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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 13, 2018 23:35:36 GMT -6
Prediction - Astros go after Cahill for SP and Kelly for RP.
Darkhorse candidates: Shelby Miller and/or Jordan Lyles.
For hitting, Nelson Cruz makes way too much sense.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2018 0:09:54 GMT -6
Prediction - Astros go after Cahill for SP and Kelly for RP. Darkhorse candidates: Shelby Miller and/or Jordan Lyles. For hitting, Nelson Cruz makes way too much sense. The lack of production from Beltrán makes me wary of signing another old dude for DH. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2018 0:46:58 GMT -6
I am not sure where Cahill fits into the picture. The FA pitcher that we should go after that was not an Astro in 2018 is Nathan Eovaldi. He will cost us but is probably worth it. I hope we don't go back to Drayton McLane's practice of shopping in the bargain basement for pitching. Joe Kelly would be a great addition to the pen. We MUST add a bat and his name should not be Harper.
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Post by m240 on Nov 14, 2018 6:58:28 GMT -6
Cahill would be a good add on, not great but would not come with a large salary gamble. There are too many bidders for Eovaldi and he will get over paid and come with a rather high degree of risk. Somebody is going to give Eovaldi a fifth year to get him to sign and then they will wind up regretting it.
Part of the allure of trading for a guy like Greinke is that you can schedule the $’s that you get back from the Diamondbacks any way that you want so to match his salary expense to his expected production then you might consider taking 0 for 2019 then 10 million for 2020 and then 20 million for 2021. That way as he ages and his performance is expected to decline he costs you less and you have more to pay the young guys on the team more money as they get more tenure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 7:02:49 GMT -6
Prediction - Astros go after Cahill for SP and Kelly for RP. Darkhorse candidates: Shelby Miller and/or Jordan Lyles. For hitting, Nelson Cruz makes way too much sense. The lack of production from Beltrán makes me wary of signing another old dude for DH. One difference was Beltran's numbers were in an obvious state of decline. Cruz is still putting up excellent offense. If he can duplicate near the average of last two years. (38 hrs 105 rbis), a big hole has been fixed in our lineup |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 14, 2018 8:33:57 GMT -6
I am not sure where Cahill fits into the picture. The FA pitcher that we should go after that was not an Astro in 2018 is Nathan Eovaldi. He will cost us but is probably worth it. I hope we don't go back to Drayton McLane's practice of shopping in the bargain basement for pitching. Joe Kelly would be a great addition to the pen. We MUST add a bat and his name should not be Harper. Morton was not a a very under the radar signing by Luhnow....I questioned it initially...and ut paid off greatly....now is finding Morton 2.0: A pitcher with great makeup, with focus on spin rate, and has had mixed results...probably more due to injuries...Cahill matches.... |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 14, 2018 9:10:08 GMT -6
It could with Cahill or Miller or Stroman?  What about Ervin Santana or Garret Richards?? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2018 9:35:01 GMT -6
It could with Cahill or Miller or Stroman? What about Ervin Santana or Garret Richards?? Santana would be okay but only if that velocity gets better. He was not too impressive last season. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 14, 2018 9:58:44 GMT -6
It could with Cahill or Miller or Stroman? What about Ervin Santana or Garret Richards?? I mentioned Richards before, but he would be lucky to pitch this next season...his signing would be for 2020 |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 14, 2018 10:04:16 GMT -6
It could with Cahill or Miller or Stroman? What about Ervin Santana or Garret Richards?? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 14, 2018 10:15:34 GMT -6
Man, the Brain Drain in the Astros front office has been brutal.
They've lost:
Mike Elias (New Orioles GM)
Mike Fast
Sig Mejdal
Dave Hudgens
Jeff Albert
Doug White
Josh Bonifay
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 14, 2018 10:15:35 GMT -6
It depends on the add and how much they trust Straw Wouldn’t be surprised to see Straw take over Jake’s role next season. I just don’t think the Astros will non-tender Marisnick and get nothing at all in return for him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2018 10:18:40 GMT -6
Man, the Brain Drain in the Astros front office has been brutal. They've lost: Mike Elias (New Orioles GM) Mike Fast Sig Mejdal Dave Hudgens Jeff Albert Doug White Josh Bonifay It’s like a sting operation. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2018 10:20:42 GMT -6
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Straw take over Jake’s role next season. I just don’t think the Astros will non-tender Marisnick and get nothing at all in return for him. I think he would’ve accepted it. I’m trying to figure out who the front office wants and what the plan is moving forward. So far, they’ve just been losing players and personnel. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 14, 2018 10:23:22 GMT -6
Also, Sig Mejdal has reportedly agreed to join Mike Elias in Baltimore if he lands the GM job.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 14, 2018 10:30:52 GMT -6
We non-tendered Marwin for nothing in return for all intents and purposes. I must be the only one who thinks Marwin will get a deal similar to Ben Zobrist's when he became a Cub. A QO would've been worth it IMO I’m trying to figure out who the front office wants and what the plan is moving forward. So far, they’ve just been losing players and personnel. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 14, 2018 10:31:56 GMT -6
We non-tendered Marwin for nothing in return for all intents and purposes. I must be the only one who thinks Marwin will get a deal similar to Ben Zobrist's when he became a Cub. A QO would've been worth it IMO I think he would’ve accepted it. I’m trying to figure out who the front office wants and what the plan is moving forward. So far, they’ve just been losing players and personnel. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2018 10:42:09 GMT -6
So Cional Perez and Jake Marsanik straight up for Nick Castellanos? Who says no? Me. I think two players/prospects get it done, but you'd need more than that. Those two and maybe Fisher? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2018 10:44:03 GMT -6
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Straw take over Jake’s role next season. I just don’t think the Astros will non-tender Marisnick and get nothing at all in return for him. Yeah, I think he should have been given a QO too. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 14, 2018 10:56:56 GMT -6
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Straw take over Jake’s role next season. I just don’t think the Astros will non-tender Marisnick and get nothing at all in return for him. There is a huge difference between not offering Marwin $17.9 million for one year and not tendering a $2.5 +/- million dollar contract to Marisnick. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 14, 2018 11:03:20 GMT -6
So Cional Perez and Jake Marsanik straight up for Nick Castellanos? Who says no? Me. I think two players/prospects get it done, but you'd need more than that. Those two and maybe Fisher? Who wouldn't want Jake Marsanik? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2018 11:07:46 GMT -6
Me. I think two players/prospects get it done, but you'd need more than that. Those two and maybe Fisher? Who wouldn't want Jake Marsanik? Marisnick would be a nice addition to most trades for teams that lack OF depth, but an all-star caliber DH, even for just a year, is going to take more than Jake and one pitching prospect. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 14, 2018 11:10:06 GMT -6
Who wouldn't want Jake Marsanik? Marisnick would be a nice addition to most trades for teams that lack OF depth, but an all-star caliber DH, even for just a year, is going to take more than Jake and one pitching prospect. Oh, you know I'm all for whatever we can do to get that wanker off of my team. But I was talking about Voodoo's boy, Jake Marsanik. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 14, 2018 11:24:55 GMT -6
According to FanGraphs’ prospect value evaluations, Castellanos is worth the current value they project for Tigers prospect Franklin Perez, at $14 million. For context, Matt Manning is valued at $15 million, while outfielder Christin Stewart is valued at $13 million. The Astros’ prospect closest in value is Cuban power-lefty Cionel Perez, checking in at an estimated value of $17 million.
Like I said Jake Marsanik and Cional Perez... move money off to add money
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 14, 2018 11:28:23 GMT -6
I mean if you want the job to go to Myles Straw you do this deal.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 14, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -6
Kyle Tucker has a 55m
Forrest Whitley has a 54m
Yordan Alvarez has a 30m
J.B. has a 22m
Josh James has a 20m
Cional Perez has a 17m
Corbin Martin has a 15m
Framber Valdez has a 10m
Seth Bear has a 10m
Myles Straw has a 8m
The value is based off a bunch of different numbers but it's close to what you would think as a value to a players war and current contract .
So if Nick Castellanos cost let say because of arbitration 8m for 2019 he bats in the .300 range and a WAR of 2.9
We send Jake Marsanik 3m contract bats .220ish with a War of 1.7 plus Cional Perez
It should get a deal done. And it would be relatively cheaper the Nelson Cruz. Although he wouldnt put the 40hr spot up he would be in the department of 100 rbis and 300 avg .
Would that be worth it?
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 14, 2018 12:17:20 GMT -6
Simpy letting Marwin go with no attempt to re-sign him makes Luhnow look like a damn fool.
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Post by Saint on Nov 14, 2018 12:23:29 GMT -6
Marwin is a solid player with value, but he's hardly a major loss. Getting a catcher, DH, and some pitching help is far more important.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 14, 2018 12:32:09 GMT -6
Marwin is a solid player with value, but he's hardly a major loss. Getting a catcher, DH, and some pitching help is far more important. Exactly right. People complain about players like Correa who are injured and miss time, but then want Marwin paid millions when he is essentially absent for half of the season...and isn't even injured. He just half-asses it through 80 games, then gets hot and wins over the fan base again. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 14, 2018 12:59:16 GMT -6
Marwin is a solid player with value, but he's hardly a major loss. Getting a catcher, DH, and some pitching help is far more important. Exactly right. People complain about players like Correa who are injured and miss time, but then want Marwin paid millions when he is essentially absent for half of the season...and isn't even injured. He just half-asses it through 80 games, then gets hot and wins over the fan base again. Agreed. That's the only issue with Marwin is half a year he is gone. And his Avg gos to poop. Then 2nd late half and play offs it's like I wanna play now. And the avg goes marginal. He is a lose when it comes to play offs. But essentially he is t a big lose for the season. But like you said. DH who hits for power and Avg 1B who hits for power and Avg C who hits for avg And some pitching |
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