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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 11, 2019 19:20:06 GMT -6
I hope J.t. gets traded tomorrow. I am sick and tired of worrying what top prospects we will lose. Me2 |
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Post by marshall on Jan 11, 2019 19:31:43 GMT -6
I'd like to see him traded tomorrow too. To us. For a reasonable price that does not include Tucker or Whitley.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 11, 2019 19:53:19 GMT -6
I'd like to see him traded tomorrow too. To us. For a reasonable price that does not include Tucker or Whitley. Me, too. We need to go for it while we still have Verlander and Cole. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 11, 2019 20:53:32 GMT -6
I wish we could say...."Hey Derek, this is our final offer. You have 24 hours to accept or reject. Your call....Bye Bye..
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 11, 2019 22:35:26 GMT -6
Realmuto got $5.9mm in arbitration.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 22:40:42 GMT -6
Realmuto got $5.9mm in arbitration. Same thing Marcus Stroman got Castellanos got 9.5 |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 11, 2019 23:33:19 GMT -6
Realmuto got $5.9mm in arbitration. Same thing Marcus Stroman got Castellanos got 9.5 Where are you getting your numbers?
I read Stroman got $7.4mm and Castellanos got $9.95mm.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 23:37:46 GMT -6
There streaming on bleacher report
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 11, 2019 23:40:56 GMT -6
Same thing Marcus Stroman got Castellanos got 9.5 Where are you getting your numbers?
I read Stroman got $7.4mm and Castellanos got $9.95mm.
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Post by marshall on Jan 12, 2019 0:07:13 GMT -6
I wish we could say...."Hey Derek, this is our final offer. You have 24 hours to accept or reject. Your call....Bye Bye.. In many ways I can sympathize with you. But Luhnow has shown he has the patience to hold on until he gets his price or someone else pays too much. He shows no indication that he'll get frustrated and will stop pursuing a player he thinks can help just because the other GM wants more than he's judges is fair or some artificial deadline passes. He is a skilled and patient negotiator.
But I do agree that at some point, Realmuto becomes less valuable to us as time goes on and I think that starts happening about a week before Training Camp. The extra time is more valuable for catchers than for other position players.
So perhaps, rather than 24 hours or bye, just say 24 hours or the offer goes down. Then follow up with further declining offers. Keep the pressure on Jeter.
He's used to making the routine look spectacular and people being awed. Just let us pay for the routine and not the illusion.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 0:37:15 GMT -6
I wish we could say...."Hey Derek, this is our final offer. You have 24 hours to accept or reject. Your call....Bye Bye.. In many ways I can sympathize with you. But Luhnow has shown he has the patience to hold on until he gets his price or someone else pays too much. He shows no indication that he'll get frustrated and will stop pursuing a player he thinks can help just because the other GM wants more than he's judges is fair or some artificial deadline passes. He is a skilled and patient negotiator.
But I do agree that at some point, Realmuto becomes less valuable to us as time goes on and I think that starts happening about a week before Training Camp. The extra time is more valuable for catchers than for other position players.
So perhaps, rather than 24 hours or bye, just say 24 hours or the offer goes down. Then follow up with further declining offers. Keep the pressure on Jeter.
He's used to making the routine look spectacular and people being awed. Just let us pay for the routine and not the illusion.
Jeter knows he needs to trade Realmuto with one of the reasons being Realmuto has flatly stated he does not want to be part of a rebuilding program in Miami which translates into he's not going to be motivated to give maximum effort. I often criticize Luhnow for not acting quickly enough,but,in this case I think he's rignt on target. He won't make the deal unless Jeter agrees to his price. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 12, 2019 7:30:21 GMT -6
You’ve got to wonder what the plan is for the Yankees. LeMahieu isn’t the greatest hitter, but he’s a starter based on defense alone since 2B isn’t a premiere offensive position. However, they already have Gleyber Torres there, which prompts him to now shift over to SS, which is already occupied by Tulowitzki and later Gregorius. Unless Andújar the 3B gets traded, I have no idea where Machado would play.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 7:48:09 GMT -6
You’ve got to wonder what the plan is for the Yankees. LeMahieu isn’t the greatest hitter, but he’s a starter based on defense alone since 2B isn’t a premiere offensive position. However, they already have Gleyber Torres there, which prompts him to now shift over to SS, which is already occupied by Tulowitzki and later Gregorius. Unless Andújar the 3B gets traded, I have no idea where Machado would play. Yankees, with their TV revenue, must have money to burn |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 9:21:42 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors....
But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined:
Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 12, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. No. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 12, 2019 10:07:02 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. No. I want to keep Martin. Maybe put someone else in.. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 10:09:24 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. That is a little too much for Kluber. I don't give them 5 players plus cash. Keep Martin and give them Valdez. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 12, 2019 10:21:53 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. Maybe
Alvarez one of Armenteros/Nova Reddick
He's signed for 2019 with team options in 2020 and 2021, but I don't know for how much since COTS has suddenly become a site Firefox won't let me go to. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 11:01:08 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. No. What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 11:06:06 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. No. I want to keep Martin. Maybe put someone else in.. To get Kluber, it is going to have to hurt, if not Martin, then it would be James. If the Astros believe in White, the promise of Alvarez may not be needed (well to a lesser extent) By keeping Tucker and having Brantley, then Reddick departure does not hurt as much <----Indians need an OF for 2019 - so Reddick with cash considerations should be attractive. Therefore, it boils down to Indians wanting to good pitching arms for 3 years of Kluber.... Nova was hard to put in this trade because he could be Correa successor. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 12, 2019 11:07:18 GMT -6
Rotoworld shows the Padres are still after Kluber, but not offering their top 5 prospects...keep in mind they have the best farm system in the majors.... But if somehow Astros could get Kluber without giving up Tucker and Whitley would you be inclined: Alvarez, Martin, Armenteros, Nova and Reddick + cash considerations. Maybe
Alvarez one of Armenteros/Nova Reddick
He's signed for 2019 with team options in 2020 and 2021, but I don't know for how much since COTS has suddenly become a site Firefox won't let me go to. I would give them Alvarez, James, and Reddick. That would give us 4 proven starters, a slot to rotate the kids in and out, keep payroll the same, and give us a proven veteran on the roster to build around for next year and beyond. Then I would build up a package to send to Detroit for Castellanos that did not have any of our top 10 prospects in it but would have solid value guys like Kemp, Devenski, Reed, Fisher, or Martes, one of those guys and one of Beilak, Ivey, or Armenteros, and that outfielder we got from the mets. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 11:12:13 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. The Astros avoided arbitration with all eligible players except Cole and Correa before the deadline. After the year Cole had, bickering with him over a couple of million doesn't seem very smart...give the guy close to, if not exactly, what he wants and keep him happy and make it easier to re-sign him. I believe in spending money wisely but going to arbitration with Cole can't come back to haunt them. After the pitiful year Correa had, he had a lot of nerve to ask for a $4 million raise. He was paid $1 million in 2018. Offer him $2.5 million. If he won't take it, piss on him. Tell him if he wants that much of a raise, stay in the damn lineup and earn it. He is being unreasonable asking to be paid $5 million after the year he had. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 11:13:49 GMT -6
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Alvarez one of Armenteros/Nova Reddick
He's signed for 2019 with team options in 2020 and 2021, but I don't know for how much since COTS has suddenly become a site Firefox won't let me go to. I would give them Alvarez, James, and Reddick. That would give us 4 proven starters, a slot to rotate the kids in and out, keep payroll the same, and give us a proven veteran on the roster to build around for next year and beyond. Then I would build up a package to send to Detroit for Castellanos that did not have any of our top 10 prospects in it but would have solid value guys like Kemp, Devenski, Reed, Fisher, or Martes, one of those guys and one of Beilak, Ivey, or Armenteros, and that outfielder we got from the mets. Trading James at this point would not be wise. We got a glimpse of what he can do last season....We need to see if he can do it over the course of an entire season. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 12, 2019 11:21:36 GMT -6
I would give them Alvarez, James, and Reddick. That would give us 4 proven starters, a slot to rotate the kids in and out, keep payroll the same, and give us a proven veteran on the roster to build around for next year and beyond. Then I would build up a package to send to Detroit for Castellanos that did not have any of our top 10 prospects in it but would have solid value guys like Kemp, Devenski, Reed, Fisher, or Martes, one of those guys and one of Beilak, Ivey, or Armenteros, and that outfielder we got from the mets. Trading James at this point would not be wise. We got a glimpse of what he can do last season....We need to see if he can do it over the course of an entire season. If we have a top three rotation of Verlander, Cole, and Kluber then, barring multiple injuries to multiple front line players, we win the world series. I like James a lot, I like World Series wins more. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 12, 2019 11:23:27 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 11:28:53 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. In your trade proposal, I would think the Astros would have to offer at least a better pitching prospect than Bukauskas or another one along with him.. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 12, 2019 11:33:15 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. I really want Kluber....along with him Seth Lugo and Justin Wilson...then I would feel good about next year... Any thought what it would take to get Lugo? I hope we could send Marisnick + Kemp + top #20 prospect to get him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 11:37:22 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. I agree..No James in any offer I make for Kluber. He could turn into a dominant closer or a top of the rotation starter. It is too early to tell and it is sure too early to deal him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 12, 2019 11:38:46 GMT -6
I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. I really want Kluber....along with him Seth Lugo and Justin Wilson...then I would feel good about next year... Any thought what it would take to get Lugo? I hope we could send Marisnick + Kemp + top #20 prospect to get him. Kemp+Fisher and a top 20. We need to keep Jake for defense. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 12, 2019 12:36:13 GMT -6
What would you propose the Astros give up and think the Indians would accept to get Kluber, a top 5 MLB pitcher that has 3 years of team control? I am thinking the Astros need to make this trade. I am not only thinking for this year. Astros will need a veteran ACE next year, especially if Verlander and Cole are not re-signed. I might offer Alvarez, Bukauskus, Dawson, Reddick and cash. So in your proposed offer is Bukauskus and Dawson =, <, or > than James? Because I would do either one. |
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