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Post by olpapa on Oct 16, 2018 8:28:18 GMT -6
AJ and Luhnow opted for a 12-man pitching staff for the ALCS. There are 8 arms in the bullpen. No excuse whatsoever for AJ to sit on his hands and allow Boston to come back from the 4-2 deficit and take the lead when Cole had been struggling from the first pitch he threw in the game. The players are just human beings. All of them are going to have their off days. It is the manager’s job to recognize when a pitcher is having his bad day and get him out of the game before he takes the whole team down with him. AJ is all about stroking egos and showing the players that he has their back. That is all well and good during the regular season when you have a big lead in your division and you are playing inferior opponents. When you are in the playoffs all the ego stroking has got to be secondary to what is best for the team. That game #2 loss is all on AJ. He put Cole ahead of the rest of the team. I don't understand why AJ had McHugh warming up and then had him sit down and keep Cole in the game. Marwin got him the lead and Hinch sat there looking stupid while Cole blew it.....Loss on Hinch. Rondon should have remained OFF the roster with Straw kept on it. He doesn't need 12 pitchers AJ certainly doesn’t need 12 pitchers in order that he can have 8 sitting on the pine in the bullpen while he sits on his hands in the dugout and watches his starter give away the game. AJ seems to be a nice young man and most of the players love him, but his consistent refusal to pull a starter from a game before it is too late is detrimental to the team. Sometimes the players are able to win in spite of his bullheaded insistence on sticking with a pitcher long after it is obvious that the pitcher doesn’t have it that game. Sometimes the players are not able to win in spite of him. Game #2 was one of those games when the players could not dig their way out of the hole their manager allowed the opposing team to put them in. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 8:36:22 GMT -6
I think y'all are over thinking it. We had a starter on the mound that is going to finish in the top-10 in CY voting. He had a rough start but it was early in the game and the game was close. He then settled down and kept us in the game the next 2 innings. You'd think our offense could have managed more runs in the remaining 5 innings against the Boston bullpen.
If Hinch had gone to the bullpen and the bullpen had cratered, I feel like he'd be getting called out for that as well.
There is too much going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to, that the manager and coaching staff are aware of. We don't know what type of matchups they're looking at, or series game plan they have in mind. The combination of Luhnow, Hinch, and Strom have done wonders with the pitching staff over the last few years. Sometimes you just have to have a little faith. Nobody wants to see a lead blown, but in a tough series you're going to struggle some.
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Post by olpapa on Oct 16, 2018 8:46:10 GMT -6
Saint, please. The offense scored 5 runs. When you score 5 runs you have got to win that game, but you are not going to win that game when your manager sits on his hands and watches his starter give up the same 5 runs in 3 innings. The fact that Cole pitched well enough in the regular season to warrant some consideration for the CY is totally irrelevant.
One thing I agree with you on....I don’t know what AJ was looking at while Cole was getting bludgeoned in the first 3 innings.
Yes. In a tough series there are times when players will struggle. That is when it is up to the manager to do everything he can to, if at all possible, make sure that one player’s struggles do not cause the team to lose the game.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 16, 2018 8:55:38 GMT -6
I think y'all are over thinking it. We had a starter on the mound that is going to finish in the top-10 in CY voting. He had a rough start but it was early in the game and the game was close. He then settled down and kept us in the game the next 2 innings. You'd think our offense could have managed more runs in the remaining 5 innings against the Boston bullpen. If Hinch had gone to the bullpen and the bullpen had cratered, I feel like he'd be getting called out for that as well. There is too much going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to, that the manager and coaching staff are aware of. We don't know what type of matchups they're looking at, or series game plan they have in mind. The combination of Luhnow, Hinch, and Strom have done wonders with the pitching staff over the last few years. Sometimes you just have to have a little faith. Nobody wants to see a lead blown, but in a tough series you're going to struggle some. I can't believe you wrote that. 1. Regular season performance is irrelevant to performance in this game. 2. Now, magically, you feel that the manager and coaches are privy to behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about...except as it pertains to catchers, or Osuna I guess? On catchers and Osuna, Saint knows best facts. 3. So, since the bullpen MIGHT have cratered and caused Hinchy-poo to take some flak, Saint thinks he was right to stick with a pitcher who obviously WAS cratering and leave the relief pitchers (rated best in baseball) on the pine. Got it. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 9:22:53 GMT -6
Saint, please. The offense scored 5 runs. When you score 5 runs you have got to win that game, but you are not going to win that game when your manager sits on his hands and watches his starter give up the same 5 runs in 3 innings. The fact that Cole pitched well enough in the regular season to warrant some consideration for the CY is totally irrelevant. One thing I agree with you on....I don’t know what AJ was looking at while Cole was getting bludgeoned in the first 3 innings. Yes. In a tough series there are times when players will struggle. That is when it is up to the manager to do everything he can to, if at all possible, make sure that one player’s struggles do not cause the team to lose the game. But they only scored one run against the bullpen in the final 4+ innings. In the second half of the game they managed one run in the final inning. That was unexpected. Surely you agree with that. "The fact that Cole pitched well enough in the regular season to warrant some consideration for the CY is totally irrelevant." How is that irrelevant? The guy was excellent most of the year and in his last playoff start. You don't normally rush to take those guys out in an early winnable game. The bottom line is that a lot of people failed throughout the game. Not just Cole, and not just Hinch. It was a poor game from a number of people which is why we lost. In any case, I'll stick with the guys that have helped make us winners. It's just my opinion (granted an unpopular one when we lose). |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 16, 2018 9:25:53 GMT -6
Saint, please. The offense scored 5 runs. When you score 5 runs you have got to win that game, but you are not going to win that game when your manager sits on his hands and watches his starter give up the same 5 runs in 3 innings. The fact that Cole pitched well enough in the regular season to warrant some consideration for the CY is totally irrelevant. One thing I agree with you on....I don’t know what AJ was looking at while Cole was getting bludgeoned in the first 3 innings. Yes. In a tough series there are times when players will struggle. That is when it is up to the manager to do everything he can to, if at all possible, make sure that one player’s struggles do not cause the team to lose the game. But they only scored one run against the bullpen in the final 4+ innings. In the second half of the game they managed one run in the final inning. That was unexpected. Surely you agree with that. "The fact that Cole pitched well enough in the regular season to warrant some consideration for the CY is totally irrelevant." How is that irrelevant? The guy was excellent most of the year and in his last playoff start. You don't normally rush to take those guys out in an early winnable game. The bottom line is that a lot of people failed throughout the game. Not just Cole, and not just Hinch. It was a poor game from a number of people which is why we lost. In any case, I'll stick with the guys that have helped make us winners. It's just my opinion (granted an unpopular one when we lose). Attaboy! |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 9:31:53 GMT -6
I think y'all are over thinking it. We had a starter on the mound that is going to finish in the top-10 in CY voting. He had a rough start but it was early in the game and the game was close. He then settled down and kept us in the game the next 2 innings. You'd think our offense could have managed more runs in the remaining 5 innings against the Boston bullpen. If Hinch had gone to the bullpen and the bullpen had cratered, I feel like he'd be getting called out for that as well. There is too much going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to, that the manager and coaching staff are aware of. We don't know what type of matchups they're looking at, or series game plan they have in mind. The combination of Luhnow, Hinch, and Strom have done wonders with the pitching staff over the last few years. Sometimes you just have to have a little faith. Nobody wants to see a lead blown, but in a tough series you're going to struggle some. I can't believe you wrote that. 1. Regular season performance is irrelevant to performance in this game. 2. Now, magically, you feel that the manager and coaches are privy to behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about...except as it pertains to catchers, or Osuna I guess? On catchers and Osuna, Saint knows best facts. 3. So, since the bullpen MIGHT have cratered and caused Hinchy-poo to take some flak, Saint thinks he was right to stick with a pitcher who obviously WAS cratering and leave the relief pitchers (rated best in baseball) on the pine. Got it. 1. So what players have done in the past should have no bearing on decisions that are made now? That makes it pretty hard to decide or plan anything ever.... Are you joking or not? I can't tell with your posts most of the time anymore. 2. I've said that the entire year.... I've also said multiple times that they must see something in Maldonado's veteran experience to warrant starting him (since we can't see it from his stats or performance). I guess you ignored those posts in order to make this snarky comment. I also said at the time that Osuna was a smart baseball move but I had concerns with how it would play out with the clubhouse (thankfully it has been fine). I also didn't think it would be team changing (the way Pressly has been). I don't have anything against Osuna. I mostly just used him to needle Coach about the "wife-beating" thing, because, you know, Coach. 3. No, I'm saying that most people are what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of people and/or just have something against Hinch for some reason so that he can do no right no matter what choice he makes. I don't feel that my post defending Hinch was calling anybody out inappropriately, so I'm not sure why the overly snarky response from you was warranted... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 16, 2018 9:45:52 GMT -6
The whole problem is that you're completely inconsistent. You're the Ghick of this forum...you seem to change your opinions in order to be on the contrary side of any argument. None of your arguments above are accurate/honest responses to my points (and I just ignored your whining about my "snarky" way of talking, since every post you've ever made, anywhere, has been textbook snark, forever.) True to your form, you wave in the wind, changing your "facts" to fit whatever argument you're trying to make.
One final thing: Just because I disagree with you on these points is no reason for you to play Airport and announce your departure like you usually do. Don't leave, son!
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 10:13:33 GMT -6
You've said multiple times I'm inconsistent, but when I ask you for an example you never provide one. I can't fix something that isn't explained to me. I always try to use the same criteria in my assessments of anything. I'm only snarky with people that bring it initially. You won't do it because it isn't worth the time, but if you go back and look, I never insult anybody that hasn't insulted me first.
And I don't know what type of "accurate/honest" response you're wanting me to reply with.... I spoke the truth in my comments.
So I make one post that I'm leaving since I was told my arguing was keeping others from joining the board and suddenly that means I "usually" do? I never posted a word when I stopped visiting the old board. I just left because it ceased to be fun.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 16, 2018 11:23:08 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 11:24:26 GMT -6
I can't believe you wrote that. 1. Regular season performance is irrelevant to performance in this game. 2. Now, magically, you feel that the manager and coaches are privy to behind the scenes stuff that we don't know about...except as it pertains to catchers, or Osuna I guess? On catchers and Osuna, Saint knows best facts. 3. So, since the bullpen MIGHT have cratered and caused Hinchy-poo to take some flak, Saint thinks he was right to stick with a pitcher who obviously WAS cratering and leave the relief pitchers (rated best in baseball) on the pine. Got it. 1. So what players have done in the past should have no bearing on decisions that are made now? That makes it pretty hard to decide or plan anything ever.... Are you joking or not? I can't tell with your posts most of the time anymore. 2. I've said that the entire year.... I've also said multiple times that they must see something in Maldonado's veteran experience to warrant starting him (since we can't see it from his stats or performance). I guess you ignored those posts in order to make this snarky comment. I also said at the time that Osuna was a smart baseball move but I had concerns with how it would play out with the clubhouse (thankfully it has been fine). I also didn't think it would be team changing (the way Pressly has been). I don't have anything against Osuna. I mostly just used him to needle Coach about the "wife-beating" thing, because, you know, Coach. 3. No, I'm saying that most people are what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of people and/or just have something against Hinch for some reason so that he can do no right no matter what choice he makes. I don't feel that my post defending Hinch was calling anybody out inappropriately, so I'm not sure why the overly snarky response from you was warranted... 1. What a player does during the regular season often has little to do with what he does in the post-season. Some deal with pressure differently than others.....some seem to thrive on it and some put so much pressure on themselves that they are not close to the player they were in the regular season. 2. What you say about Maldonado is mostly false and based on your personal bias since he replaced Stassi, who you greatly over-evaluated. Maldonado has a GOLD GLOVE, but, had a bad game in game 2 so you continue your bullshit about how bad of a catcher he is even though his track record says otherwise. They got him to shut down running games and to handle pitchers since McCann was injured and Verlander and others were uncomfortable working with Stassi. 3. It is a proven FACT that some guys produce better in the post -season than others. Springrer had a horrible slump during the regular season, but, that has nothing to do with what he is doing now. 4. I support most of Hinch's decisions, but, his main weakness is sticking with a starting pitcher too long as he did with Cole in game 2. He sometimes goes to relievers who are going badly because they have been effective in the past. Rondon did well for most of the season, but, was horrible at the end which caused Hinch to leave him off the ALDS roster......Rondon pouts and AJ puts him back on the roster and removes Straw, whose speed paid dividends against Cleveland. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -6
1. So what players have done in the past should have no bearing on decisions that are made now? That makes it pretty hard to decide or plan anything ever.... Are you joking or not? I can't tell with your posts most of the time anymore. 2. I've said that the entire year.... I've also said multiple times that they must see something in Maldonado's veteran experience to warrant starting him (since we can't see it from his stats or performance). I guess you ignored those posts in order to make this snarky comment. I also said at the time that Osuna was a smart baseball move but I had concerns with how it would play out with the clubhouse (thankfully it has been fine). I also didn't think it would be team changing (the way Pressly has been). I don't have anything against Osuna. I mostly just used him to needle Coach about the "wife-beating" thing, because, you know, Coach. 3. No, I'm saying that most people are what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of people and/or just have something against Hinch for some reason so that he can do no right no matter what choice he makes. I don't feel that my post defending Hinch was calling anybody out inappropriately, so I'm not sure why the overly snarky response from you was warranted... 1. What a player does during the regular season often has little to do with what he does in the post-season. Some deal with pressure differently than others.....some seem to thrive on it and some put so much pressure on themselves that they are not close to the player they were in the regular season. 2. What you say about Maldonado is mostly false and based on your personal bias since he replaced Stassi, who you greatly over-evaluated. Maldonado has a GOLD GLOVE, but, had a bad game in game 2 so you continue your bullshit about how bad of a catcher he is even though his track record says otherwise. They got him to shut down running games and to handle pitchers since McCann was injured and Verlander and others were uncomfortable working with Stassi. 3. It is a proven FACT that some guys produce better in the post -season than others. Springrer had a horrible slump during the regular season, but, that has nothing to do with what he is doing now. 4. I support most of Hinch's decisions, but, his main weakness is sticking with a starting pitcher too long as he did with Cole in game 2. He sometimes goes to relievers who are going badly because they have been effective in the past. Rondon did well for most of the season, but, was horrible at the end which caused Hinch to leave him off the ALDS roster......Rondon pouts and AJ puts him back on the roster and removes Straw, whose speed paid dividends against Cleveland. 🙄 |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 12:12:51 GMT -6
1. What a player does during the regular season often has little to do with what he does in the post-season. Some deal with pressure differently than others.....some seem to thrive on it and some put so much pressure on themselves that they are not close to the player they were in the regular season. 2. What you say about Maldonado is mostly false and based on your personal bias since he replaced Stassi, who you greatly over-evaluated. Maldonado has a GOLD GLOVE, but, had a bad game in game 2 so you continue your bullshit about how bad of a catcher he is even though his track record says otherwise. They got him to shut down running games and to handle pitchers since McCann was injured and Verlander and others were uncomfortable working with Stassi. 3. It is a proven FACT that some guys produce better in the post -season than others. Springrer had a horrible slump during the regular season, but, that has nothing to do with what he is doing now. 4. I support most of Hinch's decisions, but, his main weakness is sticking with a starting pitcher too long as he did with Cole in game 2. He sometimes goes to relievers who are going badly because they have been effective in the past. Rondon did well for most of the season, but, was horrible at the end which caused Hinch to leave him off the ALDS roster......Rondon pouts and AJ puts him back on the roster and removes Straw, whose speed paid dividends against Cleveland. 🙄 Thank you for continuing to show that you are too damn dumb to remotely comprehend the difference in regular season and post-season just like you are too dense to know that Stassi is an average backup catcher who made the regular season roster mostly because he was out of options and we didn't have anyone else to back up McCann. Then, they go get a gold glove catcher in Maldonado to take over so they don't have to rely on Stassi. Your immediate response was to blast the trade and announce that Maldonado would not make the post -season roster...then, when your boy Stassi is left off.......as most of knew he would be since McCann was back......you decide to "rate" the players and rate Stassi ahead of BOTH catchers who are on the post-season roster. Then, when Maldonado has a bad game......for once......you piss yourself because you are so happy that he looked bad. I wish you would announce you were leaving again to give us all another laugh........you crave attention too much to leave and stay gone. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 12:21:06 GMT -6
Thank you for continuing to show that you are too damn dumb to remotely comprehend the difference in regular season and post-season just like you are too dense to know that Stassi is an average backup catcher who made the regular season roster mostly because he was out of options and we didn't have anyone else to back up McCann. Then, they go get a gold glove catcher in Maldonado to take over so they don't have to rely on Stassi. Your immediate response was to blast the trade and announce that Maldonado would not make the post -season roster...then, when your boy Stassi is left off.......as most of knew he would be since McCann was back......you decide to "rate" the players and rate Stassi ahead of BOTH catchers who are on the post-season roster. Then, when Maldonado has a bad game......for once......you piss yourself because you are so happy that he looked bad. I wish you would announce you were leaving again to give us all another laugh........you crave attention too much to leave and stay gone. 🤮 |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 12:24:32 GMT -6
Just heard a pre-game press conference with AJ and Charlie Morton. AJ just referred to Maldonado as "one of the most gifted catchers he has ever been around" and said he trusts him totally in any game.
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 12:29:03 GMT -6
Thank you for continuing to show that you are too damn dumb to remotely comprehend the difference in regular season and post-season just like you are too dense to know that Stassi is an average backup catcher who made the regular season roster mostly because he was out of options and we didn't have anyone else to back up McCann. Then, they go get a gold glove catcher in Maldonado to take over so they don't have to rely on Stassi. Your immediate response was to blast the trade and announce that Maldonado would not make the post -season roster...then, when your boy Stassi is left off.......as most of knew he would be since McCann was back......you decide to "rate" the players and rate Stassi ahead of BOTH catchers who are on the post-season roster. Then, when Maldonado has a bad game......for once......you piss yourself because you are so happy that he looked bad. I wish you would announce you were leaving again to give us all another laugh........you crave attention too much to leave and stay gone. 🤮  illustrates your IQ |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 16, 2018 12:31:38 GMT -6
The main thing Hinch did that I disagreed with was putting Rondon on the roster and then using him at the wrong time. For some reason, Cole has a history of giving up runs as soon as our offense gets the lead. He was lucky to get out of the first by only giving up two, Then, as soon as we take the lead, he gives it all back and we basically lose the game in the third inning. AJ had McHugh warming up and why he left Cole in the game is something I would like to hear from him. We failed to take advantage of too many opportunities. I wish I had some confidence in Keuchel against Boston, but, I just don't I’d rather Rondon extend a deficit than blow a lead. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 12:37:59 GMT -6
I’d rather Rondon extend a deficit than blow a lead. he should not be on this roster for two reasons.........being ineffective and pouting about being left off the ALDS roster. We needed Straw more than we need Rondon. |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 16, 2018 12:59:50 GMT -6
Rondón's on a razor's edge as far as how many high leverage situations he can expect to be called upon from here on out. He'll probably be off the WS roster again if we get that far he should not be on this roster for two reasons.........being ineffective and pouting about being left off the ALDS roster. We needed Straw more than we need Rondon. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Oct 16, 2018 13:04:53 GMT -6
he should not be on this roster for two reasons.........being ineffective and pouting about being left off the ALDS roster. We needed Straw more than we need Rondon. Luhnow could have been involved since Rondon is under contract for 2019, but, we need the best roster even though Rondon could be upset. If he wanted on the roster, he should have done better in September. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 16, 2018 13:33:41 GMT -6
1. So what players have done in the past should have no bearing on decisions that are made now? Ken Giles: 2017 Regular season - 2.30 ERA, 34 “saves” in 38 “save” opportunities, BAA .198 2017 ALDS - 6.00 ERA, 3 IP, 2 ER, BAA .250 2017 ALCS - 9.00 ERA, 3 IP, 3 ER, BAA .357 2017 WS - 27.00 ERA, 1.2 IP, 5 ER, BAA .444 Fortunately Giles’ past performance in the 2017 regular season had no bearing on the decision AJ made to not use Giles anymore after his second appearance in the WS. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 13:59:55 GMT -6
1. So what players have done in the past should have no bearing on decisions that are made now? Ken Giles: 2017 Regular season - 2.30 ERA, 34 “saves” in 38 “save” opportunities, BAA .198 2017 ALDS - 6.00 ERA, 3 IP, 2 ER, BAA .250 2017 ALCS - 9.00 ERA, 3 IP, 3 ER, BAA .357 2017 WS - 27.00 ERA, 1.2 IP, 5 ER, BAA .444 Fortunately Giles’ past performance in the 2017 regular season had no bearing on the decision AJ made to not use Giles anymore after his second appearance in the WS. So then let's let Marisnick bat cleanup and have Peacock start Game 3. It's one thing to have a short leash (or no leash) with somebody that was struggling in the postseason, but Cole had been dominant in the ALDS. |
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Post by olpapa on Oct 16, 2018 15:06:15 GMT -6
Ken Giles: 2017 Regular season - 2.30 ERA, 34 “saves” in 38 “save” opportunities, BAA .198 2017 ALDS - 6.00 ERA, 3 IP, 2 ER, BAA .250 2017 ALCS - 9.00 ERA, 3 IP, 3 ER, BAA .357 2017 WS - 27.00 ERA, 1.2 IP, 5 ER, BAA .444 Fortunately Giles’ past performance in the 2017 regular season had no bearing on the decision AJ made to not use Giles anymore after his second appearance in the WS. So then let's let Marisnick bat cleanup and have Peacock start Game 3. It's one thing to have a short leash (or no leash) with somebody that was struggling in the postseason, but Cole had been dominant in the ALDS. You’re grasping for straws. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 16, 2018 15:11:34 GMT -6
So then let's let Marisnick bat cleanup and have Peacock start Game 3. It's one thing to have a short leash (or no leash) with somebody that was struggling in the postseason, but Cole had been dominant in the ALDS. You’re grasping for straws. I'm just making a point. The regular season has to count for part of your decisions in the postseason. |
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