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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 25, 2018 13:17:23 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 13:44:21 GMT -6
Why realmuto would help this team?
1. It would mean guys like McCann and Gattis and there combined 24m could be off the books next year for good.(they may bring Gattis back)
2. The offensive production from the Catching department would be more rounded and it wouldnt be almost a gimmie out. Not saying Stassi is.
3. Stassi would do better in a back up role.
4. Gettimg Realmuto today gives him a chance to learn from McCann and Stassi about pitch framing. Something he would most definitely need to work on.
5. Def that is all.
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 13:48:21 GMT -6
Why realmuto would help this team? 1. It would mean guys like McCann and Gattis and there combined 24m could be off the books next year for good.(they may bring Gattis back) 2. The offensive production from the Catching department would be more rounded and it wouldnt be almost a gimmie out. Not saying Stassi is. 3. Stassi would do better in a back up role. 4. Gettimg Realmuto today gives him a chance to learn from McCann and Stassi about pitch framing. Something he would most definitely need to work on. 5. Def that is all. They wouldn't bring McCann back anyways, and Gattis isn't catching so that's a non-factor. It comes down to giving up multiple top prospects for Realmuto, or giving Stubbs a chance for free. The only question that matters past this year: Would a tandem of Stassi/Stubbs give enough production compared to Realmuto/Stassi considering we also keep all our high level prospects? Stassi/Stubbs/Prospects or Realmuto/Stassi? Prospects don't always pay off but they could be used for other deals, and catchers have limited shelf life and are always a leg injury away from virtual uselessness. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 13:50:30 GMT -6
I doubt Iglesias will be moved but a case for a bull pen arm or 2
1. When the bats get cold that pen has to hold it down. It has been known to shoot themselves in the foot
2. Theres at least 4 guys with above 4 Era and have seemingly lost there way o. What to do. There is no lock down closer.
3. We cant trot out the same 3 guys over and over again all threw the play offs different looks for different situations.
4. Do you trust Harris, Guaduan, Giles or Perez to go into a meaningful game and shit down idk Judge,Stanton and DiDi???
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 13:55:10 GMT -6
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They wouldn't bring McCann back anyways, and Gattis isn't catching so that's a non-factor. It comes down to giving up multiple top prospects for Realmuto, or giving Stubbs a chance for free.
The only question that matters past this year:
Would a tandem of Stassi/Stubbs give enough production compared to Realmuto/Stassi considering we also keep all our high level prospects? Stassi/Stubbs/Prospects or Realmuto/Stassi?
Prospects don't always pay off but they could be used for other deals, and catchers have limited shelf life and are always a leg injury away from virtual uselessness.[/quote]
You never know if they would or wouldn't bring back McCann unless its publicly said they wont dont count it out.
I understand Gattis is a none issue but he can still catch.
I would sacrifice Tucker or Alveraz for a premium position. Catcher is harder to find then OF.
Would I sacrifice Whitley? NO I believe we would need him.
But Realmuto and Conley for Alveraz, Stubbs and 3 more prospects I would jump at it
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 13:55:15 GMT -6
I doubt Iglesias will be moved but a case for a bull pen arm or 2 1. When the bats get cold that pen has to hold it down. It has been known to shoot themselves in the foot 2. Theres at least 4 guys with above 4 Era and have seemingly lost there way o. What to do. There is no lock down closer. 3. We cant trot out the same 3 guys over and over again all threw the play offs different looks for different situations. 4. Do you trust Harris, Guaduan, Giles or Perez to go into a meaningful game and shit down idk Judge,Stanton and DiDi??? No, but I don't trust any pitcher to successfully shut them down every time. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 25, 2018 13:59:15 GMT -6
Our competition to go to the world series will most likely be Boston, New York, Cleveland, and Oakland. Our record against this group of folks so far this year is 17-14. All of these guys just got better at the trade deadline. Before the improvement it looked like a tough row to hoe before their relative trades. Now it looks like we will need to dig out the rabbits feet baring a couple of trades.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 14:01:53 GMT -6
Our competition to go to the world series will most likely be Boston, New York, Cleveland, and Oakland. Our record against this group of folks so far this year is 17-14. All of these guys just got better at the trade deadline. Before the improvement it looked like a tough row to hoe before their relative trades. Now it looks like we will need to dig out the rabbits feet baring a couple of trades. Exactly. It’s not about thinking the Astros aren’t a good team. It’s about not being idle while the competition is improving. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 14:08:09 GMT -6
Making moves just to make moves doesn't help the team. Make moves that make sense.
I'm all for being a little greedy, but it needs to be for true upgrades at reasonable cost.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 14:09:23 GMT -6
Making moves just to make moves doesn't help the team. Make moves that make sense. I'm all for being a little greedy, but it needs to be for true upgrades at reasonable cost. So, I guess we agree on Britton then? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 14:14:15 GMT -6
Making moves just to make moves doesn't help the team. Make moves that make sense. I'm all for being a little greedy, but it needs to be for true upgrades at reasonable cost. So, I guess we agree on Britton then? Yeah I was good with Britto. He wasn't too expensive and was seemingly a clear upgrade over Harris at least. I'm okay with Realmuto too, but which Realmuto do you get? 2018 Realmuto or pre-2018 Realmuto and for how many good prospects? Have to factor all that in. Stassi is better than pre-2018 Realmuto and costs us nothing. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 25, 2018 14:17:07 GMT -6
Our competition to go to the world series will most likely be Boston, New York, Cleveland, and Oakland. Our record against this group of folks so far this year is 17-14. All of these guys just got better at the trade deadline. Before the improvement it looked like a tough row to hoe before their relative trades. Now it looks like we will need to dig out the rabbits feet baring a couple of trades. If things keep going like they have been I would think the Astros would play Cleveland in the ALDS while Boston plays the WC winner, either NYY or Oakland. Frankly that may be the best matchup for the Astros in the ALDS. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 14:17:10 GMT -6
So, I guess we agree on Britton then? Yeah I was good with Britto. He wasn't too expensive and was seemingly a clear upgrade over Harris at least. I'm okay with Realmuto too, but which Realmuto do you get? 2018 Realmuto or pre-2018 Realmuto and for how many good prospects? Have to factor all that in. Stassi is better than pre-2018 Realmuto and costs us nothing. I meant we agree on not overspending for him. Realmuto would be more worthwhile. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 14:26:11 GMT -6
Our competition to go to the world series will most likely be Boston, New York, Cleveland, and Oakland. Our record against this group of folks so far this year is 17-14. All of these guys just got better at the trade deadline. Before the improvement it looked like a tough row to hoe before their relative trades. Now it looks like we will need to dig out the rabbits feet baring a couple of trades. If things keep going like they have been I would think the Astros would play Cleveland in the ALDS while Boston plays the WC winner, either NYY or Oakland. Frankly that may be the best matchup for the Astros in the ALDS. Yup, and if the Yanks can take out the Red Sox again then we'd still have home field advantage regardless of their record  |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 14:34:37 GMT -6
Yeah I was good with Britto. He wasn't too expensive and was seemingly a clear upgrade over Harris at least. I'm okay with Realmuto too, but which Realmuto do you get? 2018 Realmuto or pre-2018 Realmuto and for how many good prospects? Have to factor all that in. Stassi is better than pre-2018 Realmuto and costs us nothing. I meant we agree on not overspending for him. Realmuto would be more worthwhile. Yes, I wouldn't overspend for Britton. I would overspend for a proven player. Realmuto has been a solid catcher even before this year, but I wouldn't overspend for his production prior to this season. Catchers and relief pitchers are risky acquisitions, imo. I'd much rather go after a rental catcher upgrade than a long-term expensive investment. That's why I was always interested in Ramos. At this point, I think we need: 1. A proven power bat that can drive in runs consistently. I don't care so much about their defense or position. We can platoon, DH, shuffle, whatever. But I want to get a proven bat. Realmuto isn't quite there for me. I like Bour, I think Abreu can bounce back, Jose Martinez is a possibility, even Moustakas could be beneficial (Bregman can play SS until Correa gets back, and then we can rest Correa on and off even when he is back. Plus he Moustakas could DH.)or 2. A versatile player that can fill Marwin's spot after this season AND be effective this season (Merrifield). or 3. A pure rental catcher upgrade. Gamble on Ramos being healthy. and 4. A reliever (or even a starter) that is worth overspending for. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 14:36:13 GMT -6
Our competition to go to the world series will most likely be Boston, New York, Cleveland, and Oakland. Our record against this group of folks so far this year is 17-14. All of these guys just got better at the trade deadline. Before the improvement it looked like a tough row to hoe before their relative trades. Now it looks like we will need to dig out the rabbits feet baring a couple of trades. Exactly. It’s not about thinking the Astros aren’t a good team. It’s about not being idle while the competition is improving. Once again, Luhnow WAITS.....AND WAITS.........AND WAITS. If he trades for some half-assed reliever, he blew it.he traded for TWO half-assed pitchers about this time last year. I would gladly trade White, Fisher, Stubbs, and Paulino for Realmuto. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 14:37:34 GMT -6
Why the heck is Marwin still in at SS? Put Bregman and Gurriel on the left side and Davis at 1B. Anything is worth trying at this point.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -6
Why the heck is Marwin still in at SS? Put Bregman and Gurriel on the left side and Davis at 1B. Anything is worth trying at this point. Hinch will play Marwin at SS most of the time until Correa returns. Apparently, he can't see that this guy who has slopped around this year isn't close to the same player as last season. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 25, 2018 14:46:32 GMT -6
blcoach8 Waits? Son, hes been all over the news in trade discussions with teams for the last month or more.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 25, 2018 14:47:31 GMT -6
Why realmuto would help this team? 1. It would mean guys like McCann and Gattis and there combined 24m could be off the books next year for good.(they may bring Gattis back) 2. The offensive production from the Catching department would be more rounded and it wouldnt be almost a gimmie out. Not saying Stassi is. 3. Stassi would do better in a back up role. 4. Gettimg Realmuto today gives him a chance to learn from McCann and Stassi about pitch framing. Something he would most definitely need to work on. 5. Def that is all. They wouldn't bring McCann back anyways, and Gattis isn't catching so that's a non-factor. It comes down to giving up multiple top prospects for Realmuto, or giving Stubbs a chance for free. The only question that matters past this year: Would a tandem of Stassi/Stubbs give enough production compared to Realmuto/Stassi considering we also keep all our high level prospects? Stassi/Stubbs/Prospects or Realmuto/Stassi? Prospects don't always pay off but they could be used for other deals, and catchers have limited shelf life and are always a leg injury away from virtual uselessness. Never try to be logical with the illogical |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 14:48:29 GMT -6
Exactly. It’s not about thinking the Astros aren’t a good team. It’s about not being idle while the competition is improving. Once again, Luhnow WAITS.....AND WAITS.........AND WAITS. If he trades for some half-assed reliever, he blew it.he traded for TWO half-assed pitchers about this time last year. I would gladly trade White, Fisher, Stubbs, and Paulino for Realmuto. If you would gladly trade them, what makes you think somebody would gladly take them for their good players? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 25, 2018 14:49:43 GMT -6
blcoach8 Waits? Son, hes been all over the news in trade discussions with teams for the last month or more. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 14:55:36 GMT -6
blcoach8 Waits? Son, hes been all over the news in trade discussions with teams for the last month or more. Discussions ain't adding help to the pen...pull the trigger.......it's time to crap or get off the pot. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 25, 2018 14:57:59 GMT -6
Once again, Luhnow WAITS.....AND WAITS.........AND WAITS. If he trades for some half-assed reliever, he blew it.he traded for TWO half-assed pitchers about this time last year. I would gladly trade White, Fisher, Stubbs, and Paulino for Realmuto. If you would gladly trade them, what makes you think somebody would gladly take them for their good players? What males you think they won't? I said trade those FOUR for Realmuto. We are giving a first baseman, outfielder, pitcher, and our best young catching prospect for Realmuto. Sounds reasonable to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 14:59:58 GMT -6
If you would gladly trade them, what makes you think somebody would gladly take them for their good players? What males you think they won't? I said trade those FOUR for Realmuto. We are giving a first baseman, outfielder, pitcher, and our best young catching prospect for Realmuto. Sounds reasonable to me. Coach... you get pretty riled up during July trade season don't you......  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 25, 2018 15:06:18 GMT -6
Once again, Luhnow WAITS.....AND WAITS.........AND WAITS. If he trades for some half-assed reliever, he blew it.he traded for TWO half-assed pitchers about this time last year. I would gladly trade White, Fisher, Stubbs, and Paulino for Realmuto. If you would gladly trade them, what makes you think somebody would gladly take them for their good players? ***** |
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:07:47 GMT -6
For those interested in why we're not just overspending for bullpen help:
Bullpen-only team numbers compared to all of baseball:
2nd in ERA at 2.92
2nd in BAA at .214
2nd in OPS against at .619
1st in WHIP at 1.04
2nd in K/9 at 10.73
1st in K/BB at 4.65
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Post by Saint on Jul 25, 2018 15:11:19 GMT -6
If you would gladly trade them, what makes you think somebody would gladly take them for their good players? What males you think they won't? I said trade those FOUR for Realmuto. We are giving a first baseman, outfielder, pitcher, and our best young catching prospect for Realmuto. Sounds reasonable to me. Quantity doesn't always mean quality. You yourself thinks White is garbage. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 25, 2018 15:16:03 GMT -6
Any trade involving Realmuto cost Tucker or Alveraz simple as that then u can run down 4 threw 30 of which ever prospects from there. You might be able to get value on Reed White and Davis.
But a solid trade for Realmuto and u can pull two bullpen arms this team would be way better.
As far as proven bats. If there batting under .250 at the moment or close to batting that I wouldnt call them proven. I'd call them middle of the pack.
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