works. It would have to be as good as we got from Fisher or Marwin. I do like what Kemp has done. I think they expected Fisher to step into the LF role well and at least be solid. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 30, 2018 15:13:07 GMT -6
We are seeing why I wanted Lorenzo Cain or someone in that category. Too much money for too long at his age. But man, I’d have loved to see Yelich in our LF. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 30, 2018 15:51:18 GMT -6
Something I remember from what Jeff Luhnow has said before, regarding trading or signings, he has learned that is better to wait, to see what comes available, then make a move too early...so Luhnow might make some late trade deadline deals or possibly through waivers.... You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 15:53:51 GMT -6
You gotta have a little faith in Luhnow after what he has done for this franchise. If there is a feasible good move for us, he'll make it. That year caught everybody by surprise. |
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Post by olpapa on Jun 30, 2018 18:25:50 GMT -6
This posted on MLBTR a little over an hour ago:
“The Red Sox and Astros are among the teams with interest in Reds closer Raisel Iglesias, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Houston, in particular, is “looking hard at Iglesias,” Cafardo writes. The Astros had been eyeing fellow late-game option Kelvin Herrera, per Cafardo, though he’s no longer on the market after the Royals traded him to the Nationals earlier this month. Unlike Herrera, a free agent at season’s end, Iglesias could be a multiyear solution for an acquiring team. The 28-year-old standout is under control through 2020 for affordable salaries ($4.5MM this season, $5MM in each of 2019 and ’20), though he could elect to opt into arbitration over the winter in hopes of securing a raise. Given Iglesias’ track record and remaining team control, the Reds would surely require an impressive haul to consider moving him. It’s worth noting, then, that the Astros have Baseball America’s 10th-best farm system, while the Red Sox’s prospect pool is just 24th.”
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 30, 2018 19:47:27 GMT -6
This posted on MLBTR a little over an hour ago: “The Red Sox and Astros are among the teams with interest in Reds closer Raisel Iglesias, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Houston, in particular, is “looking hard at Iglesias,” Cafardo writes. The Astros had been eyeing fellow late-game option Kelvin Herrera, per Cafardo, though he’s no longer on the market after the Royals traded him to the Nationals earlier this month. Unlike Herrera, a free agent at season’s end, Iglesias could be a multiyear solution for an acquiring team. The 28-year-old standout is under control through 2020 for affordable salaries ($4.5MM this season, $5MM in each of 2019 and ’20), though he could elect to opt into arbitration over the winter in hopes of securing a raise. Given Iglesias’ track record and remaining team control, the Reds would surely require an impressive haul to consider moving him. It’s worth noting, then, that the Astros have Baseball America’s 10th-best farm system, while the Red Sox’s prospect pool is just 24th.” |
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Post by Saint on Jun 30, 2018 20:35:29 GMT -6
I feel more and more we need a proven bat.
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