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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 25, 2018 1:02:05 GMT -6
Wow. Okay, agree to disagree. not the first time we have disagreed. Lots of pitchers are great during the regular season and do nothing in the post season. So far, Kluber fits into that category. What have McHugh and Cole done that tells you they’re better than Kluber? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 7:24:48 GMT -6
not the first time we have disagreed. Lots of pitchers are great during the regular season and do nothing in the post season. So far, Kluber fits into that category. What have McHugh and Cole done that tells you they’re better than Kluber? Over an entire body of work kluber is better than Cole. It could be argued at this moment Cole might be better than Kluber. McHugh is not better than Kluber. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 25, 2018 9:01:40 GMT -6
What have McHugh and Cole done that tells you they’re better than Kluber? Over an entire body of work kluber is better than Cole. It could be argued at this moment Cole might be better than Kluber. McHugh is not better than Kluber. Over the long haul, Kluber has been better than Cole and McHugh. He has been better than neither in the post season. We have hit him hard a few times in the regular season.....he has never pitched well in the post season. In my opinion, if he were on our staff, he would be #3 behind Verlander and Cole. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 25, 2018 9:32:17 GMT -6
Over an entire body of work kluber is better than Cole. It could be argued at this moment Cole might be better than Kluber. McHugh is not better than Kluber. Over the long haul, Kluber has been better than Cole and McHugh. He has been better than neither in the post season. We have hit him hard a few times in the regular season.....he has never pitched well in the post season. In my opinion, if he were on our staff, he would be #3 behind Verlander and Cole. Verlander- Cole- Kluber would be a great rotation....and hopefully the Astros could re-sign the first two, so they could be favorites for the WS for the next 3 years.....This 3 years would basically mirror the time the Astros have with Altuve, Bregman, Correa and Springer all together....They should at least get one ring in this time span.... If they somehow got Kluber, then I would definitely be for signing Cruz..... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 25, 2018 9:49:41 GMT -6
Over the long haul, Kluber has been better than Cole and McHugh. He has been better than neither in the post season. We have hit him hard a few times in the regular season.....he has never pitched well in the post season. In my opinion, if he were on our staff, he would be #3 behind Verlander and Cole. Verlander- Cole- Kluber would be a great rotation....and hopefully the Astros could re-sign the first two, so they could be favorites for the WS for the next 3 years.....This 3 years would basically mirror the time the Astros have with Altuve, Bregman, Correa and Springer all together....They should at least get one ring in this time span.... If they somehow got Kluber, then I would definitely be for signing Cruz..... If Luhnow got Kluber, Cruz should be begging the Astros to sign him. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 25, 2018 10:14:13 GMT -6
Yeah Folty was the guy with the one hundred mile arm and control issues. If I am not mistaken also going the Braves way was a high school third baseman the Stros picked high in the draft. Ruiz. He hasn't done anything yet. I found Rio Ruiz. Braves waived him earlier this month and Baltimore claimed him. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 25, 2018 10:26:39 GMT -6
McHugh is better out of the pen same as Peacock.
Period end of store.
Cole and Kluber are on the same page not saying same sentence due to Kluber has been more consistent over the years. But Cole should have a better out come in the long run if he stays consistent.
I do believe also he should stay and be here since he is doing better. And the fact he has a chance to get a WS.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 25, 2018 10:28:52 GMT -6
Idk what is going on at the moment has been zero news other then Mazara talking about J.D. Davis and some prospects.
I wouldnt doubt there could be a move made soon enough.
And I really do not believe there is anyone untouchable other the. Whitley.
With Tucker being close beind.
I also believe Corbin Martin, Cional Perez and Josh James
Might be a hard pass if asked for
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 25, 2018 10:56:00 GMT -6
Verlander- Cole- Kluber would be a great rotation....and hopefully the Astros could re-sign the first two, so they could be favorites for the WS for the next 3 years.....This 3 years would basically mirror the time the Astros have with Altuve, Bregman, Correa and Springer all together....They should at least get one ring in this time span.... If they somehow got Kluber, then I would definitely be for signing Cruz..... If Luhnow got Kluber, Cruz should be begging the Astros to sign him. definitely |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 11:21:46 GMT -6
Idk what is going on at the moment has been zero news other then Mazara talking about J.D. Davis and some prospects. I wouldnt doubt there could be a move made soon enough. And I really do not believe there is anyone untouchable other the. Whitley. With Tucker being close beind. I also believe Corbin Martin, Cional Perez and Josh James Might be a hard pass if asked for I’d love to have Mazara but it wouldn’t make sense unless Reddick and Tucker are traded. Unless the plan would be to utilize Reddick or Mazara as a 4th outfielder. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 25, 2018 11:43:31 GMT -6
Idk what is going on at the moment has been zero news other then Mazara talking about J.D. Davis and some prospects. I wouldnt doubt there could be a move made soon enough. And I really do not believe there is anyone untouchable other the. Whitley. With Tucker being close beind. I also believe Corbin Martin, Cional Perez and Josh James Might be a hard pass if asked for I’d love to have Mazara but it wouldn’t make sense unless Reddick and Tucker are traded. Unless the plan would be to utilize Reddick or Mazara as a 4th outfielder. The only way that I could see Luhnow trading for Mazara would be if he traded prospects not named Tucker or Whitley for Mazara and then traded Tucker in a deal for Kluber, Thor or Realmuto. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 25, 2018 20:51:42 GMT -6
If they can pull Mazara.
Pull off trading Reddick.
Some how get Cruz via FA.
Trade for Realmuto maybe a SP on that Team
And get let's say Fulmer
With out giving up Tucker, Whitley, Martin, Perez, James, Nova and Straw
I would call that a win
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 7:43:43 GMT -6
Tigers are "determined" to deal Castellanos. If we are not going to sign Cruz, I think we should trade for Castellanos for our DH role.
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Post by marshall on Dec 26, 2018 9:22:16 GMT -6
Cruz and Castellanos would be upgrades with ~130 OPS+. Mazaro would be a downgrade at 95 OPS+. While 2019 could be higher or lower, it's the best predictor of future success.
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Post by m240 on Dec 26, 2018 10:28:28 GMT -6
Cruz and Castellanos would be upgrades with ~130 OPS+. Mazaro would be a downgrade at 95 OPS+. While 2019 could be higher or lower, it's the best predictor of future success. I have been wanting Castellanos on our team for a couple of years now. He can play the outfield well enough to hold down left field at the juice box, he hits right handed so he balances out the three left handed bats that we currently have slotted for corner outfield work, he destroys left handers, (good for work against Boston and the Yankees), seems to do his best work hitting cleanup, and should not cost a fortune for one year of control. Kemp would become expendable and is a good trade piece for them given that their 2nd baseman was not spectacular in the field last year and his flexibility would help over the next couple of years as they build out their line up. They also need pitching so Kemp plus a top 15 and a top 30 pitching prospect should do the trick. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 26, 2018 11:39:37 GMT -6
The have the hurlers that could make it a possibility, with James and Valdez doing both roles last season. For that matter Colin could also be added to the equation. I was thinking that maybe they might use the opener or tandem starters approach with Whitley when he comes up since he is going to be limited in the number of innings he can pitch this season. When thinking of using the term "the opener" Jimy Williams might have discovered it first with the six pitcher no-hitter in NY. But going back to your idea, I could see it being used. When considering if Colin goes back into the rotation and his last role, he was effective going for four or five inning stints, then add James and Valdez. Wasn't the Stros in the minors used the term "piggyback" using two or three pitcher in a game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 26, 2018 11:41:14 GMT -6
I was thinking that maybe they might use the opener or tandem starters approach with Whitley when he comes up since he is going to be limited in the number of innings he can pitch this season. When thinking of using the term "the opener" Jimy Williams might have discovered it first with the six pitcher no-hitter in NY. But going back to your idea, I could see it being used. When considering if Colin goes back into the rotation and his last role, he was effective going for four or five inning stints, then add James and Valdez. Wasn't the Stros in the minors used the term "piggyback" using two or three pitcher in a game. It also would’ve been Ed Wade’s dream. The piggyback system was lame. The Rays’ rotation was basically Blake Snell & Friends. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 26, 2018 11:44:21 GMT -6
When thinking of using the term "the opener" Jimy Williams might have discovered it first with the six pitcher no-hitter in NY. But going back to your idea, I could see it being used. When considering if Colin goes back into the rotation and his last role, he was effective going for four or five inning stints, then add James and Valdez. Wasn't the Stros in the minors used the term "piggyback" using two or three pitcher in a game. It also would’ve been Ed Wade’s dream. The piggyback system was lame. The Rays’ rotation was basically Blake Snell & Friends. That is true, Snell could make any rotation look good. I assume they are hoping Charlie can help stretch out their rotation. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 26, 2018 12:32:01 GMT -6
That would be my direction
I would push hard for Castellanos and Fulmer. Try and wheedle them down to goo value even include White un the deal to facilitate it.
NICK at DH would be great for this team and spot starting in the COF spots.
Then I would all in on J.T. and Ureas with out Corbin Whitley and Tucker
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 26, 2018 16:31:53 GMT -6
Then I would all in on J.T. and Ureas with out Corbin Whitley and Tucker What part of that is “all in”? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 26, 2018 17:38:15 GMT -6
Then I would all in on J.T. and Ureas with out Corbin Whitley and Tucker What part of that is “all in”? They have several other players they can add into the pot |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:51:37 GMT -6
Padres are the leaders to land Kluber. Why though? Kluber alone won’t turn that team into a contender.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 26, 2018 17:56:28 GMT -6
Padres are the leaders to land Kluber. Why though? Kluber alone won’t turn that team into a contender. San Diego > Cleveland (In terms of quality of life.) |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 26, 2018 18:22:19 GMT -6
Padres are the leaders to land Kluber. Why though? Kluber alone won’t turn that team into a contender. But there built for next year and beyond |
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Post by m240 on Dec 26, 2018 18:33:46 GMT -6
Padres are the leaders to land Kluber. Why though? Kluber alone won’t turn that team into a contender. But there built for next year and beyond San Diego could easily jump up like the Astros circa 2015. Lot of talent down on the farm and a very low payroll. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 26, 2018 18:38:37 GMT -6
Kluber was originally drafted by the Padres out of Stetson University in Florida. A small college that also produced DeGrom, they have great Baseball facilities there.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 26, 2018 19:57:54 GMT -6
Kluber was originally drafted by the Padres out of Stetson University in Florida. A small college that also produced DeGrom, they have great Baseball facilities there. Latest at MLBTR on Padres talks with Cleveland about Kluber: “7:03pm: The San Diego organization has held some talks regarding Kluber as well as Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter). But while “the Padres could still add a starting pitcher for 2019,” he says, “it won’t be one of those two.” I would be ok with Luhnow adding either one of those guys. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 26, 2018 20:09:38 GMT -6
Kluber was originally drafted by the Padres out of Stetson University in Florida. A small college that also produced DeGrom, they have great Baseball facilities there. Latest at MLBTR on Padres talks with Cleveland about Kluber: “7:03pm: The San Diego organization has held some talks regarding Kluber as well as Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter). But while “the Padres could still add a starting pitcher for 2019,” he says, “it won’t be one of those two.” I would be ok with Luhnow adding either one of those guys. I feel like at this point, you’ve got to go all in with hitting or pitching. I’d love for them to re-sign both Verlander and Cole, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 26, 2018 20:17:04 GMT -6
Latest at MLBTR on Padres talks with Cleveland about Kluber: “7:03pm: The San Diego organization has held some talks regarding Kluber as well as Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter). But while “the Padres could still add a starting pitcher for 2019,” he says, “it won’t be one of those two.” I would be ok with Luhnow adding either one of those guys. I feel like at this point, you’ve got to go all in with hitting or pitching. I’d love for them to re-sign both Verlander and Cole, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. I wonder if Yuli would like the chance to go play with his brother? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 26, 2018 20:33:21 GMT -6
I feel like at this point, you’ve got to go all in with hitting or pitching. I’d love for them to re-sign both Verlander and Cole, but I’m not going to get my hopes up. I wonder if Yuli would like the chance to go play with his brother? I've said this 1000 times over. Maybe for Smoak or a prospect or two. Cavan Biggio |
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