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Post by olpapa on Jul 23, 2018 20:17:53 GMT -6
Am I the only one that doesn't think Whitley should be "untouchable"? We have a great window of championship-caliber teams this year and next. If we can get pieces to bring another championship or two right now, I think you pull the trigger even if it involves a top prospect or two. I'm not saying throw Whitley or anybody else away for mediocrity, but if we can bring in a top player...do it. So many top prospects don't work out anyways.
trade targets. That's why I think we should go big for someone like Realmuto if we have the blue chips to deal that none of the other contenders doI agree. If we are going to trade a Whitley, Tucker or Alvarez, we should definitely be going after someone like Realmuto and not a rental. Maybe you can help me with this. If I recall correctly, last offseason the rumor was that the Marlins were asking for Tucker and/or Whitley and others in exchange for Realmuto. If Luhnow wouldn’t make that kind of trade for Realmuto, I just can’t see him doing it for Britton. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 23, 2018 20:22:36 GMT -6
Usually come trade deadline .. there's a top player available that's worthy of a top prospect. I don't think that's the case this year though with most of the available
trade targets. That's why I think we should go big for someone like Realmuto if we have the blue chips to deal that none of the other contenders do I agree. If we are going to trade a Whitley, Tucker or Alvarez, we should definitely be going after someone like Realmuto and not a rental. Maybe you can help me with this. If I recall correctly, last offseason the rumor was that the Marlins were asking for Tucker and/or Whitley and others in exchange for Realmuto. If Luhnow wouldn’t make that kind of trade for Realmuto, I just can’t see him doing it for Britton. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 23, 2018 20:34:20 GMT -6
Alright, worst case scenario: Britton is traded here for one of our top prospects. Would that change your view of Luhnow? It takes a whole lot of atta boys to make up for one aw $hit. Luhnow has enough saved up for one of those. The trade for Britton would of happened already if the Braves had not of jumped in and the Cubs upped their offer. I am pretty sure though we will get last look though as they liked what we offered last year except for Fisher's med report. By the way that is the second time his medicals shot him out of a trade. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 23, 2018 20:37:55 GMT -6
The good thing is, we can out-do a lot of teams' offers even without Tucker, Whitley and Alvarez.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 23, 2018 21:18:18 GMT -6
I agree. If we are going to trade a Whitley, Tucker or Alvarez, we should definitely be going after someone like Realmuto and not a rental. Maybe you can help me with this. If I recall correctly, last offseason the rumor was that the Marlins were asking for Tucker and/or Whitley and others in exchange for Realmuto. If Luhnow wouldn’t make that kind of trade for Realmuto, I just can’t see him doing it for Britton. I just went back and double checked the MLB.com Top 100 prospects list. Diaz is #84. I think he was the Dodgers #4 prospect at the time he was traded. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 23, 2018 21:24:04 GMT -6
I think Luhnow blew it. If a package with Yordan Alvarez could've landed Machado. It made all the sense in the world for us given the timetable of Correa's injury,
the nature of it and the rationale not to re-aggravate it by slotting him at DH for the rest of the season. So he can resume action on the diamond in 2019
We're talking about an impact bat that'd be the difference between winning the World Series and not
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 23, 2018 21:50:22 GMT -6
I think Luhnow blew it. If a package with Yordan Alvarez could've landed Machado. It made all the sense in the world for us given the timetable of Correa's injury,
the nature of it and the rationale not to re-aggravate it by slotting him at DH for the rest of the season. So he can resume action on the diamond in 2019
We're talking about an impact bat that'd be the difference between winning the World Series and not You think he was shy about shuffling the deck by adding Machado? Including Bregman, that’d be 3 SS and two wanting to be the starting infielder to the right of Altuve. But yeah, the injury to Correa makes me wonder why Luhnow wasn’t more aggressive in the pursuit of Machado. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 23, 2018 22:03:33 GMT -6
I think Lunhow has something up his sleave. I understand he wants Britton pretty badly. But o think he has another trick up his sleave to make this team even better..........
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2018 22:27:31 GMT -6
The good thing is, we can out-do a lot of teams' offers even without Tucker, Whitley and Alvarez. You just gave the reason we will probably get Britton. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2018 22:30:48 GMT -6
I think Luhnow blew it. If a package with Yordan Alvarez could've landed Machado. It made all the sense in the world for us given the timetable of Correa's injury,
the nature of it and the rationale not to re-aggravate it by slotting him at DH for the rest of the season. So he can resume action on the diamond in 2019
We're talking about an impact bat that'd be the difference between winning the World Series and not You think he was shy about shuffling the deck by adding Machado? Including Bregman, that’d be 3 SS and two wanting to be the starting infielder to the right of Altuve. But yeah, the injury to Correa makes me wonder why Luhnow wasn’t more aggressive in the pursuit of Machado. maybe he wasn't more aggressive on Machado because he is pretty sure Correa will be back in a reasonable amount of time and thinks we can deal with it until he returns. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 24, 2018 7:52:05 GMT -6
Zach Britton for Derek Fisher and David Paulino. I hate rentals but it looks close to what could happen. Fisher being the headliner with a pitching prospect to add. Wilson Ramos Is still on the Astros radar. Garrett Stubbs and Jandel Gustave. Looks pretty close to what the Astros would be willing to move. Kicker latest news is if the Astros get those 2 players they could still go get a arm?  And a OF. The reason they say arm is they might be looking at a SP with years of control.... key word is might.. Man the next couple of days are gonna be interesting |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 7:55:51 GMT -6
Man the next couple of days are gonna be interesting Next couple of days of the month? Knowing Luhnow, I am more interested what might happen in the last couple of seconds. Tell you what.... If the O's will give Luhnow his choice of someone in their #5-10 prospects as an add, I might bite. Tucker is too valuable to give up for a 3 or 4 month rental. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 24, 2018 8:11:04 GMT -6
Zach Britton for Derek Fisher and David Paulino. I hate rentals but it looks close to what could happen. Fisher being the headliner with a pitching prospect to add. Wilson Ramos Is still on the Astros radar. Garrett Stubbs and Jandel Gustave. Looks pretty close to what the Astros would be willing to move. Kicker latest news is if the Astros get those 2 players they could still go get a arm? And a OF. The reason they say arm is they might be looking at a SP with years of control.... key word is might.. Man the next couple of days are gonna be interesting I mentioned a couple weeks ago how Luhnow-esque it would be to go the route of trading for SP, implausible as it seems to the general fanbase. It's looking like more of a possibility now. Ideally, I'd like to see Castellanos and Iglesias become Astros, with Marwin getting traded/benched in favor of White. I can't see the need to get Abreu when White is already a better, cheaper version of him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 24, 2018 8:11:30 GMT -6
Zach Britton for Derek Fisher and David Paulino. I hate rentals but it looks close to what could happen. Fisher being the headliner with a pitching prospect to add. Wilson Ramos Is still on the Astros radar. Garrett Stubbs and Jandel Gustave. Looks pretty close to what the Astros would be willing to move. Kicker latest news is if the Astros get those 2 players they could still go get a arm? And a OF. The reason they say arm is they might be looking at a SP with years of control.... key word is might.. Man the next couple of days are gonna be interesting Once again, could you tell us your source, please? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2018 8:15:45 GMT -6
Zach Britton for Derek Fisher and David Paulino. I hate rentals but it looks close to what could happen. Fisher being the headliner with a pitching prospect to add. Wilson Ramos Is still on the Astros radar. Garrett Stubbs and Jandel Gustave. Looks pretty close to what the Astros would be willing to move. Kicker latest news is if the Astros get those 2 players they could still go get a arm? And a OF. The reason they say arm is they might be looking at a SP with years of control.... key word is might.. Man the next couple of days are gonna be interesting I mentioned a couple weeks ago how Luhnow-esque it would be to go the route of trading for SP, implausible as it seems to the general fanbase. It's looking like more of a possibility now. Ideally, I'd like to see Castellanos and Iglesias become Astros, with Marwin getting traded/benched in favor of White. I can't see the need to get Abreu when White is already a better, cheaper version of him. I like Castelllanos and Iglesius and getting rid of Marwin and Giles would be addition by subtraction. For the life of me, I don't understand why you like Tyler White. He is a right-handed AJ Reed and neither will ever help our team. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 24, 2018 9:16:18 GMT -6
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 24, 2018 10:05:59 GMT -6
I think Luhnow blew it. If a package with Yordan Alvarez could've landed Machado. It made all the sense in the world for us given the timetable of Correa's injury,
the nature of it and the rationale not to re-aggravate it by slotting him at DH for the rest of the season. So he can resume action on the diamond in 2019
We're talking about an impact bat that'd be the difference between winning the World Series and not You think he was shy about shuffling the deck by adding Machado? Including Bregman, that’d be 3 SS and two wanting to be the starting infielder to the right of Altuve. But yeah, the injury to Correa makes me wonder why Luhnow wasn’t more aggressive in the pursuit of Machado.
up the joint. I don't get it
btw I think the injury happened when Correa was on defense. It's hard for him to get low; he fields grounders with his waist bent 90 degrees. I think he tweaked something
on a routine grounder. You rarely see him hit the ground to field those.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 24, 2018 10:17:12 GMT -6
You think he was shy about shuffling the deck by adding Machado? Including Bregman, that’d be 3 SS and two wanting to be the starting infielder to the right of Altuve. But yeah, the injury to Correa makes me wonder why Luhnow wasn’t more aggressive in the pursuit of Machado.
up the joint. I don't get it
btw I think the injury happened when Correa was on defense. It's hard for him to get low; he fields grounders with his waist bent 90 degrees. I think he tweaked something
on a routine grounder. You rarely see him hit the ground to field those.
He’s kind of a tin man out there. Even when he runs, he’s unusually upright in form. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 24, 2018 10:22:53 GMT -6
Most of what is being said is on mlb network.
The pot has been sweetened by the Astros and yankees
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 24, 2018 11:12:04 GMT -6
Most of what is being said is on mlb network. The pot has been sweetened by the Astros and yankees l think we need him more than the Yankees and should be able to come up with a better offer. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 24, 2018 11:14:57 GMT -6
Of the teams I have seen rumored to be interested in dealing for Britton,the Yankees are the only team that has a strong enough farm system that they can outbid the Astros. If they weaken their farm system by way overpaying in order to keep the Astros from getting Britton, that’s ok with me. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 24, 2018 11:17:32 GMT -6
I would not count out the Astros taking on Adam Jones in the deal either. A two birds one stone trade.
That would be really interesting
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2018 11:22:37 GMT -6
The Os are reluctant to use Britton any more (per reports) before trading him. That leads me to believe that the urgency has been upped and that they have asked for final offers so I would expect a trade to happen within the next 24-36 hours.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 24, 2018 11:24:17 GMT -6
I would not count out the Astros taking on Adam Jones in the deal either. A two birds one stone trade. That would be really interesting That would not surprise me either. I would be interested to see how much Adam Jones’ play would improve if he suddenly finds himself on a team that has a chance to win a championship. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 24, 2018 11:25:08 GMT -6
The Os are reluctant to use Britton any more (per reports) before trading him. That leads me to believe that the urgency has been upped and that they have asked for final offers so I would expect a trade to happen within the next 24-36 hours. I agree. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 24, 2018 11:25:44 GMT -6
Again look at Adam Jones being apart of this trade. This is an ideal player that could sweeten this offer from the Astros.
Jones would be awesome out in CF moving Springer over. Wouldnt be bad of an idea.
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Post by m240 on Jul 24, 2018 11:33:39 GMT -6
Jones is expensive but does fill a hole. Yankees do not need him though so it would be an apples and oranges type of comparison.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 24, 2018 11:35:42 GMT -6
Right now all the talk seems to be about the Astros trading for Britton. I’ve gotta tell you though, considering Correa’s back issues, I’m not sure that getting another productive bat isn’t a more pressing need for the team right now. Our farm system is loaded with quality arms who are near ML ready. Quality near ML ready bats? Not so much.
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Post by Saint on Jul 24, 2018 11:39:28 GMT -6
Again look at Adam Jones being apart of this trade. This is an ideal player that could sweeten this offer from the Astros. Jones would be awesome out in CF moving Springer over. Wouldnt be bad of an idea. Except that Jones is garbage in CF now. He would need to be a LFer at this point to maximize his value if we traded for him. I don't see why we would want him though. He's barely a better hitter than Marwin this season. Kemp is better than him at everything at this point (except HR production). |
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Post by Saint on Jul 24, 2018 11:40:57 GMT -6
Right now all the talk seems to be about the Astros trading for Britton. I’ve gotta tell you though, considering Correa’s back issues, I’m not sure that getting another productive bat isn’t a more pressing need for the team right now. Our farm system is loaded with quality arms who are near ML ready. Quality near ML ready bats? Not so much. They can't continue to use Marwin at SS full-time, imo. Leave Bregman there, and utilize Gurriel or Davis/White (or trade for a good 3B or 1B). |
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And a OF. The reason they say arm is they might be looking at a SP with years of control.... key word is might..
