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Keuchel
Jul 23, 2018 14:07:06 GMT -6
Post by thomasj13 on Jul 23, 2018 14:07:06 GMT -6
Keuchel isn't going to accept a 1-year deal if he maintains his current pace. He won't get a better shot at a multi-year deal than he will this offseason. It's a no-brainer to offer him the QO. That depends on the amount It is roughly $18M....and he will reject it....and sign elsewhere and Astros will get compensated for it. |
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Keuchel
Jul 23, 2018 15:07:47 GMT -6
Post by blcoach8 on Jul 23, 2018 15:07:47 GMT -6
That depends on the amount It is roughly $18M....and he will reject it....and sign elsewhere and Astros will get compensated for it. That is fine. He isn't worth more than $18M to the Astros...Take the draft pick and use the money we would give Keuchel to extend Springer and Correa. |
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Keuchel
Jul 23, 2018 16:03:07 GMT -6
Post by Saint on Jul 23, 2018 16:03:07 GMT -6
Keuchel isn't going to accept a 1-year deal if he maintains his current pace. He won't get a better shot at a multi-year deal than he will this offseason. It's a no-brainer to offer him the QO. That depends on the amount He'll get offered more than $18 million. If the season ended right now and he didn't get any better, he would easily command a 3-4 year deal worth a minimum of $45 million. He won't pass that up. |
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Keuchel
Jul 23, 2018 16:09:37 GMT -6
Post by Saint on Jul 23, 2018 16:09:37 GMT -6
The QO is the floor for the Astros to receive anything. If you think Keuchel is worth $14M, then you have to calculate what the value of the compensation pick is worth. If you think it's worth less than $3.5M then you don't make the QO. If you think it's worth more than $3.5M, then you do. The math is easy. It's the evaluation that's hard. I think it is a win, win if the Astros offer a Keuchel a QO 1. If he accepts then you didn't have to sign him to a large contract...and gives Astro more time to develop their minor league pitchers 2. If he declines then he will sign elsewhere, and the Astros receive draft compensation. Agreed. This should be one of the easiest decisions of the offseason. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Aug 7, 2018 19:59:56 GMT -6
Lowered his ERA to 3.53 today.
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Keuchel
Aug 7, 2018 20:45:57 GMT -6
Post by thomasj13 on Aug 7, 2018 20:45:57 GMT -6
Lowered his ERA to 3.53 today. QO, hopefully he can pitch as well against the Red Sox, the Yankees or the Indians. |
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Post by marshall on Aug 9, 2018 1:18:08 GMT -6
I think it is a win, win if the Astros offer a Keuchel a QO 1. If he accepts then you didn't have to sign him to a large contract...and gives Astro more time to develop their minor league pitchers 2. If he declines then he will sign elsewhere, and the Astros receive draft compensation. Agreed. This should be one of the easiest decisions of the offseason. It is if you think Keuchel plus the compensation pick are worth more than the QO which is projected to be about $17.5M.
BTW, is Morton eligible for a QO?
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Post by m240 on Aug 9, 2018 6:14:09 GMT -6
Agreed. This should be one of the easiest decisions of the offseason. It is if you think Keuchel plus the compensation pick are worth more than the QO which is projected to be about $17.5M.
BTW, is Morton eligible for a QO?
The way that Keuchel is pitching lately he is easily worth a QO. He most likely will get a 4 year deal at above the QO rate. Morton is also someone we should make a QO to and a two year offer with lots of incentives. Keeping this staff together will be important. If we lose McCullers from the starter rank and then lose both Keuchel and Morton then we will really have to scramble next year. |
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Keuchel
Aug 9, 2018 6:22:05 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Aug 9, 2018 6:22:05 GMT -6
It is if you think Keuchel plus the compensation pick are worth more than the QO which is projected to be about $17.5M.
BTW, is Morton eligible for a QO?
The way that Keuchel is pitching lately he is easily worth a QO. He most likely will get a 4 year deal at above the QO rate. Morton is also someone we should make a QO to and a two year offer with lots of incentives. Keeping this staff together will be important. If we lose McCullers from the starter rank and then lose both Keuchel and Morton then we will really have to scramble next year. Is it too late to teach McCullers a less strenuous delivery? |
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Post by m240 on Aug 9, 2018 7:31:06 GMT -6
The way that Keuchel is pitching lately he is easily worth a QO. He most likely will get a 4 year deal at above the QO rate. Morton is also someone we should make a QO to and a two year offer with lots of incentives. Keeping this staff together will be important. If we lose McCullers from the starter rank and then lose both Keuchel and Morton then we will really have to scramble next year. Is it too late to teach McCullers a less strenuous delivery? He is young but I think that ship has sailed. His dad was a reliever, I wonder if he had similar issues. |
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Post by Saint on Sept 25, 2018 13:13:20 GMT -6
He most likely made his final regular season start as an Astro. Kudos to Keuchel for very a successful Astro career.
76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+)
3 Gold Gloves
2 AS Appearances
1 CY
Average season: 11-9 169 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season.
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Keuchel
Sept 25, 2018 13:36:36 GMT -6
Post by blcoach8 on Sept 25, 2018 13:36:36 GMT -6
He most likely made his final regular season start as an Astro. Kudos to Keuchel for very a successful Astro career. 76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+) 3 Gold Gloves 2 AS Appearances 1 CY Average season: 11-9 169 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season. He has had a good overall career, but, he is still too shaky to trust starting a playoff game. Seattle hammered him and the Bluejays were one solid hit away from knocking him out last night. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 13:47:01 GMT -6
Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 13:47:01 GMT -6
Updated since he got one more regular season start. And, he had a respectable postseason appearance too.
76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+)
3 Gold Gloves
2 AS Appearances
1 CY
Average season: 11-9 170 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season.
Going to miss this guy.
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 13:57:49 GMT -6
Post by bearbryant on Oct 9, 2018 13:57:49 GMT -6
Updated since he got one more regular season start. And, he had a respectable postseason appearance too. 76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+) 3 Gold Gloves 2 AS Appearances 1 CY Average season: 11-9 170 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season. Going to miss this guy. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:01:43 GMT -6
Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 14:01:43 GMT -6
Updated since he got one more regular season start. And, he had a respectable postseason appearance too. 76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+) 3 Gold Gloves 2 AS Appearances 1 CY Average season: 11-9 170 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season. Going to miss this guy. I can understand people frustrated with Harris (or any reliever for that matter) since it's hard to take blowing a lead late in the game. I'll never understand why anybody would be down on Keuchel after what he did for this team the last several years, and the fact that he easily outperformed any expectations put on him when he was brought up. Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:13:47 GMT -6
Post by bearbryant on Oct 9, 2018 14:13:47 GMT -6
what I said about Harris earlier applies to my sentiments regarding Keuchel I can understand people frustrated with Harris (or any reliever for that matter) since it's hard to take blowing a lead late in the game. I'll never understand why anybody would be down on Keuchel after what he did for this team the last several years, and the fact that he easily outperformed any expectations put on him when he was brought up. Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy.
a finesse pitcher who induces soft contact is the ideal weapon you'd want in that matchup |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:21:26 GMT -6
Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 14:21:26 GMT -6
I can understand people frustrated with Harris (or any reliever for that matter) since it's hard to take blowing a lead late in the game. I'll never understand why anybody would be down on Keuchel after what he did for this team the last several years, and the fact that he easily outperformed any expectations put on him when he was brought up. Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy.
a finesse pitcher who induces soft contact is the ideal weapon you'd want in that matchupAnd he really achingly slowed the game down too (which must have been frustrating for the hitters). I think he would have been fine to pitch the 6th, if needed, as well, but it all worked out. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:37:04 GMT -6
Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2018 14:37:04 GMT -6
what I said about Harris earlier applies to my sentiments regarding Keuchel Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy. You just lack the sense to know that the tattoo thing was a joke, and no one was serious about it making him pitch worse. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:44:35 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 14:44:35 GMT -6
Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy. You just lack the sense to know that the tattoo thing was a joke, and no one was serious about it making him pitch worse. You assume I'm referring only to here. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:45:51 GMT -6
Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 9, 2018 14:45:51 GMT -6
Here is all I GAS about.
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 14:52:00 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 14:52:00 GMT -6
Not me. I read comments and articles from all over. I came back to post here when people asked me to and because good choices are limited out on the net. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 15:37:55 GMT -6
Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2018 15:37:55 GMT -6
I can understand people frustrated with Harris (or any reliever for that matter) since it's hard to take blowing a lead late in the game. I'll never understand why anybody would be down on Keuchel after what he did for this team the last several years, and the fact that he easily outperformed any expectations put on him when he was brought up. Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy.
a finesse pitcher who induces soft contact is the ideal weapon you'd want in that matchupI was concerned with Keuchel starting game three but I expected him to get the call. Your logic actually makes a lot of sense.......good job on having an original thought.  With the exception of the BP pitch that Lindor it for the home run, Dallas did a great job. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 15:39:19 GMT -6
Post by blcoach8 on Oct 9, 2018 15:39:19 GMT -6
Not liking him over a beard or tattoos (which I've heard) is crazy. You just lack the sense to know that the tattoo thing was a joke, and no one was serious about it making him pitch worse. he lacks the sense about a lot of things......especially evaluating catchers.   |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 16:23:36 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2018 16:23:36 GMT -6
Updated since he got one more regular season start. And, he had a respectable postseason appearance too. 76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+) 3 Gold Gloves 2 AS Appearances 1 CY Average season: 11-9 170 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season. Going to miss this guy. I’ll miss him too, but they can’t afford a guy who gives up 200+ hits in a season. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2018 16:46:58 GMT -6
Updated since he got one more regular season start. And, he had a respectable postseason appearance too. 76-63 3.66 ERA (108 ERA+) 3 Gold Gloves 2 AS Appearances 1 CY Average season: 11-9 170 IP at an average rate of $6 million a season. Going to miss this guy. I’ll miss him too, but they can’t afford a guy who gives up 200+ hits in a season. You just don't appreciate anybody that doesn't throw 95+. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 17:58:40 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2018 17:58:40 GMT -6
I’ll miss him too, but they can’t afford a guy who gives up 200+ hits in a season. You just don't appreciate anybody that doesn't throw 95+. Every one of us appreciated him in ‘14 and ‘15 and parts of each season since. Keuchel will want to be paid like those first seasons I mentioned. Good luck to him. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 18:03:52 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2018 18:03:52 GMT -6
You just don't appreciate anybody that doesn't throw 95+. Every one of us appreciated him in ‘14 and ‘15 and parts of each season since. Keuchel will want to be paid like those first seasons I mentioned. Good luck to him. A 1 year QO would be good, a multi-year deal is not good |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 18:05:08 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2018 18:05:08 GMT -6
Every one of us appreciated him in ‘14 and ‘15 and parts of each season since. Keuchel will want to be paid like those first seasons I mentioned. Good luck to him. A 1 year QO would be good, a multi-year deal is not good Agreed. Now, if Whitley hadn’t screwed up, I’d be more hesitant. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 18:05:40 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2018 18:05:40 GMT -6
Every one of us appreciated him in ‘14 and ‘15 and parts of each season since. Keuchel will want to be paid like those first seasons I mentioned. Good luck to him. A 1 year QO would be good, a multi-year deal is not good Now Verlander,I would hope he would be interested in a two-year deal (2/50M) with a third-year option after next season. |
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Keuchel
Oct 9, 2018 18:06:12 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 9, 2018 18:06:12 GMT -6
A 1 year QO would be good, a multi-year deal is not good Now Verlander,I would hope he would be interested in a two-year deal (2/50M) with a third-year option after next season. What about Cole? |
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With the exception of the BP pitch that Lindor it for the home run, Dallas did a great job.
