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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 6, 2018 15:39:59 GMT -6
Speaking of Votto not ever being in the playoffs with the Reds, they made it three times during his tenure there. Tough losses too. There was one series they needed one win against the Giants with three to play, and lost all three Then there was another where Utley cried Chapman hit him with a fastball when he didn't, but the ump gave Utley 1st base anyway cause he's a little bitchThat is why he signed the long term contract, but the front office gutted those good teams.
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Post by paastrosfan on Jul 6, 2018 15:43:00 GMT -6
You are childs play crotch, better to know some information before you post. Weather is great down here, maybe should should leave your four by eight room and get some sun on that bald head. Everyone here knows that the only reason you made that post was because you wasted time researching Votto just so you may be able to prove me wrong about the Reds not being a playoff team while he was there. to me, it wasn't important enough for me to go check on it.....I didn't remember the Reds making the playoffs while he was there. I am so pleased that you were able to feed your fragile ego. You are as phony as they come. You are no more in Florida working with All Stars than I am in New York starring in a Broadway production. But, if you want to imagine that you are down there fulfilling one your childish fantasies have a nice time. Crotch post your email, I will send you pictures.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 6, 2018 15:55:42 GMT -6
Everyone here knows that the only reason you made that post was because you wasted time researching Votto just so you may be able to prove me wrong about the Reds not being a playoff team while he was there. to me, it wasn't important enough for me to go check on it.....I didn't remember the Reds making the playoffs while he was there. I am so pleased that you were able to feed your fragile ego. You are as phony as they come. You are no more in Florida working with All Stars than I am in New York starring in a Broadway production. But, if you want to imagine that you are down there fulfilling one your childish fantasies have a nice time. Crotch post your email, I will send you pictures. I am not interested in receiving pictures that you would forward to me after someone who is actually there sends them to you. i notice that you didn't lie and claim I was wrong about why you made that post about Votto. Good for you. You must be having a rare lucid moment.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 6, 2018 16:04:17 GMT -6
Everyone here knows that the only reason you made that post was because you wasted time researching Votto just so you may be able to prove me wrong about the Reds not being a playoff team while he was there. to me, it wasn't important enough for me to go check on it.....I didn't remember the Reds making the playoffs while he was there. I am so pleased that you were able to feed your fragile ego. You are as phony as they come. You are no more in Florida working with All Stars than I am in New York starring in a Broadway production. But, if you want to imagine that you are down there fulfilling one your childish fantasies have a nice time. Crotch post your email, I will send you pictures. Waste of time. He's playing a game. He just admitted when he corrects someone it's to feed his fragile ego #WalkAway
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 6, 2018 16:50:43 GMT -6
Speaking of Votto not ever being in the playoffs with the Reds, they made it three times during his tenure there.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 7, 2018 12:26:16 GMT -6
Chris Carter was released by the Twins to make room for Kemmer.
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Post by m240 on Jul 7, 2018 12:43:42 GMT -6
man that has to be a kick in the shorts for a guy's ego
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Post by olpapa on Jul 8, 2018 7:52:31 GMT -6
Posted yesterday at MLBTR:
“The Astros have shown interest in White Sox first baseman Jose Abreu, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Abreu carries a stronger track record than Houston first baseman Yuli Gurriel and designated hitter Evan Gattis, either of whom could lose playing time to Abreu if the reigning world champs acquire him. However, in 2018, both Gurriel and Gattis have offered superior production to Abreu, a fellow right-handed hitter who has batted a disappointing .260/.316/.451 through 373 plate appearances. The 31-year-old Abreu also carries a high price tag, as he’s on a $13MM salary this season and should land a raise over that figure next winter during his final trip through arbitration. But despite the veteran’s cost and the fact that the White Sox are rebuilding, they have thus far been unwilling to move Abreu, an important mentor to their array of young players.”
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Post by olpapa on Jul 8, 2018 8:36:05 GMT -6
Abreu is really heading south with the bat lately. Batting .175 and slugging .289 over his last 30 games....batting .136 and slugging .227 over his last 7 games.
He is said to be a very good mentor for the younger guys on the team, but I don’t know how much the Astros need that after having had the experience of winning the WS last year. He is strictly a first baseman, but we already have Yuli, Marwin and White to cover first base. The only reason I can see for going after him is for his bat...and his bat is not producing right now. He would add no value on defense. He still has a year of arbitration left so if we traded for him we would be looking at taking on his salary for the remainder of this year and all of next season. He is already making $13 million this year so he is going to be expensive next season. Seems like it would make more sense to just keep Gattis around.
If the team wants to add a bat, Wilson Ramos would seem to make more sense than Abreu. Ramos is a good hitter and his bat has been heading north over the last month. He is also a good catcher and would provide the team some quality insurance should McCann not recover well from surgery. He is a FA after this season so the team would not be taking on any salary beyond this season and it is more likely that we could obtain him by trading blocked prospects and/or prospects other than our top 5 or so, I would think.
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Post by m240 on Jul 8, 2018 8:38:20 GMT -6
Posted yesterday at MLBTR: “The Astros have shown interest in White Sox first baseman Jose Abreu, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Abreu carries a stronger track record than Houston first baseman Yuli Gurriel and designated hitter Evan Gattis, either of whom could lose playing time to Abreu if the reigning world champs acquire him. However, in 2018, both Gurriel and Gattis have offered superior production to Abreu, a fellow right-handed hitter who has batted a disappointing .260/.316/.451 through 373 plate appearances. The 31-year-old Abreu also carries a high price tag, as he’s on a $13MM salary this season and should land a raise over that figure next winter during his final trip through arbitration. But despite the veteran’s cost and the fact that the White Sox are rebuilding, they have thus far been unwilling to move Abreu, an important mentor to their array of young players.” A month ago our odds on making a big trade were very high, now I would say less than 50%. I think that everything will depend on how Tucker does. If he looks like he can hit 270 with some power and good defense then no trade needs to be made. If it is questionable whether he can then I feel certain that we will make a trade. So I guess this is one of the reasons why Luhnow waits as long as he does before he pulls the trigger on a deal.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 8, 2018 8:44:05 GMT -6
Posted yesterday at MLBTR: “The Astros have shown interest in White Sox first baseman Jose Abreu, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Abreu carries a stronger track record than Houston first baseman Yuli Gurriel and designated hitter Evan Gattis, either of whom could lose playing time to Abreu if the reigning world champs acquire him. However, in 2018, both Gurriel and Gattis have offered superior production to Abreu, a fellow right-handed hitter who has batted a disappointing .260/.316/.451 through 373 plate appearances. The 31-year-old Abreu also carries a high price tag, as he’s on a $13MM salary this season and should land a raise over that figure next winter during his final trip through arbitration. But despite the veteran’s cost and the fact that the White Sox are rebuilding, they have thus far been unwilling to move Abreu, an important mentor to their array of young players.” A month ago our odds on making a big trade were very high, now I would say less than 50%. I think that everything will depend on how Tucker does. If he looks like he can hit 270 with some power and good defense then no trade needs to be made. If it is questionable whether he can then I feel certain that we will make a trade. So I guess this is one of the reasons why Luhnow waits as long as he does before he pulls the trigger on a deal. I would still like to see us pick up a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 9:10:05 GMT -6
A month ago our odds on making a big trade were very high, now I would say less than 50%. I think that everything will depend on how Tucker does. If he looks like he can hit 270 with some power and good defense then no trade needs to be made. If it is questionable whether he can then I feel certain that we will make a trade. So I guess this is one of the reasons why Luhnow waits as long as he does before he pulls the trigger on a deal. I would still like to see us pick up a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever. I would still be for both Abreu and a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever...Abreu could be a great trade low candidate right now...hopefully his asking price is relatively low, mainly for Astros prospects that are blocked/not top tier.....I believe he will rebound, plus have a synergy affect on the club. www.lavidabaseball.com/yuli-gurriel-jose-abreu-food/
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 9:14:42 GMT -6
Abreu is really heading south with the bat lately. Batting .175 and slugging .289 over his last 30 games....batting .136 and slugging .227 over his last 7 games. He is said to be a very good mentor for the younger guys on the team, but I don’t know how much the Astros need that after having had the experience of winning the WS last year. He is strictly a first baseman, but we already have Yuli, Marwin and White to cover first base. The only reason I can see for going after him is for his bat...and his bat is not producing right now. He would add no value on defense. He still has a year of arbitration left so if we traded for him we would be looking at taking on his salary for the remainder of this year and all of next season. He is already making $13 million this year so he is going to be expensive next season. Seems like it would make more sense to just keep Gattis around. If the team wants to add a bat, Wilson Ramos would seem to make more sense than Abreu. Ramos is a good hitter and his bat has been heading north over the last month. He is also a good catcher and would provide the team some quality insurance should McCann not recover well from surgery. He is a FA after this season so the team would not be taking on any salary beyond this season and it is more likely that we could obtain him by trading blocked prospects and/or prospects other than our top 5 or so, I would think. I think the Nats will probably be the top bidder for Wilson Ramos...
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 9:16:46 GMT -6
or the Brewers could be the top bidder for Ramos.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 8, 2018 9:26:27 GMT -6
I would still like to see us pick up a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever. I would still be for both Abreu and a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever...Abreu could be a great trade low candidate right now...hopefully his asking price is relatively low, mainly for Astros prospects that are blocked/not top tier.....I believe he will rebound, plus have a synergy affect on the club. www.lavidabaseball.com/yuli-gurriel-jose-abreu-food/If we do trade for Abreu, I will believe that Luhnow has no intention of attempting to retain Gattis next season.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 9:31:26 GMT -6
I would still be for both Abreu and a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever...Abreu could be a great trade low candidate right now...hopefully his asking price is relatively low, mainly for Astros prospects that are blocked/not top tier.....I believe he will rebound, plus have a synergy affect on the club. www.lavidabaseball.com/yuli-gurriel-jose-abreu-food/If we do trade for Abreu, I will believe that Luhnow has no intention of attempting to retain Gattis next season. Probably not...unless Gattis starts getting more time at catcher - or - Yuli gets spot starts in LF and 3b, becoming more of an utility player.... I would be interested to seeing what the White Sox are going to want for a slumping player...keep in mind Abreu is a career: .301 BA/.354 OBP/.552 SLG....He is a 30 HR/100RBI producer....plus loved in the organization....
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 8, 2018 10:35:56 GMT -6
I would still like to see us pick up a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever. I would still be for both Abreu and a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever...Abreu could be a great trade low candidate right now...hopefully his asking price is relatively low, mainly for Astros prospects that are blocked/not top tier.....I believe he will rebound, plus have a synergy affect on the club. www.lavidabaseball.com/yuli-gurriel-jose-abreu-food/No doubt that we could use a top reliever....maybe two, but, why do we need Abreu?? He is a terrible first baseman and we have a DH in Gattis who has caught fire and leads the team in home runs and runs batted in. Who do we sit to put Abreu in the lineup? I don't see that we have a need for him. I think Tucker was brought up at this time in hopes he can show that he can provide some power and run production this season. If so, that probably means Kemp could be used......along with White, Reed, or both......in a trade or trades. Since we are not sure when or if McCann returns this season, I wish there was a catcher available. I would like to get Ramos, but, he is probably too expensive.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 11:24:12 GMT -6
I would still be for both Abreu and a legitimate, consistent, shutdown reliever...Abreu could be a great trade low candidate right now...hopefully his asking price is relatively low, mainly for Astros prospects that are blocked/not top tier.....I believe he will rebound, plus have a synergy affect on the club. www.lavidabaseball.com/yuli-gurriel-jose-abreu-food/No doubt that we could use a top reliever....maybe two, but, why do we need Abreu?? He is a terrible first baseman and we have a DH in Gattis who has caught fire and leads the team in home runs and runs batted in. Who do we sit to put Abreu in the lineup? I don't see that we have a need for him. I think Tucker was brought up at this time in hopes he can show that he can provide some power and run production this season. If so, that probably means Kemp could be used......along with White, Reed, or both......in a trade or trades. Since we are not sure when or if McCann returns this season, I wish there was a catcher available. I would like to get Ramos, but, he is probably too expensive. I think Abreu's consistent production over the years would be a very valuable addition to this team, for both the regular season and playoffs....Plus, I like how he is a great clubhouse guy and mentor for Latin baseball players...I am glad Gattis is doing so well right now, but he is very streaky, and/or he could also be a part time catcher....
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 8, 2018 11:30:15 GMT -6
No doubt that we could use a top reliever....maybe two, but, why do we need Abreu?? He is a terrible first baseman and we have a DH in Gattis who has caught fire and leads the team in home runs and runs batted in. Who do we sit to put Abreu in the lineup? I don't see that we have a need for him. I think Tucker was brought up at this time in hopes he can show that he can provide some power and run production this season. If so, that probably means Kemp could be used......along with White, Reed, or both......in a trade or trades. Since we are not sure when or if McCann returns this season, I wish there was a catcher available. I would like to get Ramos, but, he is probably too expensive. I think Abreu's consistent production over the years would be a very valuable addition to this team, for both the regular season and playoffs....Plus, I like how he is a great clubhouse guy and mentor for Latin baseball players...I am glad Gattis is doing so well right now, but he is very streaky, and/or he could also be a part time catcher.... I have to agree that adding Abreu if Gattis is going to be used as a backup catcher makes sense. Fed would not be here if McCann was not on the DL. Using Gattis as a part-time catcher and adding Abreu would add a power hitter to the lineup. I know of Abreu's rep in the clubhouse and it is great. I would guess Kemp and a couple of others would go in a deal for him..They didn't bring Tucker up to showcase him for a trade.....they brought hin up to take over left field. I think they are losing patience with Marwin and they should. His attitude has gone south.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 8, 2018 11:35:14 GMT -6
I think Abreu's consistent production over the years would be a very valuable addition to this team, for both the regular season and playoffs....Plus, I like how he is a great clubhouse guy and mentor for Latin baseball players...I am glad Gattis is doing so well right now, but he is very streaky, and/or he could also be a part time catcher.... I have to agree that adding Abreu if Gattis is going to be used as a backup catcher makes sense. Fed would not be here if McCann was not on the DL. Using Gattis as a part-time catcher and adding Abreu would add a power hitter to the lineup. I know of Abreu's rep in the clubhouse and it is great. I would guess Kemp and a couple of others would go in a deal for him..They didn't bring Tucker up to showcase him for a trade.....they brought hin up to take over left field. I think they are losing patience with Marwin and they should. His attitude has gone south. I agree, Tucker is up here for keeps, unless he completely flounders....Kemp's value would be greater for another team than it is for the Astros, so starts are auditions, but putting him in CF, with his highly suspect arm, does not add up. I am surprised the Astros are not letting Altuve DH, to give Kemp reps at 2b, his natural position. If the Astros do acquire Abreu, means Gattis is going to playing catcher, while McCann is out...
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 8, 2018 11:46:30 GMT -6
I have to agree that adding Abreu if Gattis is going to be used as a backup catcher makes sense. Fed would not be here if McCann was not on the DL. Using Gattis as a part-time catcher and adding Abreu would add a power hitter to the lineup. I know of Abreu's rep in the clubhouse and it is great. I would guess Kemp and a couple of others would go in a deal for him..They didn't bring Tucker up to showcase him for a trade.....they brought hin up to take over left field. I think they are losing patience with Marwin and they should. His attitude has gone south. I agree, Tucker is up here for keeps, unless he completely flounders....Kemp's value would be greater for another team than it is for the Astros, so starts are auditions, but putting him in CF, with his highly suspect arm, does not add up. I am surprised the Astros are not letting Altuve DH, to give Kemp reps at 2b, his natural position. If the Astros do acquire Abreu, means Gattis is going to playing catcher, while McCann is out... Kemp in CF does not seem like a good idea. Maybe they want to keep Altuve at 2B due to Keuchel being on the mound and Keuchel gets a lot of ground balls when he is on his game.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 8, 2018 14:52:14 GMT -6
I have to agree that adding Abreu if Gattis is going to be used as a backup catcher makes sense. Fed would not be here if McCann was not on the DL. Using Gattis as a part-time catcher and adding Abreu would add a power hitter to the lineup. I know of Abreu's rep in the clubhouse and it is great. I would guess Kemp and a couple of others would go in a deal for him..They didn't bring Tucker up to showcase him for a trade.....they brought hin up to take over left field. I think they are losing patience with Marwin and they should. His attitude has gone south. I agree, Tucker is up here for keeps, unless he completely flounders....Kemp's value would be greater for another team than it is for the Astros, so starts are auditions, but putting him in CF, with his highly suspect arm, does not add up. I am surprised the Astros are not letting Altuve DH, to give Kemp reps at 2b, his natural position. If the Astros do acquire Abreu, means Gattis is going to playing catcher, while McCann is out... This from MLBTR: “The three weeks leading up to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline will serve as a left field audition for Astros prospect Kyle Tucker, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal says. If the just-promoted Tucker doesn’t look ready to contribute on a regular basis, the Astros will “likely” look to acquire a veteran stopgap, according to Rosenthal, who points out that left field has not been an area of strength for their offense this season. Tucker, 21, made his Astros debut Saturday and went 1 for 4 with three strikeouts and a walk.”
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2018 15:09:23 GMT -6
Abreu is really heading south with the bat lately. Batting .175 and slugging .289 over his last 30 games....batting .136 and slugging .227 over his last 7 games. He is said to be a very good mentor for the younger guys on the team, but I don’t know how much the Astros need that after having had the experience of winning the WS last year. He is strictly a first baseman, but we already have Yuli, Marwin and White to cover first base. The only reason I can see for going after him is for his bat...and his bat is not producing right now. He would add no value on defense. He still has a year of arbitration left so if we traded for him we would be looking at taking on his salary for the remainder of this year and all of next season. He is already making $13 million this year so he is going to be expensive next season. Seems like it would make more sense to just keep Gattis around. If the team wants to add a bat, Wilson Ramos would seem to make more sense than Abreu. Ramos is a good hitter and his bat has been heading north over the last month. He is also a good catcher and would provide the team some quality insurance should McCann not recover well from surgery. He is a FA after this season so the team would not be taking on any salary beyond this season and it is more likely that we could obtain him by trading blocked prospects and/or prospects other than our top 5 or so, I would think. Yeah Abreu is not looking like what we need at this point. I'm on board with Ramos.
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Post by Saint on Jul 8, 2018 15:10:36 GMT -6
Abreu is really heading south with the bat lately. Batting .175 and slugging .289 over his last 30 games....batting .136 and slugging .227 over his last 7 games. He is said to be a very good mentor for the younger guys on the team, but I don’t know how much the Astros need that after having had the experience of winning the WS last year. He is strictly a first baseman, but we already have Yuli, Marwin and White to cover first base. The only reason I can see for going after him is for his bat...and his bat is not producing right now. He would add no value on defense. He still has a year of arbitration left so if we traded for him we would be looking at taking on his salary for the remainder of this year and all of next season. He is already making $13 million this year so he is going to be expensive next season. Seems like it would make more sense to just keep Gattis around. If the team wants to add a bat, Wilson Ramos would seem to make more sense than Abreu. Ramos is a good hitter and his bat has been heading north over the last month. He is also a good catcher and would provide the team some quality insurance should McCann not recover well from surgery. He is a FA after this season so the team would not be taking on any salary beyond this season and it is more likely that we could obtain him by trading blocked prospects and/or prospects other than our top 5 or so, I would think. Yeah Abreu is not looking like what we need at this point. I'm on board with Ramos.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 16:25:42 GMT -6
Abreu is really heading south with the bat lately. Batting .175 and slugging .289 over his last 30 games....batting .136 and slugging .227 over his last 7 games. He is said to be a very good mentor for the younger guys on the team, but I don’t know how much the Astros need that after having had the experience of winning the WS last year. He is strictly a first baseman, but we already have Yuli, Marwin and White to cover first base. The only reason I can see for going after him is for his bat...and his bat is not producing right now. He would add no value on defense. He still has a year of arbitration left so if we traded for him we would be looking at taking on his salary for the remainder of this year and all of next season. He is already making $13 million this year so he is going to be expensive next season. Seems like it would make more sense to just keep Gattis around. If the team wants to add a bat, Wilson Ramos would seem to make more sense than Abreu. Ramos is a good hitter and his bat has been heading north over the last month. He is also a good catcher and would provide the team some quality insurance should McCann not recover well from surgery. He is a FA after this season so the team would not be taking on any salary beyond this season and it is more likely that we could obtain him by trading blocked prospects and/or prospects other than our top 5 or so, I would think. Yeah Abreu is not looking like what we need at this point. I'm on board with Ramos.
Abreu's clutch stats are still pretty good this year:
Runners on base: (48/197) .280 avg 6 HRs, 44 RBIs Scoring Position: (40/143) .293 avg 4 HRs, 35 RBIs Scor Pos w/ 2 outs: (10/23) .435 avg 1 HR, 12 RBIs .552 OB%
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 9, 2018 0:42:27 GMT -6
ESPN was reporting that the Astros are the frontrunners to trade for Ramos. That would seem to cast doubt on whether McCann can return after the surgery this year.
Ramos is a league-average hitter (OPS+ 102) for his career but is having a great season so far with OPS+ of 124 and 12 HRs so far.
A big positive about Ramos is that he has a .347 BA with RISP this year
His L/R splits are similar to Stassi's insofar as he hits lefties somewhat better than righties.
Ramos has hit the Red Sox well this year but NYY and SEA, not so well. Just thinking about how he would work out in the postseason.
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Post by marshall on Jul 9, 2018 3:07:11 GMT -6
I agree, Tucker is up here for keeps, unless he completely flounders....Kemp's value would be greater for another team than it is for the Astros, so starts are auditions, but putting him in CF, with his highly suspect arm, does not add up. I am surprised the Astros are not letting Altuve DH, to give Kemp reps at 2b, his natural position. If the Astros do acquire Abreu, means Gattis is going to playing catcher, while McCann is out... Kemp in CF does not seem like a good idea. Maybe they want to keep Altuve at 2B due to Keuchel being on the mound and Keuchel gets a lot of ground balls when he is on his game. I'm not sure Gattis can take the punishment of regular work at catcher, even as a backup. I think he's strictly an emergency catcher now.
Stubbs is in the pipeline and both Ramos and Realmuto are potential trade candidates.
I really don't see any advantage of trading for average players. We need players who are good NOW or controllable prospects in exchange for the rule 5 eligibles.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 9, 2018 3:40:08 GMT -6
ESPN was reporting that the Astros are the frontrunners to trade for Ramos. That would seem to cast doubt on whether McCann can return after the surgery this year. Ramos is a league-average hitter (OPS+ 102) for his career but is having a great season so far with OPS+ of 124 and 12 HRs so far. A big positive about Ramos is that he has a .347 BA with RISP this year His L/R splits are similar to Stassi's insofar as he hits lefties somewhat better than righties. Ramos has hit the Red Sox well this year but NYY and SEA, not so well. Just thinking about how he would work out in the postseason. That says all we need to know about the prospects of Gattis catching in a capacity other than emergency backup.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 9, 2018 3:42:49 GMT -6
ESPN was reporting that the Astros are the frontrunners to trade for Ramos. That would seem to cast doubt on whether McCann can return after the surgery this year. Ramos is a league-average hitter (OPS+ 102) for his career but is having a great season so far with OPS+ of 124 and 12 HRs so far. A big positive about Ramos is that he has a .347 BA with RISP this year His L/R splits are similar to Stassi's insofar as he hits lefties somewhat better than righties. Ramos has hit the Red Sox well this year but NYY and SEA, not so well. Just thinking about how he would work out in the postseason. That says all we need to know about the prospects of Gattis catching in a capacity other than emergency backup. I think the demand for Ramos is great. That in turn could make the Rays asking price higher than giraffe p*ssy.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 9, 2018 3:54:12 GMT -6
Would you go balls deep?
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