Trades & Free Agents

[unionstation82]

Also, do people think that players like Ramos and Britton can be retained after this season? There are known risks with trading for rentals.

[olpapa]

Some teams are obviously adjusting to what the Astros are doing. Will the Astros counter their adjustments by going to a more conventional defensive alignment? Who knows?

[Saint]

Jul 13, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Also, do people think that players like Ramos and Britton can be retained after this season? There are known risks with trading for rentals.

I don't think we even try with those rentals.

[olpapa]

Jul 13, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Also, do people think that players like Ramos and Britton can be retained after this season? There are known risks with trading for rentals.

I would prefer that we trade for a rental for the stretch run, if we have a guy in the minors who is likely to be ML ready next season and who plays the position the player we are trading for plays. Don’t want to block any ML ready prospects and a rental player should not require as big a return in a trade.

I don’t want to see Stubbs blocked next season. I think he and Stassi will make a very good tandem. We have so many good arms in the farm system. Would prefer not to block any more of them than absolutely necessary. That said, if Britton can be had for blocked players and/or prospects who are not likely to play for the Astros in the next couple years, I’m good with that, provided Britton continues to pitch well and is healthy at the deadline.

[thomasj13]

Jul 13, 2018 11:03:31 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jul 13, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Also, do people think that players like Ramos and Britton can be retained after this season? There are known risks with trading for rentals.

I would prefer that we trade for a rental for the stretch run, if we have a guy in the minors who is likely to be ML ready next season and who plays the position the player we are trading for plays. Don’t want to block any ML ready prospects and a rental player should not require as big a return in a trade.

I don’t want to see Stubbs blocked next season. I think he and Stassi will make a very good tandem. We have so many good arms in the farm system. Would prefer not to block any more of them than absolutely necessary. That said, if Britton can be had for blocked players and/or prospects who are not likely to play for the Astros in the next couple years, I’m good with that, provided Britton continues to pitch well and is healthy at the deadline.

I think the Astros farm system is filled with good players that would play in the majors if they played for another team; however, they are blocked here....So it make sense for the Astros to increase their playoff chances for trading for players that can help now as opposed to ones that probably will never in the future will.

[blcoach8]

We have enough good prospects in the farm system to deal for a rental like Ramos or Britton without weakening our system. We don't have to give up our top guys to get them. If Baltimore demands too much, go get someone besides Britton.  Iglesius should also be on our radar.

[koolade2]

Ok, Who is Marwin blocking? I could name a couple others but it would be a WTF moment.

[olpapa]

Jul 13, 2018 17:21:48 GMT -6 koolade2 said:

Ok, Who is Marwin blocking? 

Most any inf/of type player we have at AA or AAA who is breathing.

[ɮօʀȶǟʐ]

Jul 13, 2018 18:10:42 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jul 13, 2018 17:21:48 GMT -6 koolade2 said:

Ok, Who is Marwin blocking? 

Most any inf/of type player we have at AA or AAA who is breathing.

Saved me from having to type it out. Thanks.

[koolade2]

Jul 13, 2018 18:10:42 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jul 13, 2018 17:21:48 GMT -6 koolade2 said:

Ok, Who is Marwin blocking? 

Most any inf/of type player we have at AA or AAA who is breathing.

If you couldn't tell that was being sarcastic.  Really I have seen enough of Marwin this year and his SO and killing run-scoring innings.

[blcoach8]

As far as I'm concerned, Marwin can pack his bags and haul ass.

[olpapa]

Heymon thinks Astros are most likely destination for Realmuto:

fancredsports.com/articles/jon-heyman-astros-not-nats-appear-most-likely-pl

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Yeah, I bet the price tag for a .300 hitting excellent defensive AS catcher, will be off the charts. Luhnow.... don't bite, unless you can unleash some more of your Jedi Mind Tricks.

[unionstation82]

Realmuto would be great here, but they’re not going to repeat without the usual Springer and Correa.

[olpapa]

Jul 14, 2018 8:20:44 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Yeah, I bet the price tag for a .300 hitting excellent defensive AS catcher, will be off the charts. Luhnow.... don't bite, unless you can unleash some more of your Jedi Mind Tricks.

If I recall correctly, the rumors last offseason were that the Marlins were demanding Tucker and Whitley in a deal for Realmuto. I wonder if the suspension and now the oblique issue with Whitley has scared the Marlins away from him. I also wonder if those issues...and the fact that the Astros have so many quality arms in the farm system....might make Luhnow more willing to include Whitley in a trade for Realmuto. 

[olpapa]

Jul 14, 2018 8:29:13 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Realmuto would be great here, but they’re not going to repeat without the usual Springer and Correa.

I agree.

[unionstation82]

Jul 14, 2018 8:36:03 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jul 14, 2018 8:20:44 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Yeah, I bet the price tag for a .300 hitting excellent defensive AS catcher, will be off the charts. Luhnow.... don't bite, unless you can unleash some more of your Jedi Mind Tricks.

If I recall correctly, the rumors last offseason were that the Marlins were demanding Tucker and Whitley in a deal for Realmuto. I wonder if the suspension and now the oblique issue with Whitley has scared the Marlins away from him. I also wonder if those issues...and the fact that the Astros have so many quality arms in the farm system....might make Luhnow more willing to include Whitley in a trade for Realmuto. 

Would trading Whitley help the Astros in the long run? My guess says no unless his numbers have vastly declined after the suspension.

[unionstation82]

Apparently, the Phils are serious players in the Machado talks. Anything to keep the Yanks and Sawx out of it is good news for me.

www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/manny-machado-trade-rumors-phillies-orioles-yankees-brewers.html

[m240]

Jul 14, 2018 8:36:03 GMT -6 olpapa said:

Jul 14, 2018 8:20:44 GMT -6 @txheat10k said:

Yeah, I bet the price tag for a .300 hitting excellent defensive AS catcher, will be off the charts. Luhnow.... don't bite, unless you can unleash some more of your Jedi Mind Tricks.

If I recall correctly, the rumors last offseason were that the Marlins were demanding Tucker and Whitley in a deal for Realmuto. I wonder if the suspension and now the oblique issue with Whitley has scared the Marlins away from him. I also wonder if those issues...and the fact that the Astros have so many quality arms in the farm system....might make Luhnow more willing to include Whitley in a trade for Realmuto. 

There has not been a prospect in our system, including Bregman, McCullers and Correa that I was more sure would be a super star than Whitley.  So I would not trade Whitley straight up for Realmuto, not today, not tomorrow, not any day.  

[olpapa]

Jul 14, 2018 9:58:34 GMT -6 m240 said:

Jul 14, 2018 8:36:03 GMT -6 olpapa said:

If I recall correctly, the rumors last offseason were that the Marlins were demanding Tucker and Whitley in a deal for Realmuto. I wonder if the suspension and now the oblique issue with Whitley has scared the Marlins away from him. I also wonder if those issues...and the fact that the Astros have so many quality arms in the farm system....might make Luhnow more willing to include Whitley in a trade for Realmuto. 

There has not been a prospect in our system, including Bregman, McCullers and Correa that I was more sure would be a super star than Whitley.  So I would not trade Whitley straight up for Realmuto, not today, not tomorrow, not any day.  

If the Marlins decided to move Realmuto and Luhnow wants him, he can put together a very good package of prospects to send to the Marlins without including Whitley or Alvarez either. Few teams could match what Luhnow can offer.  

[abregmanfan]

Jul 14, 2018 9:58:34 GMT -6 m240 said:

Jul 14, 2018 8:36:03 GMT -6 olpapa said:

If I recall correctly, the rumors last offseason were that the Marlins were demanding Tucker and Whitley in a deal for Realmuto. I wonder if the suspension and now the oblique issue with Whitley has scared the Marlins away from him. I also wonder if those issues...and the fact that the Astros have so many quality arms in the farm system....might make Luhnow more willing to include Whitley in a trade for Realmuto. 

There has not been a prospect in our system, including Bregman, McCullers and Correa that I was more sure would be a super star than Whitley.  So I would not trade Whitley straight up for Realmuto, not today, not tomorrow, not any day.  

Agreed.

[marshall]

Jul 14, 2018 10:26:11 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Jul 14, 2018 9:58:34 GMT -6 m240 said:

There has not been a prospect in our system, including Bregman, McCullers and Correa that I was more sure would be a super star than Whitley.  So I would not trade Whitley straight up for Realmuto, not today, not tomorrow, not any day.  

Agreed.

Is that based on Observation, Skill Assessments or previous success? I honestly haven't seen much in the raw numbers that impresses me over other hot and cold  prospects. What am I missing?

[blcoach8]

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

[marshall]

Jul 14, 2018 10:40:14 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

Selling Owners haven't caught on to change in value of pending free agents. They still expect crazy trades.

[unionstation82]

Jul 14, 2018 10:40:14 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

I would normally agree, but Realmuto is better, faster, and controllable for a few years unlike Ramos.

[blcoach8]

Jul 14, 2018 10:44:14 GMT -6 marshall said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:40:14 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

Selling Owners haven't caught on to change in value of pending free agents. They still expect crazy trades.

The Orioles owner is a prime example.  I would like to add Britton and maybe Adam Jones but, Baltimore would probably demand Whitley in the deal and no way does that happen.

[m240]

Jul 14, 2018 10:30:36 GMT -6 marshall said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:26:11 GMT -6 abregmanfan said:

Agreed.

Is that based on Observation, Skill Assessments or previous success? I honestly haven't seen much in the raw numbers that impresses me over other hot and cold  prospects. What am I missing?

yes, all of the above.  He projects to be even better than he has demonstrated.  As far as just the raw numbers look at how they got better the older he got even up to the point where the oblique kicked in this year. 

[blcoach8]

Jul 14, 2018 10:50:44 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:40:14 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

I would normally agree, but Realmuto is better, faster, and controllable for a few years unlike Ramos.

i had rather have Realmuto for the long haul......just concerned about the price to get him.

[marshall]

Jul 14, 2018 11:32:26 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:50:44 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

I would normally agree, but Realmuto is better, faster, and controllable for a few years unlike Ramos.

i had rather have Realmuto for the long haul......just concerned about the price to get him.

Just mixing threads, I'm thinking that a trade for Ramos makes Stubbs the keeper, but a trade for Realmuto would make him expendable and keep Quitano for backup.

[thomasj13]

Jul 14, 2018 10:50:44 GMT -6 unionstation82 said:

Jul 14, 2018 10:40:14 GMT -6 blcoach8 said:

I think getting Ramos makes more sense than trading a lot of top prospects for Realmuto. We have Stubbs who should be ready in the near future. Re-signing Ramos for a year could be possible. Adding Ramos and relief help should be the main focus, but, I still think we need another bat.

I would normally agree, but Realmuto is better, faster, and controllable for a few years unlike Ramos.

Ramos is a rental....Stubbs should make the jump next year, so it should be the Law Firm of Stassi and Stubbs....