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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 8:16:34 GMT -6
OPS should be included in evaluating a hitter, but, should not be the sole or most important factor. Run production, hitting with runners in scoring position, etc. are important. For someone to imply that Stassi is a better or more productive hitter than Gurriel is just plain absurd. I don't care what Stassi's OPS is......he is not a better or more productive hitter than Yuli, who leads the majors in batting average with runners in scoring position. I have noticed that Saint has yet to post Stassi's numbers in that area. A good example of Stassi's value as a hitter came last night in his final plate appearance.......he stood their like a statue and took three pitches in the middle of the zone and then walked back to the dugout. OPS was a big improvement over the traditional BA statistic, but as Coach says, it doesn't tell us everything we need to know. wRC+ is probably the best overall batting stat out there, but I'd agree one also has to look at the Clutch stat as well as situational hitting stats. I'd caution that when looking at things such as "BA with bases loaded", "BA with RISP", etc., it's much better to look at the Career splits rather than the splits for a given year. That's just because the number of PAs in a given situation can be very small, so there is a huge luck factor when looking at yearly situational batting stats. Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion. Stassi can probably be forgiven for striking out to a Top 10 Reliever this year in Ottavino. Ottavino is a righty and Stassi really should only be used against lefties. That's why I'd like to see a Stassi/Stubbs duo at C next year. "Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 8:22:48 GMT -6
OPS was a big improvement over the traditional BA statistic, but as Coach says, it doesn't tell us everything we need to know. wRC+ is probably the best overall batting stat out there, but I'd agree one also has to look at the Clutch stat as well as situational hitting stats. I'd caution that when looking at things such as "BA with bases loaded", "BA with RISP", etc., it's much better to look at the Career splits rather than the splits for a given year. That's just because the number of PAs in a given situation can be very small, so there is a huge luck factor when looking at yearly situational batting stats. Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion. Stassi can probably be forgiven for striking out to a Top 10 Reliever this year in Ottavino. Ottavino is a righty and Stassi really should only be used against lefties. That's why I'd like to see a Stassi/Stubbs duo at C next year. "Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) up until now, you have said first base is a "weak hitting position" and now you decide it's not a weak link. Glad you are coming around even after saying you were moving on from this topic. I wanted to sign Hosmer over the winter and use Gurriell as DH but I never expected them to do it. Now, we still need an improvemrnt at DH. Gattis runs hot and cold and right now he is cold again. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 8:40:45 GMT -6
"Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) up until now, you have said first base is a "weak hitting position" and now you decide it's not a weak link. Glad you are coming around even after saying you were moving on from this topic. I wanted to sign Hosmer over the winter and use Gurriell as DH but I never expected them to do it. Now, we still need an improvemrnt at DH. Gattis runs hot and cold and right now he is cold again. Comparatively, our 1B overall production is lower than our C overall production when compared to the league. Our 1B has a 110 OPS+ and a WAR under 2 with 6 HRs. His RISP numbers are very good, but he doesn't get on base well and he rarely drives himself in with a HR. We can do better at 1B and still utilize Gurriel's skillset. He's a solid overall 1B that is really good at one thing: hitting singles with RISP. And I was moving past the argument of Stassi vs. Gurriel which was never what I was trying to start. Now I'm strictly referring to 1B since Doug was talking about Gurriel. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 27, 2018 8:50:14 GMT -6
OPS was a big improvement over the traditional BA statistic, but as Coach says, it doesn't tell us everything we need to know. wRC+ is probably the best overall batting stat out there, but I'd agree one also has to look at the Clutch stat as well as situational hitting stats. I'd caution that when looking at things such as "BA with bases loaded", "BA with RISP", etc., it's much better to look at the Career splits rather than the splits for a given year. That's just because the number of PAs in a given situation can be very small, so there is a huge luck factor when looking at yearly situational batting stats. Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion. Stassi can probably be forgiven for striking out to a Top 10 Reliever this year in Ottavino. Ottavino is a righty and Stassi really should only be used against lefties. That's why I'd like to see a Stassi/Stubbs duo at C next year. "Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) If you replace yuli with a HR hitter who also matches yulis other benefits, then that's an upgrade. If you replace yuli with a HR hitter who does NOT match yulis other benefits, you have Chris Carter...and that's a loss. Now...who do you propose we could get to "easily" meet the first criteria I mentioned above? Or are you wanting a Chris Carter because you (and chicks) dig the long ball? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 8:56:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure there's a bat on the trading block that would be an upgrade on offense at 1B for us .. anymore than there's an available bat that would be an offense upgrade
at catcher. Maldonado was acquired to be a defensive upgrade.
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 9:02:51 GMT -6
"Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) If you replace yuli with a HR hitter who also matches yulis other benefits, then that's an upgrade. If you replace yuli with a HR hitter who does NOT match yulis other benefits, you have Chris Carter...and that's a loss. Now...who do you propose we could get to "easily" meet the first criteria I mentioned above? Or are you wanting a Chris Carter because you (and chicks) dig the long ball? Jose Abreu and Jose Martinez off the top of my head would mostly match that. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 27, 2018 9:08:00 GMT -6
up until now, you have said first base is a "weak hitting position" and now you decide it's not a weak link. Glad you are coming around even after saying you were moving on from this topic. I wanted to sign Hosmer over the winter and use Gurriell as DH but I never expected them to do it. Now, we still need an improvemrnt at DH. Gattis runs hot and cold and right now he is cold again. Comparatively, our 1B overall production is lower than our C overall production when compared to the league. Our 1B has a 110 OPS+ and a WAR under 2 with 6 HRs. His RISP numbers are very good, but he doesn't get on base well and he rarely drives himself in with a HR. We can do better at 1B and still utilize Gurriel's skillset. He's a solid overall 1B that is really good at one thing: hitting singles with RISP. And I was moving past the argument of Stassi vs. Gurriel which was never what I was trying to start. Now I'm strictly referring to 1B since Doug was talking about Gurriel. I am not involved in this discussion but I understand what both of you are saying. Gurriel is a good hitter, particularly in the clutch, but a weak performer for the 1st base position. He is one of our better offensive performers but you expect more from a 1st baseman. So you improve the offense if you bring someone in who has an ops of 100 points higher than Gurriel, a guy like Justin Smoak. This is easier and less expensive in terms of prospects than replacing Stassi with a guy who has an ops in the 800s with a guy like Realmuto who is higher but not 100 points higher and much more expensive. If Gurriel then takes at bats from Gattis then the entire offensive is impacted positively by a lower cost trade. You are both correct in my opinion but just seem to be talking past each other and not paying attention to what the other is saying. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 9:18:10 GMT -6
Comparatively, our 1B overall production is lower than our C overall production when compared to the league. Our 1B has a 110 OPS+ and a WAR under 2 with 6 HRs. His RISP numbers are very good, but he doesn't get on base well and he rarely drives himself in with a HR. We can do better at 1B and still utilize Gurriel's skillset. He's a solid overall 1B that is really good at one thing: hitting singles with RISP. And I was moving past the argument of Stassi vs. Gurriel which was never what I was trying to start. Now I'm strictly referring to 1B since Doug was talking about Gurriel. I am not involved in this discussion but I understand what both of you are saying. Gurriel is a good hitter, particularly in the clutch, but a weak performer for the 1st base position. He is one of our better offensive performers but you expect more from a 1st baseman. So you improve the offense if you bring someone in who has an ops of 100 points higher than Gurriel, a guy like Justin Smoak. This is easier and less expensive in terms of prospects than replacing Stassi with a guy who has an ops in the 800s with a guy like Realmuto who is higher but not 100 points higher and much more expensive. If Gurriel then takes at bats from Gattis then the entire offensive is impacted positively by a lower cost trade. You are both correct in my opinion but just seem to be talking past each other and not paying attention to what the other is saying. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 9:28:29 GMT -6
Comparatively, our 1B overall production is lower than our C overall production when compared to the league. Our 1B has a 110 OPS+ and a WAR under 2 with 6 HRs. His RISP numbers are very good, but he doesn't get on base well and he rarely drives himself in with a HR. We can do better at 1B and still utilize Gurriel's skillset. He's a solid overall 1B that is really good at one thing: hitting singles with RISP. And I was moving past the argument of Stassi vs. Gurriel which was never what I was trying to start. Now I'm strictly referring to 1B since Doug was talking about Gurriel. I am not involved in this discussion but I understand what both of you are saying. Gurriel is a good hitter, particularly in the clutch, but a weak performer for the 1st base position. He is one of our better offensive performers but you expect more from a 1st baseman. So you improve the offense if you bring someone in who has an ops of 100 points higher than Gurriel, a guy like Justin Smoak. This is easier and less expensive in terms of prospects than replacing Stassi with a guy who has an ops in the 800s with a guy like Realmuto who is higher but not 100 points higher and much more expensive. If Gurriel then takes at bats from Gattis then the entire offensive is impacted positively by a lower cost trade. You are both correct in my opinion but just seem to be talking past each other and not paying attention to what the other is saying. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Coach doesn't seem to think 1B could be upgraded at all based off of virtually one reason: Gurriel's RISP numbers this year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:29:12 GMT -6
OPS was a big improvement over the traditional BA statistic, but as Coach says, it doesn't tell us everything we need to know. wRC+ is probably the best overall batting stat out there, but I'd agree one also has to look at the Clutch stat as well as situational hitting stats. I'd caution that when looking at things such as "BA with bases loaded", "BA with RISP", etc., it's much better to look at the Career splits rather than the splits for a given year. That's just because the number of PAs in a given situation can be very small, so there is a huge luck factor when looking at yearly situational batting stats. Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion. Stassi can probably be forgiven for striking out to a Top 10 Reliever this year in Ottavino. Ottavino is a righty and Stassi really should only be used against lefties. That's why I'd like to see a Stassi/Stubbs duo at C next year. "Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) Any move that puts Yuli at DH and Gattis on the bench is one I support. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 9:30:19 GMT -6
I am not involved in this discussion but I understand what both of you are saying. Gurriel is a good hitter, particularly in the clutch, but a weak performer for the 1st base position. He is one of our better offensive performers but you expect more from a 1st baseman. So you improve the offense if you bring someone in who has an ops of 100 points higher than Gurriel, a guy like Justin Smoak. This is easier and less expensive in terms of prospects than replacing Stassi with a guy who has an ops in the 800s with a guy like Realmuto who is higher but not 100 points higher and much more expensive. If Gurriel then takes at bats from Gattis then the entire offensive is impacted positively by a lower cost trade. You are both correct in my opinion but just seem to be talking past each other and not paying attention to what the other is saying. So far Toronto is saying they're not interested in trading players that they have control of past this year. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 9:31:52 GMT -6
"Yuli is a good everyday hitter. Of course we'd like to see him making pitchers work harder and getting more walks to boost that OBP. But he is not a weak link on the team in my opinion." Yuli is a solid hitter at a position where we need more. He has the same SLG as Kemp, and 6 HRs from 1B in half a season is very low. He's certainly good in the "clutch" but we could upgrade the power production from 1B pretty easily, where as we can't improve production at C easily with trades without giving up a lot. That was my whole point at the beginning. I don't consider him a weak link, but if he was moved to more of a utility and DH role with us getting a more productive 1B, I think it would be beneficial. (And I'm not saying 1B HAS to have a ton of power, if he gets on base and is a respectable fielder ex. Mark Grace.) Any move that puts Yuli at DH and Gattis on the bench is one I support. I wouldn't completely bench Gattis, he's about due for another hot streak. But a rotation could be set-up to give guys a little more rest down the stretch without us hurting our chances of winning by putting out weaker lineups. Then in the postseason the weakest performer gets moved to a full reserve role. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:42:12 GMT -6
Any move that puts Yuli at DH and Gattis on the bench is one I support. I wouldn't completely bench Gattis, he's about due for another hot streak. But a rotation could be set-up to give guys a little more rest down the stretch without us hurting our chances of winning by putting out weaker lineups. Then in the postseason the weakest performer gets moved to a full reserve role. I’m just tired of hearing “he’s due” for this and that. That’s the same thinking that led to Marisnick and Marwin’s obscene amount of at-bats. The man is 1 for his last 30. His job is to hit. Not doing it? Let someone else do it. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 27, 2018 9:45:45 GMT -6
Last year, Gattis was cold 65% of the time and hot 35% of the time. This year it's more of the same.
The Astros have a good internal upgrade at DH but Gattis is making millions this year so Luhnow doesn't want to "go there" just yet.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:47:15 GMT -6
Last year, Gattis was cold 65% of the time and hot 35% of the time. This year it's more of the same. The Astros have a good internal upgrade at DH but Gattis is making millions this year so Luhnow doesn't want to "go there" just yet. If the goal is about winning, then the emphasis should be more on merit, not politics. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 9:47:20 GMT -6
I'd rather have Smoak than Moose; Toronto has a club-option on him for 2019. I'm not seeing anything to indicate they're thinking about trading him though .. it'd be nice if they were So far Toronto is saying they're not interested in trading players that they have control of past this year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:49:14 GMT -6
So far Toronto is saying they're not interested in trading players that they have control of past this year. Wasn’t he the one Ghick said should’ve been drafted over Castro? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 27, 2018 9:49:56 GMT -6
Hamels was scheduled to pitch against the Astros this series.
Wonder who the Rangers will trot out there in his place.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 9:52:23 GMT -6
no that was Smoak
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:54:08 GMT -6
Yeah, that’s who I meant. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 9:54:47 GMT -6
Hamels was scheduled to pitch against the Astros this series. Wonder who the Rangers will trot out there in his place. Sweeping them should be the goal. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 27, 2018 9:56:58 GMT -6
Yeah, that’s who I meant.  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 27, 2018 9:58:10 GMT -6
I am not involved in this discussion but I understand what both of you are saying. Gurriel is a good hitter, particularly in the clutch, but a weak performer for the 1st base position. He is one of our better offensive performers but you expect more from a 1st baseman. So you improve the offense if you bring someone in who has an ops of 100 points higher than Gurriel, a guy like Justin Smoak. This is easier and less expensive in terms of prospects than replacing Stassi with a guy who has an ops in the 800s with a guy like Realmuto who is higher but not 100 points higher and much more expensive. If Gurriel then takes at bats from Gattis then the entire offensive is impacted positively by a lower cost trade. You are both correct in my opinion but just seem to be talking past each other and not paying attention to what the other is saying. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Coach doesn't seem to think 1B could be upgraded at all based off of virtually one reason: Gurriel's RISP numbers this year. i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 10:02:13 GMT -6
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Coach doesn't seem to think 1B could be upgraded at all based off of virtually one reason: Gurriel's RISP numbers this year. i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli I get what he’s saying, but the flaw in his argument in he says that based on OPS, Stassi is better than Gurriel, yet he wouldn’t want the guy hitting with RISP over Yuli. If OPS is his barometer in judging who are the best hitters, then Stassi would tend to be better in overall situations. His position is wishy washy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 27, 2018 10:03:19 GMT -6
i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli I get what he’s saying, but the flaw in his argument in he says that based on OPS, Stassi is better than Gurriel, yet he wouldn’t want the guy hitting with RISP over Yuli. If OPS is his barometer in judging who are the best hitters, then Stassi would tend to be better in overall situations. His position is wishy washy. I like Yuli a lot....but in the comparison between Yuli and Stassi, who is the better hitter for their respective positions? |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 10:05:01 GMT -6
I wouldn't completely bench Gattis, he's about due for another hot streak. But a rotation could be set-up to give guys a little more rest down the stretch without us hurting our chances of winning by putting out weaker lineups. Then in the postseason the weakest performer gets moved to a full reserve role. I’m just tired of hearing “he’s due” for this and that. That’s the same thinking that led to Marisnick and Marwin’s obscene amount of at-bats. The man is 1 for his last 30. His job is to hit. Not doing it? Let someone else do it. But you said that at the beginning of the year and then he was arguably our MVP for May. Some guys are streaky. You get through the cold streaks to get to the hot streaks. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 27, 2018 10:07:59 GMT -6
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Coach doesn't seem to think 1B could be upgraded at all based off of virtually one reason: Gurriel's RISP numbers this year. i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli I understood his point to be that relative to normal and standard expectations for the position that Stassi was a more productive hitter than Gurriel, though based strictly on ops then Stassi would be considered a more productive hitter overall. Saying that Gurriel is more clutch than Stassi is not provable based entirely on stats given the relative small sample sizes. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 10:11:11 GMT -6
i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli I get what he’s saying, but the flaw in his argument in he says that based on OPS, Stassi is better than Gurriel, yet he wouldn’t want the guy hitting with RISP over Yuli. If OPS is his barometer in judging who are the best hitters, then Stassi would tend to be better in overall situations. His position is wishy washy. I wouldn't want most players hitting in RISP over Gurriel right now (although Stassi has been damn good at that too), but Gurriel is streaky too. He's hitting about as bad as Gattis over the last two weeks and you want to bench that guy ( that's wishy washy). A 1B with limited power and poor to mediocre on base skills (even when he's at his best) can be improved upon. And what's wish washy about saying that Stassi has overall better production when you look at their percentages? Stassi gets on base more and has more power, even though he is a fraction of the cost and plays a tougher defensive position. That's just a fact. Gurriel is better with RISP but only if you want to use AVG. Stassi has the better OPS with RISP. It's basically a wash. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 27, 2018 10:12:50 GMT -6
I’m just tired of hearing “he’s due” for this and that. That’s the same thinking that led to Marisnick and Marwin’s obscene amount of at-bats. The man is 1 for his last 30. His job is to hit. Not doing it? Let someone else do it. But you said that at the beginning of the year and then he was arguably our MVP for May. Some guys are streaky. You get through the cold streaks to get to the hot streaks. How many of his cold streaks are you willing to accept? He’s the ultimate “wool over your eyes” type of player. He’s Superman for a brief stretch and Clark Kent the majority of times. |
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Post by Saint on Jul 27, 2018 10:14:13 GMT -6
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Coach doesn't seem to think 1B could be upgraded at all based off of virtually one reason: Gurriel's RISP numbers this year. i never said first base could not be upgraded. Most positions can be upgraded. What I said is that Stassi is NOT a more productive hitter than Gurriel and you keep coming up with stats to prove your point and none of them make Stassi more productive than Yuli Right you said that catcher was in severe need of being upgraded even though we have a catcher that is hitting very well, and in a lot of cases is more productive than our 1B. So if C needs upgraded, why doesn't 1B? That's the point. Either C is okay or 1B isn't, which one? |
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