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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 19, 2018 16:13:44 GMT -6
Is that supposed to be fun and exciting? It's entertaining. 🙄 |
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Post by marshall on Dec 19, 2018 16:17:43 GMT -6
How do we fit White into the lineup? 1B and let Yuli DH or let him DH? He's too good to keep on the bench.
First Last Pos Year OPS+ OPS+/ERA+
George Springer CF 2017 141 116
Jose Altuve 2B 2017 160 133
Alex Bregman 3B 2018 156 156
Carlos Correa SS 2017 155 102
Michael Brantley LF 2018 123 123
Yuli Gurriel 1B 2017 121 108
Josh Reddick RF 2017 130 99
Tyler White DH 2018 143 143
Robinson Chirinos C 2017 120 97
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 16:23:09 GMT -6
VD's whacked out trade proposal s are more entertaining. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 16:30:15 GMT -6
How do we fit White into the lineup? 1B and let Yuli DH or let him DH? He's too good to keep on the bench.
First Last Pos Year OPS+ OPS+/ERA+
George Springer CF 2017 141 116
Jose Altuve 2B 2017 160 133
Alex Bregman 3B 2018 156 156
Carlos Correa SS 2017 155 102
Michael Brantley LF 2018 123 123
Yuli Gurriel 1B 2017 121 108
Josh Reddick RF 2017 130 99
Tyler White DH 2018 143 143
Robinson Chirinos C 2017 120 97
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 19, 2018 16:32:51 GMT -6
How do we fit White into the lineup? 1B and let Yuli DH or let him DH? He's too good to keep on the bench. Part of the equation has to be that Yuli is likely to have more power this year, as he will be a year removed from hamate surgery. I still expect White to hit for a higher OPS than Yuli this year but the disparity between the two probably won't be as big as last season. I don't see that Cruz would be worth the money he would cost; White probably ends up hitting for a higher OPS than Cruz this year anyway, and White is cheap. Better to spend that money on SP. I'd pencil in Yuli as the everyday 1B and White as the everyday DH. The exception would be games where the opposing SP has a strong groundball tendency, in which case I'd let Reddick DH as he's got a career OPS of about .825 vs GB pitchers. If for some reason Yuli needs to cover 3B or 2B, White is always there as a backup 1B. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 19, 2018 17:00:47 GMT -6
I think you rotate Brantley in and out of DH to keep him healthy.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 19, 2018 17:08:05 GMT -6
I think you rotate Brantley in and out of DH to keep him healthy. ***** |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 17:23:50 GMT -6
I think you rotate Brantley in and out of DH to keep him healthy. i totally agree. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 19, 2018 18:20:01 GMT -6
VD's whacked out trade proposal s are more entertaining. What does VD refer to (other than the obvious)? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 18:22:17 GMT -6
VD's whacked out trade proposal s are more entertaining. What does VD refer to (other than the obvious)? Voodoo, his old screen name |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 19, 2018 18:28:49 GMT -6
oic
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 19:12:09 GMT -6
FTR - I think the Astros should keep Tucker, but I would understand, given Verlander and Cole are pending FAs next off-seadon, if they gave him up for Kluber. Kluber is under team control for 3 years, and he could anchor the rotation if Verlander and Cole leave next year.
I am not for Realmuto if it costs Tucker... Chirinos and Stassi are a good catching tandem this year...Stubb's hopefully get the call later this year...and the it is Stubb's and Stassi next year...
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 19, 2018 20:13:51 GMT -6
Woooooooooot
Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto
Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers.
#Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 20:28:43 GMT -6
Woooooooooot Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers. #Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved Not good news. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 20:29:48 GMT -6
Woooooooooot Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers. #Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved Astros need a top of rotation starter that has team control for 3 years...not a catcher for 2 years. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 20:30:27 GMT -6
Woooooooooot Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers. #Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved If Luhnow is offering Tucker, I hope the Marlins turn it down. If we can get Realmuto and keep Tucker, go for it. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 19, 2018 20:31:26 GMT -6
Woooooooooot Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers. #Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved If Luhnow is offering Tucker, I hope the Marlins turn it down. If we can get Realmuto and keep Tucker, go for it. I hope so too. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 20:33:59 GMT -6
Woooooooooot Updated MLB Rumors: Astros making progress with Marlins in trade discussions centered around @jtrealmuto Source: As of right now Houston has best offer on table, Miami is moving at snails pace but seem to be ready to narrow down offers. #Braves #Rockies #Dodgers also involved Astros need a top of rotation starter that has team control for 3 years...not a catcher for 2 years. I would be happy to get Realmuto, but, I don't want to lose Tucker to get him. We have more pressing needs regarding the pitching staff than to give Tucker away for Realmuto. If Luhnow does that, I'm going to post reminders whenver Tucker makes a fool out of us for trading him. Luhnow gave Hader away for Fiers..........he released JD Martinez.....we don't need to deal Tucker at this point. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 19, 2018 21:34:55 GMT -6
Tucker could be Fisher
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 19, 2018 21:42:54 GMT -6
What are you guys gonna do if Tucker flops with the fish?
Still gonna cry
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 23:31:18 GMT -6
Tucker could also be Bregman without the attitude. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 19, 2018 23:35:35 GMT -6
What are you guys gonna do if Tucker flops with the fish? Still gonna cry Tucker isn't a fish yet and my guess is that he won't be. Luhnow knows that the Marlins overplayed their hand and he has trade pieces to offer without including Tucker. The Marlins are have backed off some from the beginning and they will back off some more. They know that Realmuto wants to be traded and won't be happy staying in Miami...he's gone to somebody and we can make better offers than most other teams. I don't think Miami deals him to the Phillies or Braves because they are in the same division. We can probably get him without giving up Tucker. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 19, 2018 23:43:07 GMT -6
If Realmuto comes to Houston - and that's a big "if" -- I doubt Tucker will be part of the trade. I could see something built around Yordan Alvarez and JB Bukauskas. Maybe those two plus Garrett Stubbs or Max Stassi. That would give Miami three guys with a legit shot at sticking in the big leagues, with good odds that 2 of the 3 will, and will do so in time for Miami's next window of contention. Also it gives them a catcher to replace Realmuto.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2018 0:09:04 GMT -6
In all this Realmuto talk, are we forgetting about the decline of starting pitching from last season?
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 20, 2018 0:13:43 GMT -6
In all this Realmuto talk, are we forgetting about the decline of starting pitching from last season? I think Luhnow is looking to sign a FA pitcher instead of trading for one. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 20, 2018 0:15:23 GMT -6
If Realmuto comes to Houston - and that's a big "if" -- I doubt Tucker will be part of the trade. I could see something built around Yordan Alvarez and JB Bukauskas. Maybe those two plus Garrett Stubbs or Max Stassi. That would give Miami three guys with a legit shot at sticking in the big leagues, with good odds that 2 of the 3 will, and will do so in time for Miami's next window of contention. Also it gives them a catcher to replace Realmuto. i would try to sign Cruz as DH. Trade Alvarez, Bukauskas, Stassi, and Tyler white or Tony Kemp for Realmuto and keep Stubbs out of the deal. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 20, 2018 1:49:14 GMT -6
If Realmuto comes to Houston - and that's a big "if" -- I doubt Tucker will be part of the trade. I could see something built around Yordan Alvarez and JB Bukauskas. Maybe those two plus Garrett Stubbs or Max Stassi. That would give Miami three guys with a legit shot at sticking in the big leagues, with good odds that 2 of the 3 will, and will do so in time for Miami's next window of contention. Also it gives them a catcher to replace Realmuto. I agree with you on that point, the Marlins most likely will be looking for more than a one for one exchange for Realmuto. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 1:56:00 GMT -6
In all this Realmuto talk, are we forgetting about the decline of starting pitching from last season? It's not an either/or scenario unless the same player is involved in both trade proposals. We have our star prospects as well as numerous prospects who would be star prospects on many other teams. We are also motivated to move those players before we lose the ability to protect them in the minors.
We certainly don't want to trade away potential #1 pitchers for 6 years to get a #3 for 1 or 2 years. We might just have a youth movement at the pitching position. But we might trade for a league average pitcher for players we might lose because they're blocked for the duration of their control. It boils down to player evaluation AND luck. There's nothing you can do about luck, but we've got a pretty good (not perfect) player evaluator. At least I think we do.
Every one knows about Whitley. He's certainly got the potential to be a #1 on most teams and probably ours in 2020 if we don't retain either Verlander or Cole. He just needs to be used carefully as he works up to a major league workload. We also have McHugh and Peacock in the wings, so we're not desperate. Most people like Josh James as well. I'm leaving out Perez and Valdez who are great to have at the ready in case of injury.
We are not desperate for pitching or prospects. But every trade should be evaluated for both short term and long term success.
I'm not one who thinks we have to dump the future in order to win today. But maybe I'm just too stuck in the old school of thinking. We're not like we used to be. A middle market team who had to bet the future for short term success because we couldn't afford to compete consistently. Believe it or not, we are a large market team and can compete with the Stankees, Robots and LA LA Lunatics by fielding teams with the potential of winning it all every year.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 6:32:36 GMT -6
If Realmuto comes to Houston - and that's a big "if" -- I doubt Tucker will be part of the trade. I could see something built around Yordan Alvarez and JB Bukauskas. Maybe those two plus Garrett Stubbs or Max Stassi. That would give Miami three guys with a legit shot at sticking in the big leagues, with good odds that 2 of the 3 will, and will do so in time for Miami's next window of contention. Also it gives them a catcher to replace Realmuto. i would try to sign Cruz as DH. Trade Alvarez, Bukauskas, Stassi, and Tyler white or Tony Kemp for Realmuto and keep Stubbs out of the deal. I don't see a trade happening without Stubbs for Realmuto.. Plus, I am no longer on trading for Realmuto. The Astros have rotation needs this year, and next season is just scary on rotation needs..... If they are going to trade away top prospects it needs to be for a SP or no trade at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 6:39:35 GMT -6
i would try to sign Cruz as DH. Trade Alvarez, Bukauskas, Stassi, and Tyler white or Tony Kemp for Realmuto and keep Stubbs out of the deal. I don't see a trade happening without Stubbs for Realmuto.. Plus, I am no longer on trading for Realmuto. The Astros have rotation needs this year, and next season is just scary on rotation needs..... If they are going to trade away top prospects it needs to be for a SP or no trade at all. You are right Thomas. With the loss of Kuechel and one year of McCullers, we have gone from the best staff, to maybe 5th or 6th.. |
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