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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 15:13:16 GMT -6
I wanted to ask if the Astros add Cruz and Realmuto. And some how add someone like Clay Bucholtz? Do you think Verlander and Cole both say to them selves hey I wanna win and win and win. If I stay for less then market value like Verlander for 15 to 20 or Cole same as the Corbin deal. Would that be fair or do you think they run. For the money He has won everything he could hope to win as a player. I'm sure he would prefer to play for a winner since he is so competitive, but he'll also want to maximize the remaining money he can earn as a player. He has no real reason to stay loyal to the Astros if somebody offers him a better contract on a good team. There will be plenty of contending teams that will want him. Cole: He'll be a top free agent pitcher for the first time and in his prime with lots of proven success. This is best chance to make big money (like Keuchel), and, like Verlander, he has no reason to stay loyal to the Astros if he gets a better offer. Of the two, I think there is a better chance of keeping Verlander on a 3-year $65 million type deal if he maintains his elite level this next year. Cole will want and deserve AT LEAST a Corbin-type deal if not more. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 15:13:32 GMT -6
I still think there is a $35 million a year contract out there for him. Nationals. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 15:14:34 GMT -6
Bregman is a tool. I'm glad he is an Astro, but he's a tool.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 15:19:36 GMT -6
I wanted to ask if the Astros add Cruz and Realmuto. And some how add someone like Clay Bucholtz? Do you think Verlander and Cole both say to them selves hey I wanna win and win and win. If I stay for less then market value like Verlander for 15 to 20 or Cole same as the Corbin deal. Would that be fair or do you think they run. For the money Of the two, I think there is a better chance of keeping Verlander on a 3-year $65 million type deal if he maintains his elite level this next year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 15:23:03 GMT -6
I don’t think Crane wants to go over the luxury tax. That’s why we see these short term deals with free agents. I guess I missed that. I don't remember us offering that big contract to Encarnacion |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 15:25:18 GMT -6
I gotta say I'm surprised Brantley came here on a 2yr/$32M after Encarnación rejected a 3yr/$66M offer from us. I guess winning the World Series is the best hometown discount I guess I missed that. I don't remember us offering that big contract to Encarnacion |
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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 15:26:22 GMT -6
Of the two, I think there is a better chance of keeping Verlander on a 3-year $65 million type deal if he maintains his elite level this next year. And it might not be enough if he has another CY-caliber season. Nolan was from another world, but if Verlander follows a similar pattern this is what Nolan averaged per season from age 36-40: 11-11 200 IP 211 Ks 3.20 ERA (111 ERA+) Two top-10 CY seasons and an all-star appearance |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 15:29:02 GMT -6
That's a bargain for a future HOFer if you ask me And it might not be enough if he has another CY-caliber season. Nolan was from another world, but if Verlander follows a similar pattern this is what Nolan averaged per season from age 36-40: 11-11 200 IP 211 Ks 3.20 ERA (111 ERA+) Two top-10 CY seasons and an all-star appearance |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 15:30:40 GMT -6
Fact is that we don't know exactly what we get from anyone. Injuries like we had last year and down years are all possibilities. In 2017, we had a few guys who had career years. We had a great year from Peacock who moved into the rotation. Morton had his best two years ever while we had him. It looks like Luhnow is more concerned with adding offense than pitching, although I'm sre we add at least one starting pitcher. For all we know, Reddick could hit around .280 with 20 hone runs......not likely, but, a possibility. Cole could win he Cy Young. It is impossible to know what some guys will do. Tucker could show up and win Rookie of the Year.If he does, I want him to win it in an Astros uniform. Reddick could hit around 280 with 20 home runs, but if I had to wager my money it would be on Altuve doing that well or better in 2019 before it would be on Reddick. Players have a range of expectations, some guys break out and some guys fall by the wayside. Those are the outliers and my guess is that what Cole did last year will become thought of as one of his best years not one of his average years. So no way would I sign him this off season to an extention, he would expect Verlander type money if he had any sense at all. I won't be surprised if Altuve has a year where he hits at least. 330, scores 100 runs, and drives in at least 90. His power numbers were way down last year......a lot of that due to injury. The guy who has to have a bounce back year is Correa or I would consider trading him before he can become a FA. he is under control for at least 3 more years. If he is injury free, we should see the version we had in 2017. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 15:30:46 GMT -6
He said, "BIG NEWS COMING SOON." Which could mean anything. I highly doubt Luhnow calls Bregman and lets him know all the signings and trades he is working on. He's probably releasing another video of him over-tipping a waitress. Next. Dang, I didn't know Lunow had Bregman on his Speed Dial.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 15:32:57 GMT -6
And it might not be enough if he has another CY-caliber season. Nolan was from another world, but if Verlander follows a similar pattern this is what Nolan averaged per season from age 36-40: 11-11 200 IP 211 Ks 3.20 ERA (111 ERA+) Two top-10 CY seasons and an all-star appearance Well worth it. Instruct Whitley and JB to be "sponges" ala LaLoosh / Crash Davis with Mr. Verlander. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 15:34:24 GMT -6
And it might not be enough if he has another CY-caliber season. Nolan was from another world, but if Verlander follows a similar pattern this is what Nolan averaged per season from age 36-40: 11-11 200 IP 211 Ks 3.20 ERA (111 ERA+) Two top-10 CY seasons and an all-star appearance For someone like Verlander at his age I'd be all for adding multiple good options based on performance. Offer him $20 million per year base for three years with performance-based option potential for another $10 mil per year, plus a mutual option on a 4th year. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 18, 2018 15:35:39 GMT -6
Bregman is a tool. I'm glad he is an Astro, but he's a tool. Agreed. Can't stand him. Glad we have him at this time, though. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 15:36:14 GMT -6
I guess I missed that. I don't remember us offering that big contract to Encarnacion thanks for your usual smart ass remark. I'm sure your little friend, punk ass astros fan is impressed. But, in response to your comment about Luhnow, explain how you know what the hell he did at the Winter Meetings. In every interview, he was totally inconsistent in what he said. He has since signed Brantley, but, still has not acquired the pitching help we need. You can put your head back up your ass now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 15:39:00 GMT -6
You know I'd do 3yr/$75M for JV. Even if he spent 2021 in the bullpen For someone like Verlander at his age I'd be all for adding multiple good options based on performance. Offer him $20 million per year base for three years with performance-based option potential for another $10 mil per year, plus a mutual option on a 4th year. That is more reasonable for a pitcher his age than 3 years/ $75 million. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 15:42:44 GMT -6
For someone like Verlander at his age I'd be all for adding multiple good options based on performance. Offer him $20 million per year base for three years with performance-based option potential for another $10 mil per year, plus a mutual option on a 4th year. That is more reasonable for a pitcher his age than 3 years/ $75 million. He might be one of those flukes that ages really well (he already is to an extent). If he can close to duplicate what he did in 2018, that might be what it takes. That level of performance with leadership qualities, star power (getting butts in seats), and a high level of health is very valuable. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 15:46:10 GMT -6
Fact is that we don't know exactly what we get from anyone. Injuries like we had last year and down years are all possibilities. In 2017, we had a few guys who had career years. We had a great year from Peacock who moved into the rotation. Morton had his best two years ever while we had him. It looks like Luhnow is more concerned with adding offense than pitching, although I'm sre we add at least one starting pitcher. For all we know, Reddick could hit around .280 with 20 hone runs......not likely, but, a possibility. Cole could win he Cy Young. It is impossible to know what some guys will do. Tucker could show up and win Rookie of the Year.If he does, I want him to win it in an Astros uniform. Reddick could hit around 280 with 20 home runs, but if I had to wager my money it would be on Altuve doing that well or better in 2019 before it would be on Reddick. Players have a range of expectations, some guys break out and some guys fall by the wayside. Those are the outliers and my guess is that what Cole did last year will become thought of as one of his best years not one of his average years. So no way would I sign him this off season to an extention, he would expect Verlander type money if he had any sense at all. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 18, 2018 15:55:26 GMT -6
Bregman is a tool. I'm glad he is an Astro, but he's a tool. Agreed. Can't stand him. Glad we have him at this time, though. That’s how I’d feel about Harper. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 15:58:04 GMT -6
Agreed. Can't stand him. Glad we have him at this time, though. That’s how I’d feel about Harper. Except Harper take Dbaggery to three levels higher. I'd be sick if he was signed. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 15:58:41 GMT -6
That is more reasonable for a pitcher his age than 3 years/ $75 million. He might be one of those flukes that ages really well (he already is to an extent). If he can close to duplicate what he did in 2018, that might be what it takes. That level of performance with leadership qualities, star power (getting butts in seats), and a high level of health is very valuable. I doubt if he can continue his present pace until his mid 40's like Nolan Ryan did. I hope Crane doesn't treat Verlander the way McMullen did Ryan and decide he's too old and let him go. Nolan set the striekout record, won his 300th game, abd pitched 2 no-hitters in a Rangers uniform after McMullen refused to extend him. We don't need to make that mistake with Verlander. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 18, 2018 15:59:26 GMT -6
That’s how I’d feel about Harper. Except Harper take Dbaggery to three levels higher. I'd be sick if he was signed. Barry Bonds was the biggest d-bag, but are you telling me you wouldn’t want him on your team? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 16:00:27 GMT -6
I echo the sentiments of those who don't Harper....Spend that money to extend pitchers and Springer.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 18, 2018 16:02:17 GMT -6
Reddick could hit around 280 with 20 home runs, but if I had to wager my money it would be on Altuve doing that well or better in 2019 before it would be on Reddick. Players have a range of expectations, some guys break out and some guys fall by the wayside. Those are the outliers and my guess is that what Cole did last year will become thought of as one of his best years not one of his average years. So no way would I sign him this off season to an extention, he would expect Verlander type money if he had any sense at all. And assholes like you know it, too......right? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 16:03:34 GMT -6
Except Harper take Dbaggery to three levels higher. I'd be sick if he was signed. Barry Bonds was the biggest d-bag, but are you telling me you wouldn’t want him on your team? No I wouldn't. Needle hazard signs would have to be posted in the clubhouse. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 18, 2018 16:08:17 GMT -6
For those of us that don't use Instatwat, what did the Bregman thing say? He said, "BIG NEWS COMING SOON." Which could mean anything. I highly doubt Luhnow calls Bregman and lets him know all the signings and trades he is working on. Scenario 1. Bregman's going to be a father.
Scenario 2. They make the formal announcement that Brantley has signed.
Scenario 3. There is something actually surprising. Least likely.
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Post by Saint on Dec 18, 2018 16:09:00 GMT -6
He might be one of those flukes that ages really well (he already is to an extent). If he can close to duplicate what he did in 2018, that might be what it takes. That level of performance with leadership qualities, star power (getting butts in seats), and a high level of health is very valuable. I doubt if he can continue his present pace until his mid 40's like Nolan Ryan did. I hope Crane doesn't treat Verlander the way McMullen did Ryan and decide he's too old and let him go. Nolan set the striekout record, won his 300th game, abd pitched 2 no-hitters in a Rangers uniform after McMullen refused to extend him. We don't need to make that mistake with Verlander. Sure, but remember that Nolan was a freak of nature even for back then. Nobody could have expected him to maintain his performance at that age (hell, he was arguably at his best as a Ranger). |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 18, 2018 16:14:26 GMT -6
Except Harper take Dbaggery to three levels higher. I'd be sick if he was signed. Barry Bonds was the biggest d-bag, but are you telling me you wouldn’t want him on your team? I would n't, but I know that is easy to say when he never played for the Astros... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 18, 2018 16:15:33 GMT -6
Barry Bonds was the biggest d-bag, but are you telling me you wouldn’t want him on your team? I would n't, but I know that is easy to say when he never played for the Astros... Well not if the Astros traded for Bonds ...it wouod probably be different if he came up from the Astros farm system. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 18, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -6
I'm sure your little friend, punk ass astros fan is impressed. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 18, 2018 16:18:03 GMT -6
I'm sure your little friend, punk ass astros fan is impressed. Could you imagine Corch and PoP going at it.... |
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