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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 16:22:15 GMT -6
No, I can't tell you that. I can just tell you the facts and stats regarding his baseball performance. I'm not sure why stating statistical evidence gets some of y'all so butthurt. I didn't make some of those guys hits worse than Stassi. They just are and I'm pointing it out. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth right now. And I never said Maldonado was a problem. It's just not anything special. He's depth and a replacement for Fed. He can barely hit and his framing metrics are not good this year. But, he does have a good arm and pitchers like him. It's just a "meh" deal. I don't think it makes us better or worse but I hope for the best. I think he makes us better. Only time will tell. I still think we add another bat and maybe a bullpen piece. i agree and I would not be surprised if we add 2 pieces to the pen.........Herrera and Doolittle would be nice.  |
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 16:22:39 GMT -6
No, I can't tell you that. I can just tell you the facts and stats regarding his baseball performance. I'm not sure why stating statistical evidence gets some of y'all so butthurt. I didn't make some of those guys hits worse than Stassi. They just are and I'm pointing it out. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth right now. And I never said Maldonado was a problem. It's just not anything special. He's depth and a replacement for Fed. He can barely hit and his framing metrics are not good this year. But, he does have a good arm and pitchers like him. It's just a "meh" deal. I don't think it makes us better or worse but I hope for the best. I think Maldonado's presence will be felt from the pitching staff more than anything. You may see our pitchers becoming more confident throwing certain out pitches knowing they have an experienced play caller behind the plate. One that can gun down a threat stealing as well.
As I stated earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if his bat plays as well with runners on to extend an inning.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 16:27:10 GMT -6
No, I can't tell you that. I can just tell you the facts and stats regarding his baseball performance. I'm not sure why stating statistical evidence gets some of y'all so butthurt. I didn't make some of those guys hits worse than Stassi. They just are and I'm pointing it out. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth right now. And I never said Maldonado was a problem. It's just not anything special. He's depth and a replacement for Fed. He can barely hit and his framing metrics are not good this year. But, he does have a good arm and pitchers like him. It's just a "meh" deal. I don't think it makes us better or worse but I hope for the best. OPS should be included in evaluating a hitter, but, should not be the sole or most important factor. Run production, hitting with runners in scoring position, etc. are important. For someone to imply that Stassi is a better or more productive hitter than Gurriel is just plain absurd. I don't care what Stassi's OPS is......he is not a better or more productive hitter than Yuli, who leads the majors in batting average with runners in scoring position. I have noticed that Saint has yet to post Stassi's numbers in that area. A good example of Stassi's value as a hitter came last night in his final plate appearance.......he stood their like a statue and took three pitches in the middle of the zone and then walked back to the dugout. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 16:29:45 GMT -6
I think Maldonado's presence will be felt from the pitching staff more than anything. You may see our pitchers becoming more confident throwing certain out pitches knowing they have an experienced play caller behind the plate. One that can gun down a threat stealing as well.
As I stated earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if his bat plays as well with runners on to extend an inning.
I hope so. Maybe Verlander will appreciate it at least. It's obvious that him and Stassi aren't on the same wavelength. Really?? Just because Stassi goes to the mound to talk to Verlander doesn't mean they are not on the same wavelength. I think the presence of Maldonado is a plus for the entire pitching staff. He also has a superior arm to any catcher we have had in a long time. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 17:00:03 GMT -6
No, I can't tell you that. I can just tell you the facts and stats regarding his baseball performance. I'm not sure why stating statistical evidence gets some of y'all so butthurt. I didn't make some of those guys hits worse than Stassi. They just are and I'm pointing it out. You don't have to like it, but it's the truth right now. And I never said Maldonado was a problem. It's just not anything special. He's depth and a replacement for Fed. He can barely hit and his framing metrics are not good this year. But, he does have a good arm and pitchers like him. It's just a "meh" deal. I don't think it makes us better or worse but I hope for the best. One of the biggest arguments made for Joke earlier this year was that he had a good OPS...at the same time, he was striking out 50% of the time and playing worse baseball than any other player in the league...but his mullet-loving fanboys were constantly "bruh, OPS!!!HUH" |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jul 26, 2018 17:30:31 GMT -6
Fresh out the gate
Herrera, Doolittle, Eaton and Murphy
All in play to be traded.
Harper is a long shot but according to some sources it's at about 40% chance to be moved and it would be to a AL team.
And according to same source the Oakland A's would be the perfect fit
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 26, 2018 17:41:14 GMT -6
Harper would be great for the A’s because they’re notorious renters and have nothing to lose. If they get him, then the Astros better be worried.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 18:05:54 GMT -6
OPS isn't a good way to judge a hitter One of the biggest arguments made for Joke earlier this year was that he had a good OPS...at the same time, he was striking out 50% of the time and playing worse baseball than any other player in the league...but his mullet-loving fanboys were constantly "bruh, OPS!!!HUH" WE WANT JAKE!! WE WANT JAKE!! |
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:10:25 GMT -6
OPS isn't a good way to judge a hitter OPS should be included in evaluating a hitter, but, should not be the sole or most important factor. Run production, hitting with runners in scoring position, etc. are important. For someone to imply that Stassi is a better or more productive hitter than Gurriel is just plain absurd. I don't care what Stassi's OPS is......he is not a better or more productive hitter than Yuli, who leads the majors in batting average with runners in scoring position. I have noticed that Saint has yet to post Stassi's numbers in that area. A good example of Stassi's value as a hitter came last night in his final plate appearance.......he stood their like a statue and took three pitches in the middle of the zone and then walked back to the dugout. I never saw you ask for Stassi RISP numbers. He is hitting .350 with an OPS over 1.100. Is that good? I think that's good.... It's actually a better OPS than Gurriel with RISP. But hey, who cares about numbers right? He needs more RBI!!!! |
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:13:14 GMT -6
OPS isn't a good way to judge a hitter One of the biggest arguments made for Joke earlier this year was that he had a good OPS...at the same time, he was striking out 50% of the time and playing worse baseball than any other player in the league...but his mullet-loving fanboys were constantly "bruh, OPS!!!HUH" Like WAR, OPS isn't any kind of end all. But it's a pretty a good measure of offensive production. I guess I need to know what outdated or overrated stat this board approves of to use in debates. Is it just AVG and RBI? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 18:14:24 GMT -6
OPS should be included in evaluating a hitter, but, should not be the sole or most important factor. Run production, hitting with runners in scoring position, etc. are important. For someone to imply that Stassi is a better or more productive hitter than Gurriel is just plain absurd. I don't care what Stassi's OPS is......he is not a better or more productive hitter than Yuli, who leads the majors in batting average with runners in scoring position. I have noticed that Saint has yet to post Stassi's numbers in that area. A good example of Stassi's value as a hitter came last night in his final plate appearance.......he stood their like a statue and took three pitches in the middle of the zone and then walked back to the dugout. I never saw you ask for Stassi RISP numbers. He is hitting .350 with an OPS over 1.100. Is that good? I think that's good.... It's actually a better OPS than Gurriel with RISP. But hey, who cares about numbers right? He needs more RBI!!!! Right.....Stassi is not a better hitter than Yuli no matter how twist it. You seem to think "numbers" is all you need.....i disagree. I go by what I see more than numbers. What I have SEEN is Gurriel drive in runs when needed. I don't need OPS to tell me that. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:19:06 GMT -6
I never saw you ask for Stassi RISP numbers. He is hitting .350 with an OPS over 1.100. Is that good? I think that's good.... It's actually a better OPS than Gurriel with RISP. But hey, who cares about numbers right? He needs more RBI!!!! Right.....Stassi is not a better hitter than Yuli no matter how twist it. You seem to think "numbers" is all you need.....i disagree. I go by what I see more than numbers. What I have SEEN is Gurriel drive in runs when needed. I don't need OPS to tell me that. Ah there we go. When you disagree with the numbers...facts...just throw out the "well I know baseball and I can see true talent". Glad our GM does not do that. Numbers and our use of following metrics has helped make this team what it is. Numbers aren't everything, hustle and intangibles have their place. But ignoring proven value and failing to adapt to new and improved metrics will keep people from succeeding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 18:35:50 GMT -6
One of the biggest arguments made for Joke earlier this year was that he had a good OPS...at the same time, he was striking out 50% of the time and playing worse baseball than any other player in the league...but his mullet-loving fanboys were constantly "bruh, OPS!!!HUH" Like WAR, OPS isn't any kind of end all. But it's a pretty a good measure of offensive production. I guess I need to know what outdated or overrated stat this board approves of to use in debates. Is it just AVG and RBI? I am all about clutch stats but you have to go further in the #s to compare Stassi and Yuli
Yuli in 84 ABs with runners in scoring position has only 9 ks, 50 RBIs, 6 BBs with .440 avg Stassi in 40 ABs with runners in scoring position has 10 ks, 17 RBIs, 7 BBs with .350 avg
Both are good but Yuli is consistently better at driving in the run with a less chance of striking out (while Stassi has a 25% k rate)
Where you get the difference is with 2 outs and scoring position
Yuli 29 ABs, 14 RBIs, 1 BB, 4 ks .448 avg 1.070 OPS Stassi 12 ABs, 4 RBIs, 2 BBs, 2 ks .250 avg .983 OPS
Yuli is clearly the better overall player in the clutch with twice as many opportunities. Of course Stassi does look pretty decent in this area as well but I'll take a 50% RBI rate over 33%
Where Stassi goes wrong is leading off an inning or with none on in general. Normally I do not put much stock in this stat but his is absolutely pathetic, 103 ABs .194 avg 39 ks, .637 OPS.
When leading off an inning it's even worse 48 ABs, .104 avg 18 ks, .412 OPS
Why is there such a difference.
Yuli is also equally disparaging for a lefty or righty pitcher. while Stassi has obviously been better against lefties despite the fewer ABs. At home Stassi is also a .179 hitter and at night .212 avg. That's where he'd play most of his games
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 18:41:28 GMT -6
Bruh! OBP! HUHU
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:44:01 GMT -6
Like WAR, OPS isn't any kind of end all. But it's a pretty a good measure of offensive production. I guess I need to know what outdated or overrated stat this board approves of to use in debates. Is it just AVG and RBI? I am all about clutch stats but you have to go further in the #s to compare Stassi and Yuli
Yuli in 84 ABs with runners in scoring position has only 9 ks, 50 RBIs, 6 BBs with .440 avg Stassi in 40 ABs with runners in scoring position has 10 ks, 17 RBIs, 7 BBs with .350 avg
Both are good but Yuli is consistently better at driving in the run with a less chance of striking out (while Stassi has a 25% k rate)
Where you get the difference is with 2 outs and scoring position
Yuli 29 ABs, 14 RBIs, 1 BB, 4 ks .448 avg 1.070 OPS Stassi 12 ABs, 4 RBIs, 2 BBs, 2 ks .250 avg .983 OPS
Yuli is clearly the better overall player in the clutch with twice as many opportunities. Of course Stassi does look pretty decent in this area as well but I'll take a 50% RBI rate over 33%
Where Stassi goes wrong is leading off an inning or with none on in general. Normally I do not put much stock in this stat but his is absolutely pathetic, 103 ABs .194 avg 39 ks, .637 OPS.
When leading off an inning it's even worse 48 ABs, .104 avg 18 ks, .412 OPS
Why is there such a difference.
Yuli is also equally disparaging for a lefty or righty pitcher. while Stassi has obviously been better against lefties despite the fewer ABs. At home Stassi is also a .179 hitter and at night .212 avg. That's where he'd play most of his games
Sure, we all know Gurriel is one of the best hitters in baseball with RISP, but Stassi is damn good too, and his overall percentages are a little better. I don't think one is much better than the other all things considered, but saying Stassi is garbage and we need a new costly main catcher is completely inaccurate. He's been a very solid player for us. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 26, 2018 18:44:41 GMT -6
OPS isn't a good way to judge a hitter One of the biggest arguments made for Joke earlier this year was that he had a good OPS...at the same time, he was striking out 50% of the time and playing worse baseball than any other player in the league...but his mullet-loving fanboys were constantly "bruh, OPS!!!HUH"
Jake did NOT have a good OPS when he struck out the 40th time in early May and was the league's worst player. It was somewhere in the 500s |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 18:47:16 GMT -6
You'd probably find very few posts by me even mentioning any stats. Especially the "new" stats, most of which I dont even know what they are.
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:48:21 GMT -6
You'd probably find very few posts by me even mentioning any stats. Especially the "new" stats, most of which I dont even know what they are. So just because you don't know what they are they have no value in a debate? 🤣 |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 18:52:12 GMT -6
Again, very few posts from me totally discounting any stats. What I consistently discount is when people (you, mostly) point out a single stat that happens to makes your favorite player look good, when the world can see that he sucks ass. (Jake's "WAR", from a few weeks ago when he was the worst player in baseball)
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:54:36 GMT -6
Again, very few posts from me totally discounting any stats. What I consistently discount is when people (you, mostly) point out a single stat that happens to makes your favorite player look good, when the world can see that he sucks ass. (Jake's "WAR", from a few weeks ago when he was the worst player in baseball) I'm not using them to say it proves they're good. I'm using it to show they have value beyond the surface numbers and shouldn't be discounted without more analysis. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 18:58:52 GMT -6
It's easy to say, well Jake strikes out a lot and is only hitting .240 (or whatever), but what else does he bring that is beneficial? How can we use him to make us better?
Sometimes there is more to the players if we use them in the right situations. Too many fans jump to the big name or the easy stat rather than looking more into what they can get if they utilize their players better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 18:59:01 GMT -6
Jay, I think you are the HAL 9000 of the Astros baseball stats contingent.
Glad no one here is named Dave.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 26, 2018 19:02:04 GMT -6
Stassi has been a solid player for us. We're just defending him from the nonsensical onslaughts this afternoon that's all .. using the same stats the Stassi-hater asked
us to use. Now he doesn't want to use stats anymore to evaluate him
Stassi's nobody's favorite
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 19:02:48 GMT -6
That's a good way of putting it.
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Post by Saint on Jul 26, 2018 19:03:03 GMT -6
Hamels is a Cub.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 19:07:08 GMT -6
It's easy to say, well Jake strikes out a lot and is only hitting .240 (or whatever), It was more like .140  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 19:09:12 GMT -6
Right.....Stassi is not a better hitter than Yuli no matter how twist it. You seem to think "numbers" is all you need.....i disagree. I go by what I see more than numbers. What I have SEEN is Gurriel drive in runs when needed. I don't need OPS to tell me that. Ah there we go. When you disagree with the numbers...facts...just throw out the "well I know baseball and I can see true talent". Glad our GM does not do that. Numbers and our use of following metrics has helped make this team what it is. Numbers aren't everything, hustle and intangibles have their place. But ignoring proven value and failing to adapt to new and improved metrics will keep people from succeeding. many of us have been around long enough to remember when every decision wasn't made because some damn stat said it was the best thing to do. I see value in the defensive shifts employed by many teams, Houston more than most. On many occasions, the shift gets us outs we would not have if we had not used it. The shift also gives opposing hitters cheap hits at times that would have resulted in outs if the shift was not being used. You cannot go soley by any stats and predictions to make all of your decisions. I am not saying that OPS. WAR, etc. are not useful stats, but, I am saying that basing every move you make regarding a lineup on a couple of stats is not the best thing to do. I also get tired of hearing about exit velocity, launch angle, hit probability, etc. If a guy hits a home run, I could care less about its angle of elevation, projected distance, etc. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 26, 2018 19:09:49 GMT -6
Oh hell, I wanted an AL team to get him so we could hammer him some more |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 26, 2018 19:17:13 GMT -6
Stassi has been a solid player for us. We're just defending him from the nonsensical onslaughts this afternoon that's all .. using the same stats the Stassi-hater asked
us to use. Now he doesn't want to use stats anymore to evaluate him
Stassi's nobody's favorite Who is the Stassi hater? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 26, 2018 19:20:04 GMT -6
Stassi has been a solid player for us. We're just defending him from the nonsensical onslaughts this afternoon that's all .. using the same stats the Stassi-hater asked
us to use. Now he doesn't want to use stats anymore to evaluate him
Stassi's nobody's favorite Who is the Stassi hater? |
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