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Post by bannedfan on Jul 12, 2018 15:33:22 GMT -6
Ballgame.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 15:34:46 GMT -6
Another typical White at bat.......strikeout and walk back to the dugout. This guy is pathetic.send his ass back to Frenso or, better yet, trade him.
Another pathetic effort by the Astros. No excuse for the crap we saw today.......Jump ahead 4-0 and then give the damn game away. Hinch stayed with McCullers too long last night and did the same with Morton today. Devenski has been horse shit lately as is Harris and Peacock.
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Post by koolade2 on Jul 12, 2018 15:38:53 GMT -6
The offensive underperformers who most deserve some consideration of replacing are: Fedo, McCann, Jake, and Marwin. Ramos could replace both McCann and Fedo. If Ramos is too expensive, Stubbs can do the job, and for cheap. Tucker is hopefully going to replace Jake and if he can't, there's guys like Granderson and Castellanos to trade for. Merrifield can replace Marwin. All would be improvements over the current situation. Let it be done. I looked back at when NY won more than one WS in a row and the second year they had several new players. WTH Astros stayed with the exact same team and within a month it was obvious that serval of the current team wasn't going to perform to anywhere near last year. Need to add new blood to have a couple more hungry to help push the team. Right now they are going thru the motions without any excitement. |
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Post by olpapa on Jul 12, 2018 15:41:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't let White pinch hit for a pitcher. Seriously, Hinch threw in the towel with that one. The man is a elite strategist, but the clipboard malfunctioned today. I really wish he would toss the clipboard. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 12, 2018 15:49:02 GMT -6
Julia interviewed Miss Texas?
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 12, 2018 15:52:53 GMT -6
Pinch hitting White was a good decision, but it couldn't make up for the poor bullpen management earlier in the game.
When you're down two runs in the bottom of the 9th, the most important thing you need early in the inning is a baserunner. White is a high OBP guy, so you go with him and if he succeeds, the tying run comes to the plate. White worked Trivino to a 3-2 count and didn't give him any easy looking strikes. The AL is collectively hitting under the Mendoza line against Trivino this season for a very good reason -- he's an awfully good pitcher. That's how he got White to swing and miss on a slider down and away. White's swinging strike rate is among the lowest of all Astros' hitters, and this one AB isn't going to change that.
The main thing that lost today's game was the idea that the starter has to go 100 pitches come hell or high water. At this point in the season, arm fatigue means that most of the starters are only reliable for 90 pitches a start. Probably, after the break, they will be back to the 100 pitch level again. Pulling Charlie for McHugh at 90 pitches would have changed the game entirely.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 15:53:45 GMT -6
The offensive underperformers who most deserve some consideration of replacing are: Fedo, McCann, Jake, and Marwin. Ramos could replace both McCann and Fedo. If Ramos is too expensive, Stubbs can do the job, and for cheap. Tucker is hopefully going to replace Jake and if he can't, there's guys like Granderson and Castellanos to trade for. Merrifield can replace Marwin. All would be improvements over the current situation. Let it be done. I looked back at when NY won more than one WS in a row and the second year they had several new players. WTH Astros stayed with the exact same team and within a month it was obvious that serval of the current team wasn't going to perform to anywhere near last year. Need to add new blood to have a couple more hungry to help push the team. Right now they are going thru the motions without any excitement. Unless they go get a catcher and another bat plus a top reliever, they are in trouble. Gattis has gone back in the tank so I think we need another option at DH. We cannot depend on Stassi and Fed..we need a guy like Ramos. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jul 12, 2018 15:54:30 GMT -6
this was happening to Devo his last outing. Some scary hard contact that luckily went straight to fielders. Today the luck has run out. Better get Rondon up ASAP Pimpin Aint Easy. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jul 12, 2018 16:08:19 GMT -6
Our bullpen blows another one........Devenski has been crap lately just like he was at the end of the season last year when he was basically ignored during the WS........Harris sucks........Peacock's slider is flat....the squatting nut job had a meltdown and got shipped to Fresno. Our offense is suffering just like last year when Correa was on the DL after than ill-advised attempt to score an unnecessary run in Atlanta. Marwin sucks..........Gattis has gone back in the tank......Glad Oakland is leaving town. Calm down. It will be ok. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 12, 2018 16:27:44 GMT -6
If Luhnow wants to trade Kemp, his value will never be higher. Kemp would be far and away better than Spangenburg for the Padres. Maybe package him for Hand, or Cimber, or Stammen. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 16:31:46 GMT -6
Our bullpen blows another one........Devenski has been crap lately just like he was at the end of the season last year when he was basically ignored during the WS........Harris sucks........Peacock's slider is flat....the squatting nut job had a meltdown and got shipped to Fresno. Our offense is suffering just like last year when Correa was on the DL after than ill-advised attempt to score an unnecessary run in Atlanta. Marwin sucks..........Gattis has gone back in the tank......Glad Oakland is leaving town. Calm down. It will be ok. Unless we wake up and make a couple of trades, things may not be OK |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 16:37:44 GMT -6
it would be interesting to know whether the shift has saved the Astros more runs than it has cost them today. I have never liked the shift. Instead of four guys having a chance on the infield, one gets screwed over, and the out isn’t very much guaranteed. I feel like it also puts them out of position to turn DP’s due to one or more infielders needing to range for outs. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 16:38:54 GMT -6
Anyone could see that Devo hasn't been right his last few trips to the mound. Made no sense to put him in there to protect a one-run lead. Esp when Smith was dealing. A time or so before his Tampa outing, Devo had shown some trouble even though he got out of it. Sadly, it has continued. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 16:41:12 GMT -6
If Luhnow wants to trade Kemp, his value will never be higher. Kemp would be far and away better than Spangenburg for the Padres. Maybe package him for Hand, or Cimber, or Stammen. Even though Hand isn’t cheap anymore? GTFO, Preller. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 16:43:16 GMT -6
It doesn’t seem right to complain about a team that’s 28 over .500, but how many of the Astros’ wins are against winning teams? It doesn’t seem like they cut it against those opponents. They beat the crap out of bad teams, but that’s not enough to repeat as world champions, let’s be honest.
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 12, 2018 16:44:06 GMT -6
when will Hinch learn to consult the Refugees GDT *before* making bullpen changes? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 12, 2018 16:44:45 GMT -6
Anyone could see that Devo hasn't been right his last few trips to the mound. Made no sense to put him in there to protect a one-run lead. Esp when Smith was dealing. A time or so before his Tampa outing, Devo had shown some trouble even though he got out of it. Sadly, it has continued. It seemed pretty plain to me that Devo needed to be relegated to low-leverage work until after the ASB. Scoring 4 runs today wasn't a fabulous offensive production, but more often than not it is sufficient to win. The reason it wasn't enough today was leaving the starter in too long, and then putting in a new reliever after Smith had only thrown 9 pitches and was coasting. Smith just needed to get 2 more outs and then Rondon could have gotten the final 4. Anyway, sometimes it takes some meltdowns like this to light a fire under Luhnow's butt to get the right moves made. And no matter how we slice it or dice it, the Astros don't suck ass like Peter Strzok is doing right now. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 12, 2018 16:46:43 GMT -6
when will Hinch learn to consult the Refugees GDT *before* making bullpen changes? "Get Devo up" is a humorous statement that got started on another board last season. It's to be posted any time the starter runs into trouble. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jul 12, 2018 16:48:58 GMT -6
He probably read your posts about Devo being a rested and viable option, and "getting him up" in the pen, but didn't make it back in time for your contradicting counterpoints toward that "Get Devo up" is a humorous statement that got started on another board last season. It's to be posted any time the starter runs into trouble. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 12, 2018 16:50:08 GMT -6
It's OK, we'll write Hinch a "Manager's Guide for Consulting the Refugees Game Day Thread" to go along with our schedule of consulting fees.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 12, 2018 16:51:01 GMT -6
when will Hinch learn to consult the Refugees GDT *before* making bullpen changes? LMAO!! |
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Post by marshall on Jul 12, 2018 18:04:24 GMT -6
it would be interesting to know whether the shift has saved the Astros more runs than it has cost them today. I have never liked the shift. Instead of four guys having a chance on the infield, one gets screwed over, and the out isn’t very much guaranteed. I feel like it also puts them out of position to turn DP’s due to one or more infielders needing to range for outs. trades don't make you better. Good Trades make you better. Bad trades make you worse.
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Post by marshall on Jul 12, 2018 18:08:29 GMT -6
Calm down. It will be ok. Unless we wake up and make a couple of trades, things may not be OK Trades don't make you better. Good Trades make you better. Bad trades make you worse. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 18:11:24 GMT -6
A time or so before his Tampa outing, Devo had shown some trouble even though he got out of it. Sadly, it has continued. It seemed pretty plain to me that Devo needed to be relegated to low-leverage work until after the ASB. Scoring 4 runs today wasn't a fabulous offensive production, but more often than not it is sufficient to win. The reason it wasn't enough today was leaving the starter in too long, and then putting in a new reliever after Smith had only thrown 9 pitches and was coasting. Smith just needed to get 2 more outs and then Rondon could have gotten the final 4. Anyway, sometimes it takes some meltdowns like this to light a fire under Luhnow's butt to get the right moves made. And no matter how we slice it or dice it, the Astros don't suck ass like Peter Strzok is doing right now. The need for bullpen help is not because of Giles. It’s because of the guys generally playing Hot Potato whenever there are closing duties handed out by Hinch. They need arms for stability; overall, they’re a good unit. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 18:12:47 GMT -6
At least we know Hinch is not to blame for today’s game. His reliable arms are faltering. Peacock and Devenski are two of their best, and they seem lost.
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Post by olpapa on Jul 12, 2018 21:25:16 GMT -6
At least we know Hinch is not to blame for today’s game. His reliable arms are faltering. Peacock and Devenski are two of their best, and they seem lost. He violated the “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” rule when he pulled McHugh and again when he pulled Smith. It wasn’t necessary for Devenski or Harris to pitch today. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 22:34:49 GMT -6
Unless we wake up and make a couple of trades, things may not be OK Trades don't make you better. Good Trades make you better. Bad trades make you worse. agreed, I had rather not make trades than to bring in guys like Liriano and Clippard like we did last year. Either make a trade that helps the team or don't make one. Trading just to say you made one is dumb. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 22:36:45 GMT -6
At least we know Hinch is not to blame for today’s game. His reliable arms are faltering. Peacock and Devenski are two of their best, and they seem lost. Peacock's slider is hanging and getting hammered. When hitters make Devenski get in the strike zone, he get in trouble. He didn't fool anybody today. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jul 12, 2018 23:03:34 GMT -6
At least we know Hinch is not to blame for today’s game. His reliable arms are faltering. Peacock and Devenski are two of their best, and they seem lost. Peacock's slider is hanging and getting hammered. When hitters make Devenski get in the strike zone, he get in trouble. He didn't fool anybody today. These A’s are like quite a few opponents with winning records. They’re not fooled easily by our pitchers. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jul 12, 2018 23:31:29 GMT -6
Peacock's slider is hanging and getting hammered. When hitters make Devenski get in the strike zone, he get in trouble. He didn't fool anybody today. These A’s are like quite a few opponents with winning records. They’re not fooled easily by our pitchers. Except for Bregman, most of our hitters had a bad series. Tucker did have a good game in the one we managed to win. |
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