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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 8:06:55 GMT -6
Cionel Perez also needs a good third pitch if he wants to stick as a starter.
His current two-pitch mix involves about 60% 4-seam fastballs if I'm not mistaken. That's not sustainable as a big league starter.
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 8:33:36 GMT -6
No, I wanted Cruz, i also want some pitching help Meh. The Lowrie signing has nothing to do with any of that. And Cruz wasn't going to be some big difference maker. He's a good hitter but at his age and lack of any defensive utility, he wasn't going to make us that much better (if at all) when we can use the DH spot to give our other players days off. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 8:40:41 GMT -6
I wish some team besides the Astros would trade for Realmuto....I am tired of Astros being named as a possible suitor. It makes zero sense given the Realmuto is only controllable for 2 years, the Astros rotation could go through a major overhaul next year and the Astros have a really good catching prospect in the minors, Stubbs. Now that Grandal has signed I think a deal for Realmuto will be done in the next week or so. No way do I see Luhnow trading Whitley or Tucker for him. He might send Alvarez to the Marlins in a deal for Realmuto. Alvarez is the #42 ranked prospect by MLB.com and #9 rated OF prospect. San Diego clearly has the prospects to beat a deal highlighted by Alvarez. Their top 5 prospects are all ranked higher than Alvarez. Why would they trade for Realmuto though? They have Francisco Mejia, the #2 ranked catcher prospect, who is ML ready now. The Dodgers have the prospects to get a deal done, but they have reportedly refused to include either Verdugo or Ruiz, their #1 and #2 prospects, in a deal for Realmuto. Their #3 prospect is ranked #71 by MLB.com...well below Alvarez. It has been rumored that the Marlins would like to get a catcher with some ML experience as a part of the return for Realmuto. If Luhnow has offered Alvarez, another prospect in our top 15 and Stassi, he may very well get Realmuto, if the Dodgers don’t change their mind and decide to send Verdugo or Ruiz to the Marlins in a trade for JTR. I think the Dodgers give in and get him. I think they also decide to go all in and get Harper. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 8:41:28 GMT -6
I'll be surprised if we don't hear some big news about an Astros trade/signing in the next week.
Grandal helped to get the ball rolling.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 8:47:40 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 11, 2019 8:47:46 GMT -6
I'll be surprised if we don't hear some big news about an Astros trade/signing in the next week. Grandal helped to get the ball rolling. Luhnow, through his own words in the past, says he has learned to sit and wait to see what comes available.... don't make a premature move. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 11, 2019 8:50:00 GMT -6
Now that Grandal has signed I think a deal for Realmuto will be done in the next week or so. No way do I see Luhnow trading Whitley or Tucker for him. He might send Alvarez to the Marlins in a deal for Realmuto. Alvarez is the #42 ranked prospect by MLB.com and #9 rated OF prospect. San Diego clearly has the prospects to beat a deal highlighted by Alvarez. Their top 5 prospects are all ranked higher than Alvarez. Why would they trade for Realmuto though? They have Francisco Mejia, the #2 ranked catcher prospect, who is ML ready now. The Dodgers have the prospects to get a deal done, but they have reportedly refused to include either Verdugo or Ruiz, their #1 and #2 prospects, in a deal for Realmuto. Their #3 prospect is ranked #71 by MLB.com...well below Alvarez. It has been rumored that the Marlins would like to get a catcher with some ML experience as a part of the return for Realmuto. If Luhnow has offered Alvarez, another prospect in our top 15 and Stassi, he may very well get Realmuto, if the Dodgers don’t change their mind and decide to send Verdugo or Ruiz to the Marlins in a trade for JTR. I think the Dodgers give in and get him. I think they also decide to go all in and get Harper. If the Dodger give in, more power to them. I don't want to be the one to cave in to a two year rental at that price. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 9:00:18 GMT -6
I think the Dodgers give in and get him. I think they also decide to go all in and get Harper. If the Dodger give in, more power to them. I don't want to be the one to cave in to a two year rental at that price. I go back and forth on it, if I'm going to be honest. On the surface I totally agree. I don't want to lose a potential all-star caliber OFer for two years of a non-very good pitcher. I also feel we have a good enough team right now to go far, especially if we make a deal or two at the trade deadline. However, with as many question marks as we have on our pitching staff after 2019, it almost feels like we should go relatively all-in and see if we can't take another championship this year in case we have a couple lean years rebuilding the staff. And we're calling him a rental, but a 2-year deal actually works out well for us at catcher. It lets him DH some with Brantley both years, and, since we only have Chirinos for one year, it lets him help mentor Stubbs in 2020. In the end, I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd be satisfied either way. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 11, 2019 9:16:20 GMT -6
Cionel Perez also needs a good third pitch if he wants to stick as a starter. His current two-pitch mix involves about 60% 4-seam fastballs if I'm not mistaken. That's not sustainable as a big league starter. Perez's fastball has a lot of sink and he has a hard tight slider, his change up is solid but he has not been able to repeat his delivery on it and it winds up out of the zone too often. Apparently he is working on a 12/6 curve that shows some promise and I think that the arsenal of pitches will be fixed by next year at this time. But there is something else going on with Perez. Remember after the Astros took a look at him during his physical they pulled their original 5 million dollar offer and then later signed him to a 2 million dollar deal with a slot on the 40 man mandated by terms of his contract at an earlier date than normal. His elbow has not broken down as they feared as he seems to repeat his fastball with great ease and as a reliever he sits at 98 mph with it. So I think that they will use him this year as a reliever and try to get 2 innings an outing with him like they did with McHugh last year and then we will see what 2020 brings. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 11, 2019 9:25:58 GMT -6
If the Dodger give in, more power to them. I don't want to be the one to cave in to a two year rental at that price. I go back and forth on it, if I'm going to be honest. On the surface I totally agree. I don't want to lose a potential all-star caliber OFer for two years of a non-very good pitcher. I also feel we have a good enough team right now to go far, especially if we make a deal or two at the trade deadline. However, with as many question marks as we have on our pitching staff after 2019, it almost feels like we should go relatively all-in and see if we can't take another championship this year in case we have a couple lean years rebuilding the staff. And we're calling him a rental, but a 2-year deal actually works out well for us at catcher. It lets him DH some with Brantley both years, and, since we only have Chirinos for one year, it lets him help mentor Stubbs in 2020. In the end, I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd be satisfied either way. I agree with you on the issue of the pitching staff and going non-crazy all in for 2019. I think that the Dodgers are in an unusual spot in that they are the 2 time defending NL champ and need to take that next step. So the Dodgers I think will go all in and get Realmuto so that they can keep the natives restive. I also think that Luhnow is playing chess with the rest of the gms and will wind up with a solid starter one way or the other. If you put Grienke/Ray/madbum/Fulmer/Keuchel with this group while keeping Whitley, Tucker, James, Valdez and Perez then we most likely wind up with a repeat WS of 2017. imo with the same outcome. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 9:27:54 GMT -6
Cionel Perez also needs a good third pitch if he wants to stick as a starter. His current two-pitch mix involves about 60% 4-seam fastballs if I'm not mistaken. That's not sustainable as a big league starter. Perez's fastball has a lot of sink and he has a hard tight slider, his change up is solid but he has not been able to repeat his delivery on it and it winds up out of the zone too often. Apparently he is working on a 12/6 curve that shows some promise and I think that the arsenal of pitches will be fixed by next year at this time. But there is something else going on with Perez. Remember after the Astros took a look at him during his physical they pulled their original 5 million dollar offer and then later signed him to a 2 million dollar deal with a slot on the 40 man mandated by terms of his contract at an earlier date than normal. His elbow has not broken down as they feared as he seems to repeat his fastball with great ease and as a reliever he sits at 98 mph with it. So I think that they will use him this year as a reliever and try to get 2 innings an outing with him like they did with McHugh last year and then we will see what 2020 brings. I remembered his 4-seamer and slider, but had forgotten about his changeup and curve. If he could get those last two pitches to be solid options in his repertoire, he might be starter material. If Cionel starts the year in AAA that might be the best thing for him. Gives him time to work on commanding his two weaker pitches. Because of the way he was signed, I don't think the Astros can keep him in the minors that much longer. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 9:30:52 GMT -6
I go back and forth on it, if I'm going to be honest. On the surface I totally agree. I don't want to lose a potential all-star caliber OFer for two years of a non-very good pitcher. I also feel we have a good enough team right now to go far, especially if we make a deal or two at the trade deadline. However, with as many question marks as we have on our pitching staff after 2019, it almost feels like we should go relatively all-in and see if we can't take another championship this year in case we have a couple lean years rebuilding the staff. And we're calling him a rental, but a 2-year deal actually works out well for us at catcher. It lets him DH some with Brantley both years, and, since we only have Chirinos for one year, it lets him help mentor Stubbs in 2020. In the end, I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd be satisfied either way. I agree with you on the issue of the pitching staff and going non-crazy all in for 2019. I think that the Dodgers are in an unusual spot in that they are the 2 time defending NL champ and need to take that next step. So the Dodgers I think will go all in and get Realmuto so that they can keep the natives restive. I also think that Luhnow is playing chess with the rest of the gms and will wind up with a solid starter one way or the other. If you put Grienke/Ray/madbum/Fulmer/Keuchel with this group while keeping Whitley, Tucker, James, Valdez and Perez then we most likely wind up with a repeat WS of 2017. imo with the same outcome. Yeah I've said all along that I think bringing in Greinke would be a great move. He wouldn't cost a top prospect if we eat more of his salary, and he can help anchor a young staff for a couple years. Plus, it makes our 2019 rotation easily the best on paper. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 9:35:11 GMT -6
i don't normally like to see the Astros get pitchers at Greinke's age (he'd be 37 when his contract expires), but he looks to be the sort that defies age a bit better than most pitchers.
Verlander, Greinke, and Cole would all tend to pitch deep enough into games that the bullpen workload would be significantly reduced, which was a big part of the pitching staff's ridiculous success last year.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 9:39:31 GMT -6
for entertainment value only, will be interesting to see what the poll results are
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 11, 2019 9:44:12 GMT -6
for entertainment value only, will be interesting to see what the poll results are Astros seem to easily be giving up the most. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 10:07:25 GMT -6
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Post by m240 on Jan 11, 2019 10:36:17 GMT -6
Kind of weird timing. Did he hurt it patting himself on the back? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 11, 2019 10:39:31 GMT -6
for entertainment value only, will be interesting to see what the poll results are Astros seem to easily be giving up the most. Go Phillies!!! If not Phillies, Go Dodgers! |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 11:37:15 GMT -6
O'Dowd is a Blue Waffle.
I dont respect him at all.
He always says way over pay for teams he doesnt like.
We have the highest paid package compared to the others. He also says same time he wouldnt accept anything less from the Astros but turns around and offers different directions from bother the Dodgers and Phillies
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 11, 2019 11:45:13 GMT -6
O'Dowd is a Blue Waffle.I dont respect him at all. He always says way over pay for teams he doesnt like. We have the highest paid package compared to the others. He also says same time he wouldnt accept anything less from the Astros but turns around and offers different directions from bother the Dodgers and Phillies |
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 12:00:25 GMT -6
LeMahieu to the Yankees 2-years $24 million. Interesting pickup by the Yankees.... I'm guessing they're probably not going after Machado at this point or else they're ready to trade Andujar or Torres for some reason?
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Post by fanastro on Jan 11, 2019 12:35:19 GMT -6
Luhnow's willing to give up Tucker AND Bukauskus? wth?
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Post by Saint on Jan 11, 2019 12:37:56 GMT -6
Luhnow's willing to give up Tucker AND Bukauskus? wth? No they're just proposing trade deals on that show. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 11, 2019 12:59:11 GMT -6
Luhnow's willing to give up Tucker AND Bukauskus? wth? No they're just proposing trade deals on that show. Go Phillies: trade for Realmuto, sign Harper, sign Machado...don't remember about Ryan Howard's contract... |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 11, 2019 12:59:25 GMT -6
Luhnow's willing to give up Tucker AND Bukauskus? wth? I hope not. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 11, 2019 13:05:15 GMT -6
Luhnow's willing to give up Tucker AND Bukauskus? wth? No they're just proposing trade deals on that show. Good deal. Thanks. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 13:09:45 GMT -6
Pressley settles 2.9m
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 11, 2019 13:16:12 GMT -6
There's a tweet going around that the Dodgers are trading for Russell Martin from the Jays.
If that's the extent of their solution for C then it would seem Realmuto's market just got a lot smaller.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 13:23:21 GMT -6
There's a tweet going around that the Dodgers are trading for Russell Martin from the Jays. If that's the extent of their solution for C then it would seem Realmuto's market just got a lot smaller. Woot woot Increases our chances. And you beat me to it on the deal |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 11, 2019 13:45:50 GMT -6
No, I wanted Cruz, i also want some pitching help Meh. The Lowrie signing has nothing to do with any of that. And Cruz wasn't going to be some big difference maker. He's a good hitter but at his age and lack of any defensive utility, he wasn't going to make us that much better (if at all) when we can use the DH spot to give our other players days off. Cruz was not going to play any defense.......just DH, which is probably why we backed off. We wanted a guy who could do both and I understand that. |
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