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Post by Saint on Jul 31, 2018 16:05:58 GMT -6
I know nobody here likes stats that came after 1950, but the "Fresno Standouts" are producing at a better rate than most of our stars. (White, Kemp, Stassi at least. Tucker needs improvement.) And, despite my defense of them, I'm not even close to sold on them. Yet, performance is performance. Whether or not they perform, that’s not getting you another championship without the regular stars pulling the proverbial sled. If the Grizzlies keep doing what they've been doing and the veterans start showing up, we'll be in good shape. I think a lot will change with Altuve and Correa back. We just have to tread water until they're here. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 31, 2018 16:07:22 GMT -6
Whether or not they perform, that’s not getting you another championship without the regular stars pulling the proverbial sled. If the Grizzlies keep doing what they've been doing and the veterans start showing up, we'll be in good shape. I think a lot will change with Altuve and Correa back. We just have to tread water until they're here. Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 31, 2018 16:09:13 GMT -6
Would any of you guys trade for Chapman, if the price was right?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 31, 2018 16:17:37 GMT -6
Would any of you guys trade for Chapman, if the price was right? I guess that was my point I made earlier. The guy has to be lights out and nearly infallibly great for it to make more sense. I’d consider Osuna a definite upgrade over Giles, but he’s not a “lights out” type of guy akin to relievers like Kimbrel or Chapman. Didn’t he blow ten saves last year? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 31, 2018 17:37:01 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers?
If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 18:09:25 GMT -6
If the Grizzlies keep doing what they've been doing and the veterans start showing up, we'll be in good shape. I think a lot will change with Altuve and Correa back. We just have to tread water until they're here. Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... I actually believe this too. Houston needs a vet bat on their team to keep the cool in the clubhouse. Vet bats are usually what's available at the waiver deadline. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 31, 2018 18:36:09 GMT -6
Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... I actually believe this too. Houston needs a vet bat on their team to keep the cool in the clubhouse. Vet bats are usually what's available at the waiver deadline. If Josh Donaldson comes back in time enough to prove that he is healthy and productive before August 31, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Luhnow trade for him at the waiver deadline. |
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Post by m240 on Jul 31, 2018 18:36:19 GMT -6
to kind of put this all into perspective, if we lose tonight we will be 500 for the month. Every line drive is finding a fielder, every hard hit grounder is right at someone, the other guys are catching all the breaks and yet here we are at the end of a bad month of luck and what we do have, a 500 month.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 18:43:29 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers? If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem there |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 31, 2018 18:45:02 GMT -6
If the Grizzlies keep doing what they've been doing and the veterans start showing up, we'll be in good shape. I think a lot will change with Altuve and Correa back. We just have to tread water until they're here. Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... He did alright at the waiver deadline last year.  Could be better hitters available at that time plus we will know how the offense is going when at full strength, barring anymore unforseen injuries |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 18:45:46 GMT -6
Time to focus on the rest of the season. Glad to see the trade season is over. Goodbye vodoo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 18:46:03 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers? If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem thereI can see your point but luckily the closer is the one position where it probably doesn't matter if they get along with the rest of the group. Their mentality is usually to themselves anyway and focusing on killing the opponent.
I've NEVER heard of a closer being a likable guy or a chemistry guy. Even Billy Wagner had his issues with the club.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 31, 2018 18:47:21 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers? If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem thereif we have the level of maturity in that clubhouse that we are told, there should be no disruption, especially if Osuna says the right things when he arrives and then follows through. You have to take a chance when a young closer like Osuna is available, especially when all you give up is nut job, a PED abuser, and an unknown minor leaguer. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 18:47:46 GMT -6
I’m kind of disappointed that Luhnow couldn’t have at least nabbed Ramos. I guess he’s okay with a third of the lineup consisting of Fresno standouts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 18:48:09 GMT -6
Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... He did alright at the waiver deadline last year. Could be better hitters available at that time plus we will know how the offense is going when at full strength, barring anymore unforseen injuries Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen perhaps even Joe Mauer or Adrien Beltre
I'd prefer Adam Jones though if I had a choice.
Still think Beltre, Mauer or even McCutchen could propel our team forward.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 31, 2018 18:51:42 GMT -6
Well apparently Josh Donaldson won’t be a possible waiver deadline acquisition after all. I just checked the Blue Jays roster and today he was transferred from the 10-day DL to the 60-day DL.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 18:55:25 GMT -6
I'm not hating on the trade cause of the alleged crime as much as its potential to disrupt clubhouse vibes. When the manager has to call a meeting to tell the team to concentrate
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem there I can see your point but luckily the closer is the one position where it probably doesn't matter if they get along with the rest of the group. Their mentality is usually to themselves anyway and focusing on killing the opponent.
I've NEVER heard of a closer being a likable guy or a chemistry guy. Even Billy Wagner had his issues with the club.
character, and that being called into question now as a result of this move. That's why I think they're not concentrating. Else Hinch's comments to the team about distractions don't make
much sense
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Post by olpapa on Jul 31, 2018 18:57:19 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers? If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem thereI read somewhere that Luhnow did not meet with Verlander to get his input before making the trade. One would think that the GM would talk to the players who are leaders in the clubhouse and get their input before trading for a controversial player like Osuna. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 31, 2018 19:00:27 GMT -6
He did alright at the waiver deadline last year. Could be better hitters available at that time plus we will know how the offense is going when at full strength, barring anymore unforseen injuries Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen perhaps even Joe Mauer or Adrien Beltre
I'd prefer Adam Jones though if I had a choice.
Still think Beltre, Mauer or even McCutchen could propel our team forward.
Maybe even Harper. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 19:00:32 GMT -6
I can see your point but luckily the closer is the one position where it probably doesn't matter if they get along with the rest of the group. Their mentality is usually to themselves anyway and focusing on killing the opponent.
I've NEVER heard of a closer being a likable guy or a chemistry guy. Even Billy Wagner had his issues with the club.
character, and that being called into question now as a result of this move. That's why I think they're not concentrating. Else Hinch's comments to the team about distractions don't make
much sense
I know... but I feel the Astros organization would be given props for giving a person a second chance as well.
Organizations are more apt to give second chances to players not currently on their team, and I feel players may be inclined to feel the same since they are somewhat removed from the situation.
Now I wouldn't expect for Verlander to invite Osuna over for a dinner party
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 19:02:07 GMT -6
Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen perhaps even Joe Mauer or Adrien Beltre
I'd prefer Adam Jones though if I had a choice.
Still think Beltre, Mauer or even McCutchen could propel our team forward.
Maybe even Harper. I don't mind Harper and his ability to hit the baseball. But I question his attitude for this team as a big time acquisition. I'd prefer to have someone with character and a leadership type style to him.
With that said I'm glad Donaldson is unavailable 
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 19:03:04 GMT -6
The thing I think everyone is forgetting about waiver trades is (to my understanding) every team in front of us has to pass them through waivers before we can make
a trade offer. And it's based on the Astros being last or near last in order. Every contending team in the AL in front of us will claim every possible bat this go-round to
make sure we don't fortify the roster. Even if those teams don't have any real intention of trading for those bats
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Dad
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jul 31, 2018 19:03:57 GMT -6
So, you only oppose domestic abuse by sub-par performers? If any of you would want Chapman on the team, you need to immediately stop hating on this trade.
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem thereBased on recent play, seems maybe they needed a team meeting before this one. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 31, 2018 19:07:37 GMT -6
Time to focus on the rest of the season. Glad to see the trade season is over. Goodbye vodoo. So me and you then? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 19:09:33 GMT -6
I'm not hating on the trade cause of the alleged crime as much as its potential to disrupt clubhouse vibes. When the manager has to call a meeting to tell the team to concentrate
on winning, there's a problem there. If there's guys in the clubhouse who never thought Luhnow would trade for Osuna cause of the class-act he presented himself to be and now
are upset about it as a consequence, like I said you got a problem there I read somewhere that Luhnow did not meet with Verlander to get his input before making the trade. One would think that the GM would talk to the players who are leaders in the clubhouse and get their input before trading for a controversial player like Osuna.
championships that make folks think their decisions are unimpeachable |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 31, 2018 19:13:36 GMT -6
You forgot about fantasy football season. This year it's teams. voodoo and thomasj are gonna be a team So me and you then?
I think the Eagles are the NFL Astros. Both lost championships in 1980 and 2004, and finally won in 2017
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 31, 2018 19:18:18 GMT -6
He did alright at the waiver deadline last year. Could be better hitters available at that time plus we will know how the offense is going when at full strength, barring anymore unforseen injuries Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen perhaps even Joe Mauer or Adrien Beltre
I'd prefer Adam Jones though if I had a choice.
Still think Beltre, Mauer or even McCutchen could propel our team forward.
I was hoping for Britton and Jones to come together. Media boys say the Yankees traded for Britton in self-defense and that makes sense. i agree that Jones should be the target out of that group......unless the Giants made put Belt on waivers. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 31, 2018 19:19:42 GMT -6
Luhnow will get a bat at the waiver deadline... I actually believe this too. Houston needs a vet bat on their team to keep the cool in the clubhouse. Vet bats are usually what's available at the waiver deadline. I will be very surprised if he doesn't |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 31, 2018 19:20:16 GMT -6
I read somewhere that Luhnow did not meet with Verlander to get his input before making the trade. One would think that the GM would talk to the players who are leaders in the clubhouse and get their input before trading for a controversial player like Osuna.
championships that make folks think their decisions are unimpeachableThe media is still pissed that the Astros knocked Boston, NY, and LA all out to win the title and they look for negative things to say about Houston. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 31, 2018 19:20:53 GMT -6
Time to focus on the rest of the season. Glad to see the trade season is over. Goodbye vodoo. Whatcha talkin about Willis? |
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Could be better hitters available at that time plus we will know how the offense is going when at full strength, barring anymore unforseen injuries
