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Post by m240 on Jan 17, 2019 7:55:19 GMT -6
As good as Luhnow is, and how much down side there is to a $300M plus contract is for Harper? I just don't see it happening. Let your competition overpay. If this was Trout? Hell Yeah. But check Harper's stats. They aren't in the same league. For Trout, hell yes....Harper, hopefully there is a clause in the 10 year contract that he can bail after 3 years and he takes it. I could almost see some kind of weird contract for Harper. One that would allow him to have the highest aav yet, but that would be short term in years. Something like a 10 year 360 million dollar deal with multiple opt outs. Player opt outs at 3, 5, and 7 years and team opt outs at 3 and 7. That actually would make sense, now whether Harper and Boras would agree to allowing the team to opt out, that is a different thing. You can almost understand why Harper would want to come to Houston and play here with all the young guys his age and younger that are talented and in a 3 year window Houston could win two more championships, with a couple of young pitchers coming through and a couple of veteran signings. So why not, he was in Washington with all that talent and they never went anywhere so maybe he sees Houston as his chance to get a ring. Then if he wants to move on he could. In the meantime Harper and Boras have bragging rights. If Houston does sign him Reddick's got to go and no way we add any more $ this year for pitching. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 17, 2019 8:03:56 GMT -6
Just imagine how good our offense would be with a line up that starts with Springer, Bregman, Altuve, Harper, Correa, little Ted living up to his hype, Alvarez living up to his hype, and White proving that 18 was no fluke. You could have me and coach pitching and still win 100 games.
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 17, 2019 8:05:13 GMT -6
Nice. I was in 3rd grade when Airplane! premiered on cable Danged whippersnappers. I was in College when it came out. It was a spoof of "Airport" with Dean Martin which came out when I was a freshman in High School. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 17, 2019 8:06:50 GMT -6
For Trout, hell yes....Harper, hopefully there is a clause in the 10 year contract that he can bail after 3 years and he takes it. I could almost see some kind of weird contract for Harper. One that would allow him to have the highest aav yet, but that would be short term in years. Something like a 10 year 360 million dollar deal with multiple opt outs. Player opt outs at 3, 5, and 7 years and team opt outs at 3 and 7. That actually would make sense, now whether Harper and Boras would agree to allowing the team to opt out, that is a different thing. You can almost understand why Harper would want to come to Houston and play here with all the young guys his age and younger that are talented and in a 3 year window Houston could win two more championships, with a couple of young pitchers coming through and a couple of veteran signings. So why not, he was in Washington with all that talent and they never went anywhere so maybe he sees Houston as his chance to get a ring. Then if he wants to move on he could. In the meantime Harper and Boras have bragging rights. If Houston does sign him Reddick's got to go and no way we add any more $ this year for pitching. I seriously doubt that we sign Harper, but I agree with you. If we did, Reddick is gone. Probably Tucker too, for a SP or Realmuto. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 8:10:26 GMT -6
While I would only be able to give 10% odds to Houston signing Harper, if it did occur, there would still be enough talent to trade for SP and/or RP.
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Post by marshall on Jan 17, 2019 8:19:21 GMT -6
While we're fantasizing, how about picking up Yelic and Trout to go with Harper and Realmuto.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 8:23:09 GMT -6
Hypothetically speaking, if Houston acquired Harper, Realmuto, and a decent 4th starter, the expected WAR of the OD roster would be nearing 60. That's insane, especially considering how Fangraphs' projections assume Tucker, Whitley, and James won't contribute very much to the team's success in 2019, I suspect Fangraphs is missing about 3 extra WAR from those young players.
While it would be fun to build a Super Team of that scale, it would come at the likely cost of hamstringing the Astros for most of the 2020s. I don't think I would be willing to pay that cost if I were in Luhnow's shoes.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 17, 2019 8:27:27 GMT -6
While we're fantasizing, how about picking up Yelic and Trout to go with Harper and Realmuto. We missed our chance to get Yelich last year due to Luhnow SITTING ON HIS HANDS AND DOING NOTHING!!!! |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 8:34:34 GMT -6
Tyler White on MLB radio today www.mlb.com/astros/video/white-on-settling-in-with-astros/c-2522153283By OPS, White is quite possibly the 4th-best Astros hitter vs RHP (.822 OPS in 2017-18) and at least the 3rd-best hitter vs LHP (.909 OPS in 2016-18 and 1.049 OPS in 2017-18). I expect him to be considered part of the 'core' by the end of this season. In terms of offensive production per dollar, he may be the best value on the team currently. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 8:45:26 GMT -6
well, second-best value I suppose (considering Bregman)
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Post by m240 on Jan 17, 2019 9:04:22 GMT -6
While we're fantasizing, how about picking up Yelic and Trout to go with Harper and Realmuto. Hey we are within 30 days of the action picking back up on the new season. Now is the time to daydream |
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Post by m240 on Jan 17, 2019 9:05:17 GMT -6
Daydreaming is the only thing that keeps your mind off of what is not happening.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 17, 2019 9:19:26 GMT -6
I could almost see some kind of weird contract for Harper. One that would allow him to have the highest aav yet, but that would be short term in years. Something like a 10 year 360 million dollar deal with multiple opt outs. Player opt outs at 3, 5, and 7 years and team opt outs at 3 and 7. That actually would make sense, now whether Harper and Boras would agree to allowing the team to opt out, that is a different thing. You can almost understand why Harper would want to come to Houston and play here with all the young guys his age and younger that are talented and in a 3 year window Houston could win two more championships, with a couple of young pitchers coming through and a couple of veteran signings. So why not, he was in Washington with all that talent and they never went anywhere so maybe he sees Houston as his chance to get a ring. Then if he wants to move on he could. In the meantime Harper and Boras have bragging rights. If Houston does sign him Reddick's got to go and no way we add any more $ this year for pitching. I seriously doubt that we sign Harper, but I agree with you. If we did, Reddick is gone. Probably Tucker too, for a SP or Realmuto. If the Astros somehow got Harper, why in the world would they not use Tucker to get pitching.... |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 9:19:33 GMT -6
It's just crazy talk I think. I mean I've been saying this the entire time.
1. Astros have wanted that pure power bat for a long time. They where in on Stanton and Cruz to name a few.
2. They want a DH very badly. But they just cant figure that point out?
3. Harper is 26yrs old so signing him to a ten yr deal where he could opt out at the age of 29yrs old, might fancy Boras.
Bad part is if they where to do this Springer among others would be affected when it comes to making a short term deal for him to stay.
This would also mean in my opinion on the subject we talked about yesterday. Correa would be on the hot seat as far as in two years if he hasn't put nothing togather they try and get value to help the club.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 9:23:18 GMT -6
I seriously doubt that we sign Harper, but I agree with you. If we did, Reddick is gone. Probably Tucker too, for a SP or Realmuto. If the Astros somehow got Harper, why in the world would they not use Tucker to get pitching.... I get what you are saying I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But I would tend to think since they have 6yrs of control they would keep him considering the big money they would be spending on Harper. 2yr window. Brantley and Springer?  Also you could DH Harper or play him in LF with Brantley at 1B or vise versa. But for real though If this where to happen Reddick and Yuli and some other contract like a Marisnick or Harris or Devenski would have to move on. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 9:35:04 GMT -6
And what about signing a Ervin Santana or Clay Bucholtz or Edwin Jackson or even a Wade Miley?
Just one or two of them would suffice.
Seth Lugo would be a cheap acquisition
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 10:16:18 GMT -6
And what about signing a Ervin Santana or Clay Bucholtz or Edwin Jackson or even a Wade Miley? Just one or two of them would suffice. Seth Lugo would be a cheap acquisition I'm down for trading for Seth Lugo, but I don't think it will happen. I have a feeling that Luhnow began his discussions with the Met's brass regarding Lugo and nothing came to fruition. So he then traded JD Davis for prospects and they couldn't agree to include Lugo in the trade. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 17, 2019 10:21:48 GMT -6
And what about signing a Ervin Santana or Clay Bucholtz or Edwin Jackson or even a Wade Miley? Just one or two of them would suffice. Seth Lugo would be a cheap acquisition I'm down for trading for Seth Lugo, but I don't think it will happen. I have a feeling that Luhnow began his discussions with the Met's brass regarding Lugo and nothing came to fruition. So he then traded JD Davis for prospects and they couldn't agree to include Lugo in the trade. I am pretty sure you are right. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 17, 2019 11:18:17 GMT -6
I think Harper gets $330 for 10 years. Enough to say it's the current biggest contract. And if does happen, I predict it will be the worst signing since the Angels/Pujols event. I don't think so. He'll be younger than Pujols and plays a slightly more defensive heavy position than Pujols did before being a DH. So more value with that (a little). Ton of money though. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 11:32:49 GMT -6
And if does happen, I predict it will be the worst signing since the Angels/Pujols event. I don't think so. He'll be younger than Pujols and plays a slightly more defensive heavy position than Pujols did before being a DH. So more value with that (a little). Ton of money though. That's what I'm saying. If you brought on Harper. Maybe move Brantley to 1B/DH put Harper In LF move Reddick to another team. Along with Yuli |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 17, 2019 11:34:08 GMT -6
I'm down for trading for Seth Lugo, but I don't think it will happen. I have a feeling that Luhnow began his discussions with the Met's brass regarding Lugo and nothing came to fruition. So he then traded JD Davis for prospects and they couldn't agree to include Lugo in the trade. I am pretty sure you are right. I unfortunately agree, Astros would have worked at a deal for Lugo in the Davis trade. Either the Mets won't trade him or they want too much for him, but man I think he would perfect for the Astros. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 11:40:05 GMT -6
Interesting Idea
Baltimore gets:
Josh Reddick
Christian Javier
Bryan Abreu
And
Jeremy Pena
Astros get:
Alex Cobb
And
Dylan Bundy
Plus 6m cash on Cobbs contract spread over the last three years of his Contract
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 12:12:11 GMT -6
While we're fantasizing, how about picking up Yelic and Trout to go with Harper and Realmuto. We missed our chance to get Yelich last year due to Luhnow SITTING ON HIS HANDS AND DOING NOTHING!!!! That is his norm........sitting on his ass while other teams get the players who could help us. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 12:14:03 GMT -6
I don't think so. He'll be younger than Pujols and plays a slightly more defensive heavy position than Pujols did before being a DH. So more value with that (a little). Ton of money though. That's what I'm saying. If you brought on Harper. Maybe move Brantley to 1B/DH put Harper In LF move Reddick to another team. Along with Yuli Your hatred for Yuli and Reddick is out of control. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 17, 2019 13:56:45 GMT -6
Ottavino to the Yankees
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 17, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -6
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 14:01:07 GMT -6
That's what I'm saying. If you brought on Harper. Maybe move Brantley to 1B/DH put Harper In LF move Reddick to another team. Along with Yuli Your hatred for Yuli and Reddick is out of control. It's not hatred it's the only way we could add anything higher then 15m contract with out hurting us next year |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 14:10:23 GMT -6
Verlander, Cole, and Pressly are becoming free agents soon. It wouldn’t hurt for Luhnow to bring in some pitching. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 14:12:15 GMT -6
I would take flyers on Justin Wilson and Adam Warren if I Could trade Devenski and Harris
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Post by Saint on Jan 17, 2019 14:15:39 GMT -6
The Yankees have decided to give up on improving their starters and just plan on getting 4-5 innings out of them and going to the bullpen. Worked for the Athletics most of 2018...
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