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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 14:14:34 GMT -6
I think JV waived the option year as a condition of the trade to Houston. ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. Unless Verlander signs reenlistment papers he is done in Houston after this year He would only waive a player option. I was never sure whether it was a mutual option or not. However; it would seem like we would have heard of any team option for 2021 by now if there was one.
I hate reporters who don't understand that an option doesn't transmit the essential information about whose option it is. Perhaps it's because I've dealt with contracts and options and understand the difference. It's almost as bad as Judges who don't know or apply the law because they don't like it personally. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 20, 2018 14:22:11 GMT -6
If we can deal JB, Stassi,and Alvarez for Realmuto, I would think we make the trade. I'd throw in Kemp if they wanted him. I think you're undervaluing Kemp the way I did when they brought him up. He's certainly nothing amazing, but he has a little defensive flexibility and his on-base skills have value. He's a cost effective roleplayer. He is cost-effective,but, we can do better in terms of talent. He has a weak arm and must not be very good at second base because they didn't play him there when Altuve was out. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2018 14:37:21 GMT -6
I'd throw in Kemp if they wanted him. You're just trying to protect your stepson. LMAO. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 15:19:06 GMT -6
I don't see anything anywhere about us still be interested in Cruz. All I see are Twins and Rays. Rosenthal says it everyday when Cruz is brought up on MlB network |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 15:20:49 GMT -6
There not looking at FA starting pitching How do you know? Did Luhnow call you to get your advise?  Truth is neither you nor any of us know what Luhnow is doing about anything. Well if you go back and listen he is exploring trades for SP plus every time they talk about SP they talk about Lunhow scorching the earth for Younger more controlled arms |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 15:21:38 GMT -6
If we can deal JB, Stassi,and Alvarez for Realmuto, I would think we make the trade. I'd throw in Kemp if they wanted him. I think you're undervaluing Kemp the way I did when they brought him up. He's certainly nothing amazing, but he has a little defensive flexibility and his on-base skills have value. He's a cost effective roleplayer. Been saying this cost control |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 15:23:02 GMT -6
I think you're undervaluing Kemp the way I did when they brought him up. He's certainly nothing amazing, but he has a little defensive flexibility and his on-base skills have value. He's a cost effective roleplayer. He is cost-effective,but, we can do better in terms of talent. He has a weak arm and must not be very good at second base because they didn't play him there when Altuve was out. I hate to break it to you but Jake makes the most money he would be the gonner. Straw and Kemp dont even make a million combined |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 15:28:50 GMT -6
Interesting rumor. There is alot of talk the Astros could be getting something else in return with Realmuto If the trade is indeed Kyle Tucker, J.B. Bukouskas and Max Stassi For J.T. Realmuto It is said Lewis Brenson or Connor Scott could be also comming back with Realmuto. Again unconfirmed but this could be interesting I'd rather see Alvarez, JB and Stassi for Realmuto without a throw in. Alvarez is also a LF candidate and LF is getting crowded and Alvarez is only about 10 spots below our competitors for Realmuto. JB more than makes up the difference and Stassi is the icing on the cake for them. We retain Tucker, Stubbs and clear some space for pitching prospects.
I really think this would be enough. They would likely get three starters with upside for 2 years of an unhappy Realmuto.
Looking at the Luxury tax situation, LA might not want to do this deal without Miami taking back some salary. The Rays just don't seem like a good fit since they're not ready to contend in the next two years, so Realmuto is no more than a gap filler.
I really think we can get him without giving them Tucker because of our greater depth of players to send them in a multi player return.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 15:29:59 GMT -6
Lmao. Well I'll be damned
The daily Realmuto : Sources : Astros are not offering Tucker. Braves still in. Rays, Reds, Padres would all need to up the ante to get serious. Could go into 2019 with J.T. on MIA. Would not surprise me if some other team got involved.
% updated.
Astros have the strongest offer.
Yonder Alonso then?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2018 15:37:29 GMT -6
Lmao. Well I'll be damned The daily Realmuto : Sources : Astros are not offering Tucker. Braves still in. Rays, Reds, Padres would all need to up the ante to get serious. Could go into 2019 with J.T. on MIA. Would not surprise me if some other team got involved. % updated. Astros have the strongest offer. Yonder Alonso then? Over Yonder Alonso already moved this offseason. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 20, 2018 15:47:42 GMT -6
before he makes his next typo .. Corbin Martin isn't Patrick Corbin
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2018 15:56:07 GMT -6
before he makes his next typo .. Corbin Martin isn't Patrick Corbin What about Corbin Bernsen? |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 20, 2018 16:05:51 GMT -6
April's too early for a Roger Dorn night |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 20, 2018 16:13:37 GMT -6
He is cost-effective,but, we can do better in terms of talent. He has a weak arm and must not be very good at second base because they didn't play him there when Altuve was out. I hate to break it to you but Jake makes the most money he would be the gonner. Straw and Kemp dont even make a million combined If you want to win, you don't cut your best defensive outfielder and keep one like Kemp, who is mediocre at best, just to save money, Kemp made a little over $500,000 and Jake made $1.9 million. In terms of quality, jake is a bargain. I'd dump Kemp in a heartbeat to keep Jake or Straw. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 20, 2018 16:16:45 GMT -6
Lmao. Well I'll be damned The daily Realmuto : Sources : Astros are not offering Tucker. Braves still in. Rays, Reds, Padres would all need to up the ante to get serious. Could go into 2019 with J.T. on MIA. Would not surprise me if some other team got involved. % updated. Astros have the strongest offer. Yonder Alonso then? I still rhink we can get Realmuto and keep Tucker. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 16:32:35 GMT -6
I was referring to next year. Verlander might not make the conditions for his option, Cole is a free agent, and so is McHugh. We also don’t know what to expect from LMJ. You have to plan for this year and play the games this year, before you start worrying about next year or 10 years from now. No one knows what may transpire between now and 2020. Altuve/Correa/Springer/Guido could all get hurt/decline, and we could be a bottom of the standings team in 18 months. We need to do what it takes to win NOW while the chance is at its highest. I doubt you believe that way.....you're not that nearsighted |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 20, 2018 16:39:32 GMT -6
You have to plan for this year and play the games this year, before you start worrying about next year or 10 years from now. No one knows what may transpire between now and 2020. Altuve/Correa/Springer/Guido could all get hurt/decline, and we could be a bottom of the standings team in 18 months. We need to do what it takes to win NOW while the chance is at its highest. I doubt you believe that way.....you're not that nearsighted Competitiveness in MLB tends to be cyclical unless you're a spendy, big market team. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 16:49:56 GMT -6
I doubt you believe that way.....you're not that nearsighted Competitiveness in MLB tends to be cyclical unless you're a spendy, big market team. WE ARE A BIG MARKET TEAM! AND WE'RE BECOMING SPENDY! |
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Post by m240 on Dec 20, 2018 16:54:35 GMT -6
Lmao. Well I'll be damned The daily Realmuto : Sources : Astros are not offering Tucker. Braves still in. Rays, Reds, Padres would all need to up the ante to get serious. Could go into 2019 with J.T. on MIA. Would not surprise me if some other team got involved. % updated. Astros have the strongest offer. Yonder Alonso then? You know trying to figure all this crap out is crazy. People talk trash and if it falls into something we either really do not want and are concerned about or something that we want we buy into it. All I know is I am done for a while speculating and passing on crap that these talking heads write to get someone to read it or whatever their justification is. It is like a bunch of gossip nothing more nothing less. These guys do not know diddly |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Dec 20, 2018 17:13:15 GMT -6
Competitiveness in MLB tends to be cyclical unless you're a spendy, big market team. WE ARE A BIG MARKET TEAM! AND WE'RE BECOMING SPENDY! Shouting in all caps doesn't change the reality. When it comes to revenue stream, there's a noticeable gap between the Astros and the Top-5. btw, the Giants (who are #5) were not competitive in the past two seasons.
Try a larger type size. lol
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 20, 2018 17:14:02 GMT -6
You have to plan for this year and play the games this year, before you start worrying about next year or 10 years from now. No one knows what may transpire between now and 2020. Altuve/Correa/Springer/Guido could all get hurt/decline, and we could be a bottom of the standings team in 18 months. We need to do what it takes to win NOW while the chance is at its highest. I doubt you believe that way.....you're not that nearsighted That is exactly what I believe. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 20, 2018 17:18:08 GMT -6
I doubt you believe that way.....you're not that nearsighted That is exactly what I believe. You're Not My Daddy, and I am not Your Sidekick! |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 17:34:49 GMT -6
Daniel Murphy to the Rockies
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 17:35:27 GMT -6
Lmao. Well I'll be damned The daily Realmuto : Sources : Astros are not offering Tucker. Braves still in. Rays, Reds, Padres would all need to up the ante to get serious. Could go into 2019 with J.T. on MIA. Would not surprise me if some other team got involved. % updated. Astros have the strongest offer. Yonder Alonso then? Over Yonder Alonso already moved this offseason. I meant Yonder Alvarez |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 20, 2018 17:35:35 GMT -6
ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner. Unless Verlander signs reenlistment papers he is done in Houston after this year He would only waive a player option. I was never sure whether it was a mutual option or not. However; it would seem like we would have heard of any team option for 2021 by now if there was one.
I hate reporters who don't understand that an option doesn't transmit the essential information about whose option it is. Perhaps it's because I've dealt with contracts and options and understand the difference. It's almost as bad as Judges who don't know or apply the law because they don't like it personally. This from COTS on the contract JV signed with Detroit and his waiving the 2020 vesting option: “7 years/$180M (2013-19), plus 2020 vesting option.... 13:$20M, 14:$20M, 15:$28M, 16:$28M, 17:$28M, 18:$28M, 19:$28M, 20:$22M vesting option... 2020 option guaranteed with top 5 finish in 2019 Cy Young vote.... acquired by Houston in trade from Detroit 8/31/17.... Verlander retains full no-trade protection and agreed to waive 2020 vesting option” |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 20, 2018 17:36:36 GMT -6
Anibal Sanchez to the Nats
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Post by olpapa on Dec 20, 2018 17:37:28 GMT -6
Over Yonder Alonso already moved this offseason. I meant Yonder Alvarez Try Yordan Alvarez |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 20, 2018 17:39:34 GMT -6
Anibal Sanchez to the Nats Looks like the Nats going a little cheaper route for the fourth starter, I assume Dallas lost another parking spot. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 20, 2018 17:42:24 GMT -6
WE ARE A BIG MARKET TEAM! AND WE'RE BECOMING SPENDY! Shouting in all caps doesn't change the reality. When it comes to revenue stream, there's a noticeable gap between the Astros and the Top-5. btw, the Giants (who are #5) were not competitive in the past two seasons.
Try a larger type size. lol
I'll try your suggestion.
The is a difference between market size and revenue stream. One has to do with the numbers of people and the other has to do with the ability to monetize the market to produce revenue. Houston is behind on the second phase, but is catching up. Thus, Houston is changing from a mid market mentality to one of those elite 5 teams with the ability to remain competitive for the post season from year to year.
I know it's hard to believe after suffering through financially strapped ownership since Hoffeinz started going belly up and we were run under receivership and others who were merely running it as a hobby and didn't even live in the community. We're not the rich guys major league farm system any more.
We've arrived!
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Post by olpapa on Dec 20, 2018 17:43:10 GMT -6
Nobody knows. Of course Whitley is untouchable, but I am hoping that neither James nor Martin will be traded either. I’m hoping Luhnow can find a way to trade for Realmuto without giving up Tucker, Whitley, James, Martin or Stubbs. If anyone can pull that off, he can. Olpapa I trust your knowledge of the prospects and baseball in general, so if Indians are actually shopping Kluber for top flight prospects and the Marlins are wanting Tucker + some other prospects, which one would you advocate more for...or would do neihter? 1. Kluber for Tucker, James, Martin, Kemp, Dawson or Beer 2. Realmuto for Tucker, Stubbs 3. Do neither trade above 3 |
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Truth is neither you nor any of us know what Luhnow is doing about anything.
