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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2018 6:39:57 GMT -6
Like I’ve said before these proposed deals for offense are only okay if they lock up some pitching whether by extension, signing, or trade.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 6:40:05 GMT -6
My off-season goal would be:
Trade for Kluber - without giving up Tucker (but might have to - but definitely not Whitley, he is untouchable)
Sign Trevor Cahill to a 2 year deal with 3rd year option. (Look at his last year numbers and also his spin rate and velo - he could be the next Morton).
If White or Yuli were a part of the deal to get Kluber, then sign Cruz
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 6:44:29 GMT -6
My off-season goal would be: Trade for Kluber - without giving up Tucker (but might have to - but definitely not Whitley, he is untouchable) Sign Trevor Cahill to a 2 year deal with 3rd year option. (Look at his last year numbers and also his spin rate and velo - he could be the next Morton). If White or Yuli were a part of the deal to get Kluber, then sign Cruz Kluber is a MLB Top 5 pitcher. Afraid he is going to be tough to snag without giving up alot. Unless the Indians are deciding to go into sell/rebuld mode (which i doubt), I don't see him being offered up either. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 6:50:53 GMT -6
I don't see a trade happening without Stubbs for Realmuto.. Plus, I am no longer on trading for Realmuto. The Astros have rotation needs this year, and next season is just scary on rotation needs..... If they are going to trade away top prospects it needs to be for a SP or no trade at all. You are right Thomas. With the loss of Kuechel and one year of McCullers, we have gone from the best staff, to maybe 5th or 6th.. A great 1-2 punch, but a big drop from rest of rotation compared to last season. Not to mention, by possibly moving McHugh, Peacock and James out of the pen, to make up for the departures of Morton, more than likely Keuchel and McCullers injury, the bullpen took a serious hit as well. I am at a loss for why people think it is just an easy plug and play scenario for 2019.....and how so many are not overly concerned about 2020, which looks to be a huge restart button from 2018, the best in the majors rotation, to maybe one of the worst. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 20, 2018 6:51:51 GMT -6
I just don’t see Kluber being traded. They gave Carrasco an extension. I also don’t see the Indians wanting to split the two of them up. Plus, they brought back Santana so I don’t see them trying to shed any payroll.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 7:04:16 GMT -6
I just don’t see Kluber being traded. They gave Carrasco an extension. I don’t see the Indians wanting to split them up. Plus, they brought back Santana so I don’t see them trying to shed any payroll. I really don't see it either, but it is being rumored. I would think they would ship out Bauer, with 2 years of control, first. However, if the Indians are offered something that sets the team so well into future, they might be inclined to give up there 32 year old pitcher Kluber and Kipnis (bad part of the dea - so someone take on his salary) For Alvarez (probably be Tucker), James, Kemp and Martin. Now if they actually took on Alvarez, and not Tucker, maybe the Astros could offer Reddick...The Indians do have OF needs, and Astros would be taking on unwanted /unneeded salary of Kipnis... Astros hopefully could send Kipnis elsewhere afterwards for some prospect. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 7:34:52 GMT -6
Theres no source but reading some threads
Tucker. J.B. and Stassi
Seems to be the price
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 7:37:14 GMT -6
Theres no source but reading some threads Tucker. J.B. and Stassi Seems to be the price For who? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 7:38:59 GMT -6
Theres no source but reading some threads Tucker. J.B. and Stassi Seems to be the price What? for Realmutto? Too high a price, no thanks. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 7:43:46 GMT -6
My off-season goal would be: Trade for Kluber - without giving up Tucker (but might have to - but definitely not Whitley, he is untouchable) Sign Trevor Cahill to a 2 year deal with 3rd year option. (Look at his last year numbers and also his spin rate and velo - he could be the next Morton). If White or Yuli were a part of the deal to get Kluber, then sign Cruz Following up on my ideal off-season scenario Rotation 2019 1. Verlander 2. Kluber (had to give up 2nd and 3rd best pitching prospects to get him, plus Alvarez or more than likely Tucker) 3. Cole 4. Cahill 5. McHugh Rotation 2020 - 1. Verlander or Cole - hopefully one of them re-signs 2. Kluber 3. Cahill 4. Whitley 5. ? |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2018 7:45:42 GMT -6
Theres no source but reading some threads Tucker. J.B. and Stassi Seems to be the price I agree with you on this one, I think that is the price and I think the trade happens today, tomorrow at the latest. I do not think Houston will go higher than this so no point in beating a dead horse, Luhnow will say this is it and then move on. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 7:47:47 GMT -6
Theres no source but reading some threads Tucker. J.B. and Stassi Seems to be the price I agree with you on this one, I think that is the price and I think the trade happens today, tomorrow at the latest. I do not think Houston will go higher than this so no point in beating a dead horse, Luhnow will say this is it and then move on. I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2018 8:08:14 GMT -6
My off-season goal would be: Trade for Kluber - without giving up Tucker (but might have to - but definitely not Whitley, he is untouchable) Sign Trevor Cahill to a 2 year deal with 3rd year option. (Look at his last year numbers and also his spin rate and velo - he could be the next Morton). If White or Yuli were a part of the deal to get Kluber, then sign Cruz Following up on my ideal off-season scenario Rotation 2019 1. Verlander 2. Kluber (had to give up 2nd and 3rd best pitching prospects to get him, plus Alvarez or more than likely Tucker) 3. Cole 4. Cahill 5. McHugh Rotation 2020 - 1. Verlander or Cole - hopefully one of them re-signs 2. Kluber 3. Cahill 4. Whitley 5. ? The trade they seem to be working hard on right now is Realmuto and by all accounts the Marlins are asking for everyone to give their best offer, so hold on for 36 hours and then see what we have left to trade. I do not think that we trade for Kluber or as far as that goes Grienke. It does not seem to be in the cards. Fulmer to me seems to be the logical trade candidate as his issues seem to be fixable and he has a lot of team control left and would not cost as much. Having Verlander here to teach him how to pitch high and tight to right handed batters would be just the ticket for him to get back to his 16 numbers. Cahill is also intriguing but his injury history is a little concerning but then so was Morton's. The other guy that seems interesting is Kikuchi but his medicals are also a concern. He does though seem to be a left handed Mikolas. Fastball/slider kind of guy with a +55% ground ball rate. Both of those guys would make an adequate #4 with James taking the #5 spot. A little later this afternoon I should have some time on my hands and if I do my plan is to build a simulated roster and see what the projected runs for and against would look like with Realmuto, Brantley, Cahill, and some prospects getting some exposure. Should be interesting as my first pass at it says that we most likely give up about 50 more and score about 50 more than we did last year. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2018 8:09:53 GMT -6
I agree with you on this one, I think that is the price and I think the trade happens today, tomorrow at the latest. I do not think Houston will go higher than this so no point in beating a dead horse, Luhnow will say this is it and then move on. I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... Right now there is no 2020 rotation without Verlander and Cole. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:16:59 GMT -6
I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... Right now there is no 2020 rotation without Verlander and Cole. Yeah that is what I am thinking....Astros could pitfall in 2020, because there is no rotation....that is why I am against trading key prospects for Realmuto...If the Astros do not obtain a top SP this off season and can't extend Verlander and Cole, the Astros will not be competitive in 2020....therefore, the Astros will need their best prospects so they can build from within again, so what is the point in getting a catcher, who is only controllable for 2 years. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 20, 2018 8:17:31 GMT -6
I agree with you on this one, I think that is the price and I think the trade happens today, tomorrow at the latest. I do not think Houston will go higher than this so no point in beating a dead horse, Luhnow will say this is it and then move on. I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... Nobody knows. Of course Whitley is untouchable, but I am hoping that neither James nor Martin will be traded either. I’m hoping Luhnow can find a way to trade for Realmuto without giving up Tucker, Whitley, James, Martin or Stubbs. If anyone can pull that off, he can. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 8:21:41 GMT -6
I put together my extended depth chart at pitching. The biggest ? is whether Peacock is asked to return to starting or whether they call on the farm. I went with returning to starting. I started with the Astros.com depth chart and added on. I also limited the chart to prospects who have made their MLB debut or are expected to this year. D P ETA Overall Rank First Last Position Level
STARTERS
1 Justin Verlander RHP S 2 Gerrit Cole RHP S 3 Collin McHugh RHP 4 2018 95 4 Josh James RHP AAA Fresno 5 2 Brad Peacock RHP 6 2018 12 Framber Valdez LHP AA Corpus Christi 7 8 2018 13 Rogelio Armenteros RHP AAA Fresno 8 9 2019 8 2 Forrest Whitley RHP AAA Fresno 9 1 2019 28 Brandon Bailey RHP AA Corpus Christi
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17 2020 6 Corbin Martin RHP AA Corpus Christi 4 2020 8 J. B. Bukauskas RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 5 2020 14 Cristian Javier RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 10 2020 19 Brandon Bielak RHP AA Corpus Christi 13 2020 25 Tyler Ivey RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 14 2020 26 Peter Solomon RHP 15 2020 27 Brett Adcock LHP AA Corpus Christi 16 2021 10 Bryan Abreu RHP 6 2021 11 Jairo Solis RHP AA Corpus Christi 7 2022 17 Jason Schroeder RHP A3 Full Season Quad Cities 11 Brady Rodgers RHP
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1 Robert Osuna RHP C 2 Ryan Pressly RHP R 3 Hector Rondon RHP R 4 Joe Smith RHP R 5 Chris Devenski RHP R 6 Will Harris RHP R 7 2018 18 Dean Deetz RHP R AAA Fresno 8 12 Reyman Guduan LHP R 9 2018 5 Cionel Perez LHP R MLB Houston 10 3 Francis Martis RHP
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:22:29 GMT -6
I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... Nobody knows. Of course Whitley is untouchable, but I am hoping that neither James nor Martin will be traded either. I’m hoping Luhnow can find a way to trade for Realmuto without giving up Tucker, Whitley, James, Martin or Stubbs. If anyone can pull that off, he can. Olpapa I trust your knowledge of the prospects and baseball in general, so if Indians are actually shopping Kluber for top flight prospects and the Marlins are wanting Tucker + some other prospects, which one would you advocate more for...or would do neihter? 1. Kluber for Tucker, James, Martin, Kemp, Dawson or Beer 2. Realmuto for Tucker, Stubbs 3. Do neither trade above |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:24:36 GMT -6
I put together my extended depth chart at pitching. The biggest ? is whether Peacock is asked to return to starting or whether they call on the farm. I went with returning to starting. I started with the Astros.com depth chart and added on. I also limited the chart to prospects who have made their MLB debut or are expected to this year. D P ETA Overall Rank First Last Position Level 1 Justin Verlander RHP S 2 Gerrit Cole RHP S 3 Collin McHugh RHP 4 2018 95 4 Josh James RHP AAA Fresno 5 2 Brad Peacock RHP 6 2018 12 Framber Valdez LHP AA Corpus Christi 7 8 2018 13 Rogelio Armenteros RHP AAA Fresno 8 9 2019 8 2 Forrest Whitley RHP AAA Fresno 9 1 2019 28 Brandon Bailey RHP AA Corpus Christi 17 2020 6 Corbin Martin RHP AA Corpus Christi 4 2020 8 J. B. Bukauskas RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 5 2020 14 Cristian Javier RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 10 2020 19 Brandon Bielak RHP AA Corpus Christi 13 2020 25 Tyler Ivey RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 14 2020 26 Peter Solomon RHP 15 2020 27 Brett Adcock LHP AA Corpus Christi 16 2021 10 Bryan Abreu RHP 6 2021 11 Jairo Solis RHP AA Corpus Christi 7 2022 17 Jason Schroeder RHP A3 Full Season Quad Cities 11 Brady Rodgers RHP 1 Robert Osuna RHP C 2 Ryan Pressly RHP R 3 Hector Rondon RHP R 4 Joe Smith RHP R 5 Chris Devenski RHP R 6 Will Harris RHP R 7 2018 18 Dean Deetz RHP R AAA Fresno 8 12 Reyman Guduan LHP R 9 2018 5 Cionel Perez LHP R MLB Houston 10 3 Francis Martis RHP IR Lance McCullers RHP Big dropoff from 2018 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:28:35 GMT -6
I am hoping this doesn't happen....Does anyone know the rotation for 2020 if Verlander and Cole do not re-sign... Nobody knows. Of course Whitley is untouchable, but I am hoping that neither James nor Martin will be traded either. I’m hoping Luhnow can find a way to trade for Realmuto without giving up Tucker, Whitley, James, Martin or Stubbs. If anyone can pull that off, he can. I am hope I am right on the Astros signing Cahill and it paying off...Cahill fits the Morton profile. A couple of us (me included) thought the Astros would go after (trade for) Pressly, because he matched the type of pitcher Luhnow/Strom like..... |
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2018 8:32:38 GMT -6
What are you guys gonna do if Tucker flops with the fish? Still gonna cry I'll cry if he flops and we had a chance to get a good starting pitcher using him as trade bait... |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 8:40:22 GMT -6
I put together my extended depth chart at pitching. The biggest ? is whether Peacock is asked to return to starting or whether they call on the farm. I went with returning to starting. I started with the Astros.com depth chart and added on. I also limited the chart to prospects who have made their MLB debut or are expected to this year. D P ETA Overall Rank First Last Position Level 1 Justin Verlander RHP S 2 Gerrit Cole RHP S 3 Collin McHugh RHP 4 2018 95 4 Josh James RHP AAA Fresno 5 2 Brad Peacock RHP 6 2018 12 Framber Valdez LHP AA Corpus Christi 7 8 2018 13 Rogelio Armenteros RHP AAA Fresno 8 9 2019 8 2 Forrest Whitley RHP AAA Fresno 9 1 2019 28 Brandon Bailey RHP AA Corpus Christi 17 2020 6 Corbin Martin RHP AA Corpus Christi 4 2020 8 J. B. Bukauskas RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 5 2020 14 Cristian Javier RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 10 2020 19 Brandon Bielak RHP AA Corpus Christi 13 2020 25 Tyler Ivey RHP A4 Advanced Buies Creek 14 2020 26 Peter Solomon RHP 15 2020 27 Brett Adcock LHP AA Corpus Christi 16 2021 10 Bryan Abreu RHP 6 2021 11 Jairo Solis RHP AA Corpus Christi 7 2022 17 Jason Schroeder RHP A3 Full Season Quad Cities 11 Brady Rodgers RHP 1 Robert Osuna RHP C 2 Ryan Pressly RHP R 3 Hector Rondon RHP R 4 Joe Smith RHP R 5 Chris Devenski RHP R 6 Will Harris RHP R 7 2018 18 Dean Deetz RHP R AAA Fresno 8 12 Reyman Guduan LHP R 9 2018 5 Cionel Perez LHP R MLB Houston 10 3 Francis Martis RHP IR Lance McCullers RHP Big dropoff from 2018 It might not be as bad as you think:
# First Last SP ERA+
35 Justin Verlander SP 159
45 Gerritt Cole SP 140
31 Collin McHugh SP 203
63 Josh James SP 174
65 Framber Valdez SP 185
41 Brad Peacock P 117
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2018 8:41:40 GMT -6
Again, Realmuto does improve us right now (especially if we use his bat at DH some too), I just think we're more in need of pitching like Thomas has said. It would be silly to be UPSET over getting an all-star catcher with two years of control; it's just not what we need as much. But, I'm sure Luhnow has a plan.
I like the idea of a DH tandem with between Realmuto, Brantley, and White. Realmuto and Brantley will play the bulk of their time in their respective positions with White DHing, but they can each get extra rest DHing some with us still getting the benefit of their bats.
This move would add to the impressive flexibility we already have. All of this MLB depth and we'd still have an all-star potential utility player left primarily to be a roleplayer.
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2018 8:46:09 GMT -6
Potential:
Springer (CF)
Altuve (2B)
Bregman (3B)
Correa (SS)
Realmuto (C)
Brantley (LF)
Gurriel (1B)
White (DH)
Reddick (RF)
Diaz
Chirinos
Marisnick
Kemp - If we carry 7 relievers.
Note: Not the lineup I would use, but what we'd likely see. I think Brantley should hit 2nd with his lefty bat and Altuve leading off. Move Springer to 5th and Realmuto to 6th.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 8:50:10 GMT -6
To me just Get Fulmer or Gray not sonny and we should be rolling fine.
You gotta put in place a the thought to the pitchers this is a lineup u want behind you and you can take alittle less to stay and win win win.
It looks like Realmuto and Cruz are the two guys they want
So looking over the FA I dont really see anything good. Clay Bucholtz seems interesting. But Micheal Fulmer and Jon Gray would be very enticing.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:52:47 GMT -6
Again, Realmuto does improve us right now (especially if we use his bat at DH some too), I just think we're more in need of pitching like Thomas has said. It would be silly to be UPSET over getting an all-star catcher with two years of control; it's just not what we need as much. But, I'm sure Luhnow has a plan. I like the idea of a DH tandem with between Realmuto, Brantley, and White. Realmuto and Brantley will play the bulk of their time in their respective positions with White DHing, but they can each get extra rest DHing some with us still getting the benefit of their bats. This move would add to the impressive flexibility we already have. All of this MLB depth and we'd still have an all-star potential utility player left primarily to be a roleplayer. It is unfortunate that White is not a decent OF. If he could play OF then the Astros could sign Cruz and have a ton of options. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 8:53:34 GMT -6
Potential: Springer (CF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Realmuto (C) Brantley (LF) Gurriel (1B) White (DH) Reddick (RF) Diaz Chirinos Marisnick Kemp - If we carry 7 relievers. Note: Not the lineup I would use, but what we'd likely see. I think Brantley should hit 2nd with his lefty bat and Altuve leading off. Move Springer to 5th and Realmuto to 6th. I think you should consider Yuli and Jake could be off this roster. And Cruz at DH and White at 1B. Straw on the Bench. Theres always wheels turning. Money that could be moved and saved. Try Jake to the Mets or Diamondbacks Yuli to the Rockies I think you could get something back on both. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:56:03 GMT -6
It might not be as bad as you think:
# First Last SP ERA+
35 Justin Verlander SP 159
45 Gerritt Cole SP 140
31 Collin McHugh SP 203
63 Josh James SP 174
65 Framber Valdez SP 185
41 Brad Peacock P 117
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 8:58:18 GMT -6
Potential: Springer (CF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Realmuto (C) Brantley (LF) Gurriel (1B) White (DH) Reddick (RF) Diaz Chirinos Marisnick Kemp - If we carry 7 relievers. Note: Not the lineup I would use, but what we'd likely see. I think Brantley should hit 2nd with his lefty bat and Altuve leading off. Move Springer to 5th and Realmuto to 6th. I think you should consider Yuli and Jake could be off this roster. And Cruz at DH and White at 1B. Straw on the Bench. Theres always wheels turning. Money that could be moved and saved. Try Jake to the Mets or Diamondbacks Yuli to the Rockies I think you could get something back on both. Yuli is Marwin's replacement....I know you will saw Diaz, but from an offense standpoint for an utility player that would be Yuli...Diaz eliminates the need for Kemp, because Tony could not spot start at SS...and the Astros need that with Correa's back issue. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 20, 2018 9:04:54 GMT -6
Potential: Springer (CF) Altuve (2B) Bregman (3B) Correa (SS) Realmuto (C) Brantley (LF) Gurriel (1B) White (DH) Reddick (RF) Diaz Chirinos Marisnick Kemp - If we carry 7 relievers. Note: Not the lineup I would use, but what we'd likely see. I think Brantley should hit 2nd with his lefty bat and Altuve leading off. Move Springer to 5th and Realmuto to 6th. I think you should consider Yuli and Jake could be off this roster. And Cruz at DH and White at 1B. Straw on the Bench. Theres always wheels turning. Money that could be moved and saved. Try Jake to the Mets or Diamondbacks Yuli to the Rockies I think you could get something back on both. I doubt Yuli goes anywhere. |
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