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Post by Saint on Jul 2, 2018 12:41:59 GMT -6
Speed is great, but I still want Abreu. Even in a down year on a bad team he's on pace for 50+ Doubles, 20+ HRs and 90+ RBI with an .800+ OPS. Yes, he is lacking defensively, but he's a legit bat. With Correa hurt you could be looking at this lineup:
Springer CF
Bregman SS
Altuve SS
Abreu 1B
Gattis DH
Gurriel 3B
Reddick RF
Stassi C
Kemp (Tucker...) LF
Even without Correa that is a quality offensive lineup and moves our roleplayers to where they should be rather than starting. If/when Correa comes back healthy (and others stay healthy) there could still be some type of rotation worked out to give everybody plenty of ABs.
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Post by Saint on Jul 2, 2018 12:42:25 GMT -6
I guess Bourn stole 61 in 2009, matching Cedeno's mark. And then Joe Morgan, in 1975 and 1973, stole 67 bases in a year. Hamilton might well get himself into the Astros Top 5 all-time on the Stolen Bases in a Season List though. Gerald Young stole 65 in 1988. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 2, 2018 13:38:05 GMT -6
I guess Bourn stole 61 in 2009, matching Cedeno's mark. And then Joe Morgan, in 1975 and 1973, stole 67 bases in a year. Hamilton might well get himself into the Astros Top 5 all-time on the Stolen Bases in a Season List though. Gerald Young stole 65 in 1988. I didn't realize that Gerald Young got on base 65 times in a season.  |
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Post by Saint on Jul 2, 2018 15:08:03 GMT -6
Gerald Young stole 65 in 1988. I didn't realize that Gerald Young got on base 65 times in a season. He got thrown out a ton too. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 2, 2018 15:11:50 GMT -6
I hadn't thought about or remembered G Young in a long, long time. Thanks for that.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 2, 2018 15:29:45 GMT -6
Was it Gerald Young or Tony Scott that was such a good outfielder?
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 4, 2018 15:23:55 GMT -6
I wish Luhnow would try to pull of a trade with the Orioles to bring us Adam Jones and Britton......gets us a lefty reliever and a bat for the outfield.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 4, 2018 15:25:11 GMT -6
I wish Luhnow would try to pull of a trade with the Orioles to bring us Adam Jones and Britton......gets us a lefty reliever and a bat for the outfield. Has Britton been that impressive? He better be damn good for a rental. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 4, 2018 15:48:22 GMT -6
No way we could get Votto without giving up Whitley and Tucker. Yeah, not going to happen...Plus, for some reason, Votto wants to stay in Cincy, he can block any trade. Votto is a heckuva ballplayer, but I’ve got to wonder about a guy who is content to remain with a losing team year after year, rather than accept a trade to a winner. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 4, 2018 15:56:17 GMT -6
Yeah, not going to happen...Plus, for some reason, Votto wants to stay in Cincy, he can block any trade. Votto is a heckuva ballplayer, but I’ve got to wonder about a guy who is content to remain with a losing team year after year, rather than accept a trade to a winner. Same here. Something about him is strange. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 4, 2018 16:14:15 GMT -6
Votto is a heckuva ballplayer, but I’ve got to wonder about a guy who is content to remain with a losing team year after year, rather than accept a trade to a winner. Same here. Something about him is strange. . More like hilarious. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 4, 2018 16:23:35 GMT -6
What do you all think about trading for Adam Conley of the Marlins? He converted from a starter to a relief pitcher this tear and has put up some good numbers against right handed and left handed batters. He shouldn’t be nearly as expensive as Hand, Treinen or Iglesias and doesn’t have the cloud of coming off achilles surgery hanging over him that Britton does. Marlins need a little bit of everything. Might be a guy we could get for some blocked/Rule 5 eligible prospects. HO
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 4, 2018 16:46:07 GMT -6
What do you all think about trading for Adam Conley of the Marlins? He converted from a starter to a relief pitcher this tear and has put up some good numbers against right handed and left handed batters. He shouldn’t be nearly as expensive as Hand, Treinen or Iglesias and doesn’t have the cloud of coming off achilles surgery hanging over him that Britton does. Marlins need a little bit of everything. Might be a guy we could get for some blocked/Rule 5 eligible prospects. HO Your post goes along with a story on mlb.com www.mlb.com/news/five-relievers-astros-might-trade-for/c-284166066?tid=282421090 |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 4, 2018 16:52:34 GMT -6
I wish Luhnow would try to pull of a trade with the Orioles to bring us Adam Jones and Britton......gets us a lefty reliever and a bat for the outfield. Has Britton been that impressive? He better be damn good for a rental. I have some concern about Britton, but, if the price is right, he'd be worth a shot. Jones would be a great addition. I agree with those who think Votto is strange for not wanting to leave Cincinnati to play for a good team. Iglesius is anotther reliever who should interest Luhnow. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 16:52:37 GMT -6
paastrosfan I hadn't realized the LHB/RHB splits outlined among the relief core. Some of AJs bullpen moves are easy to understand given his affinity for matchups. That being said,
it's an interesting proposition dumping Harris after everything he's achieved in his stint here. He's having a poor season, but we still need guys for low-leverage situations
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 4, 2018 16:55:38 GMT -6
paastrosfan I hadn't realized the LHB/RHB splits outlined among the relief core. Some of AJs bullpen moves are easy to understand given his affinity for matchups. That being said,
it's an interesting proposition dumping Harris after everything he's achieved in his stint here. He's having a poor season, but we still need guys for low-leverage situations
If Harris will ever learn to throw his breaking pitch out of the zone for a chase, he might find better success. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 4, 2018 16:56:17 GMT -6
paastrosfan I hadn't realized the LHB/RHB splits outlined among the relief core. Some of AJs bullpen moves are easy to understand given his affinity for matchups. That being said,
it's an interesting proposition dumping Harris after everything he's achieved in his stint here. He's having a poor season, but we still need guys for low-leverage situations
Hinch’s dependence on Harris seems to have fallen off a cliff, which is pretty odd. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 16:58:11 GMT -6
So far the A's have rejected any trade offers, Treinen is not available. The A's are playing some pretty good ball lately. Have you seen their record lately. They may be buyers, not sellers, at the deadline depending on how July goes for them. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 17:00:45 GMT -6
paastrosfan I hadn't realized the LHB/RHB splits outlined among the relief core. Some of AJs bullpen moves are easy to understand given his affinity for matchups. That being said,
it's an interesting proposition dumping Harris after everything he's achieved in his stint here. He's having a poor season, but we still need guys for low-leverage situations
If Harris will ever learn to throw his breaking pitch out of the zone for a chase, he might find better success. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 4, 2018 17:05:29 GMT -6
If Harris will ever learn to throw his breaking pitch out of the zone for a chase, he might find better success. They might start working Giles in the seventh or eighth inning, when Dotel jumped from the eighth to the ninth he had difficulty adjusting to the roll. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 17:13:15 GMT -6
The alternative would be getting rid of Giles .. which would settle the debate about the save being the most worthless stat They might start working Giles in the seventh or eighth inning, when Dotel jumped from the eighth to the ninth he had difficulty adjusting to the roll.
that will cost the bluest chips from the organization's crust unless it's someone that can really make a difference like that year Miller and Chapman were dealt |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 4, 2018 17:19:21 GMT -6
They might start working Giles in the seventh or eighth inning, when Dotel jumped from the eighth to the ninth he had difficulty adjusting to the roll.
that will cost the bluest chips from the organization's crust unless it's someone that can really make a difference like that year Miller and Chapman were dealtThe Yankees always bring up the trade of Chapman with the Cubs, they say is like they loaned him for a couple months and now they also have Torres for the next decade. I am thinking the same thing, top prospects for a reliever can be a gamble. Think of it this way I am glad they stepped in to grab Gray before Jeff pulled the trade, the Yankees can eat a deal like that and the prospects they lost didn't even hurt their organization. There is talk he might even be flipped in a trade for a starter. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 17:27:04 GMT -6
The other thing I'd add with respect to your article is the point about McCullers coming out of the bullpen in October. It's not so much that AJ has to do that .. as much
as he's able to given the postseason game format, and how commanding the rotation has been
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Post by olpapa on Jul 4, 2018 18:13:15 GMT -6
paastrosfan I hadn't realized the LHB/RHB splits outlined among the relief core. Some of AJs bullpen moves are easy to understand given his affinity for matchups. That being said,
it's an interesting proposition dumping Harris after everything he's achieved in his stint here. He's having a poor season, but we still need guys for low-leverage situations
The club option that the Astros hold on Harris for 2019 is $5.5 million. With all the near MLB ready arms the team has at AA and AAA right now there should be no reason to spend $5.5 million next season for a pitcher to handle the low leverage situations. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 4, 2018 18:27:24 GMT -6
Harris had a good run with the club. I'm surprised it lasted this long with how unpredictable relievers can be
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Post by Saint on Jul 5, 2018 5:43:46 GMT -6
From mlbtraderumors.com:
"The Astros are checking around on the bullpen market, though a source tells MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand that the team isn’t going to make a move unless a clear upgrade can be found. “It’s going to be really hard for them to upgrade given that adding someone means pushing a capable — even good — reliever…off the playoff roster. There’s pressure to do something, but it doesn’t really make sense,” the source said. Indeed, the argument could more easily be made that Houston is the last team that needs bullpen reinforcements, as Astros relievers collectively rank either first or second amongst all bullpens in ERA, WHIP, HR/9, BB/9, K/9 and hits per nine innings. Tony Sipp is the bullpen’s only southpaw, though even adding another left-hander isn’t necessary given how well Chris Devenski and Hector Rondon have pitched against left-handed hitters. If the Astros do add another bullpen arm, Feinsand lists some pitchers controlled for multiple years (Brad Hand, Raisel Iglesias, Blake Treinen, Adam Conley) as possible fits, as well as a rental (Zach Britton) that Houston has pursued in the past."
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Post by m240 on Jul 5, 2018 6:06:37 GMT -6
there is pressure to get an upgrade but as time goes on it looks more and more like we need to shake up the offense a little by getting the lineup a little deeper than it is now.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 5, 2018 7:03:01 GMT -6
there is pressure to get an upgrade but as time goes on it looks more and more like we need to shake up the offense a little by getting the lineup a little deeper than it is now. Reddick has finally started to get it going, which helps immensely. I go back and forth on whether or not I’d rather have another major reliever or hitter here. The fact is that the Giles you saw yesterday could be the “punch his face” Giles tomorrow. You just never know. José Abreu could be the professional style of hitter we hoped we had in Beltrán last season. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 5, 2018 7:11:56 GMT -6
Harris had a good run with the club. I'm surprised it lasted this long with how unpredictable relievers can be I’m not big on Harris, but reading that is kind of sad. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 5, 2018 7:26:37 GMT -6
If Gurriel AND Reddick continue to improve and Altuve, Correa, and Springer come out of their recent slumps strong and stay healthy, I am less concerned about getting Abreu. But that's a lot of ifs.
LF is still the weak spot. Tucker could be the answer...
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