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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 17, 2019 14:18:53 GMT -6
Live chat happening right now on MLBTR.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 17, 2019 14:22:39 GMT -6
I would take flyers on Justin Wilson and Adam Warren if I Could trade Devenski and Harris I dunno much about Adam Warren but Justin Wilson has had a strange history. At times, lights-out. Other times, scary bad. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 14:27:10 GMT -6
Verlander, Cole, and Pressly are becoming free agents soon. It wouldn’t hurt for Luhnow to bring in some pitching. i agree, but, Luhnow seems to be happy with what he has. He needs to get off his ass and do his job. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 17, 2019 14:55:05 GMT -6
Hell of a deal for the Yankees, |
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Post by Saint on Jan 17, 2019 14:56:35 GMT -6
Overrated deal, imo.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 15:04:55 GMT -6
Not a word about anything Astros related which could mean something is in the works........We can only hope Luhnow is trying to get some pitching help.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 17, 2019 15:28:56 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 17, 2019 15:41:33 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 16:20:49 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. Ottavino > Smith Let’s be real. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 17, 2019 16:22:11 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. Ottavino struggled in 2017 but put up some very nice numbers in 2016 and 2018. Not to mention his home park was Coors Field. It looks like a fair deal to me. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 16:23:06 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. i was never impressed with Smith before we signed him and have seen nothing to change my mind. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 16:24:24 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. My knock on the Astros getting Ottavino is they don’t have much sustained luck with slider-dependent relievers. Lidge and Giles come to mind. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 16:24:58 GMT -6
basically what the Astros paid for Joe Smith per year...I think it is a good value for the Yankees....plus even makes them more formidable....not much is going to be asked for the starters with such a deep bullpen: Chapman, Betances, Ottavino, Britton, Green. i was never impressed with Smith before we signed him and have seen nothing to change my mind. I really liked the move. It appears I was wrong. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 16:25:18 GMT -6
Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. Ottavino > Smith Let’s be real. Saying Ottavino> Smith isn't much of a complement to Ottavino. LOTS of relievers are better than Smith. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 16:26:30 GMT -6
i was never impressed with Smith before we signed him and have seen nothing to change my mind. I really liked the move. It appears I was wrong. He is too inconsistent for my liking. He has a tendency to give up big home runs. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 16:27:24 GMT -6
I wish we had signed Joe Kelley before the Dodgers got him.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 17, 2019 16:53:38 GMT -6
Ottavino > Smith Let’s be real. Saying Ottavino> Smith isn't much of a complement to Ottavino. LOTS of relievers are better than Smith. Fair enough. Of the 191 relief pitchers who threw at least 40 innings last year, 108 had a higher WPA than Joe Smith.
By contrast, only 14 had a higher WPA than Ottavino.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 17:48:12 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely.
Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros.
I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers.
I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold.
They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 17:50:15 GMT -6
I seen a wild rumor today thought I would share it.
Sonny Gray and Miguel Andujar to the Astros for Forrest Whitley and Corban Martin.
Thought it was pretty funny so I shared with you guys. It came from a mid level beat writer.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 17:58:04 GMT -6
Blummer says last year there was a deal on the table Tucker for Realmuto straight up and the Astros backed out?
Interesting
I'm hearing
Yordan Alvarez
J.B. Bukouskas
Max Stassi
Christian Jaiver
And Rogelio Armentaros
For
J.T. Realmuto
And Lewis Brenson
It's pretty interesting
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 18:34:48 GMT -6
Blummer says last year there was a deal on the table Tucker for Realmuto straight up and the Astros backed out? Interesting I'm hearing Yordan Alvarez J.B. Bukouskas Max Stassi Christian Jaiver And Rogelio Armentaros For J.T. Realmuto And Lewis Brenson It's pretty interesting That would be quite a haul for the Marlins. I'd have to look closely at the numbers to see if the Astros come out ahead though. Depends a lot on what can be expected of Brinson. Losing Alvarez and Armenteros would probably hurt the most. do you think including Bukauskas and Javier would be essential? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 18:42:17 GMT -6
I was hoping the Astros might sign one of David Robertson or Ottavino but they're both gone so... on to other options. Brad Brach, Mychal Givens, Shawn Kelley would be some of the arms I'd look for at this point. The problem with getting a reliever at the deadline is that he may have been way overused in the first half (like Herrera last year).
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 18:49:41 GMT -6
Blummer says last year there was a deal on the table Tucker for Realmuto straight up and the Astros backed out? Interesting I'm hearing Yordan Alvarez J.B. Bukouskas Max Stassi Christian Jaiver And Rogelio Armentaros For J.T. Realmuto And Lewis Brenson It's pretty interesting That would be quite a haul for the Marlins. I'd have to look closely at the numbers to see if the Astros come out ahead though. Depends a lot on what can be expected of Brinson. Losing Alvarez and Armenteros would probably hurt the most. do you think including Bukauskas and Javier would be essential? Idk. The deal seems like a prelude to another deal? Brenson is considered a Prospect anymore I mean he is a 4th OF unless he turns a corner and turns his Bat around. But in thinking out loud. Prelude to another deal. Meaning to me. Straw or Brenson would be Future CF. As soon. As 2 years. When Springers contract is coming up and Brantley and Reddicks contract. So if a Harper is signed it would make since. I do believe it's alot to be paid. But we dont give up Tucker or Whitley or even Martin, James or Valdez. So idk It just seems like a prelude to another trade type of deal |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 17, 2019 18:53:39 GMT -6
Blummer says last year there was a deal on the table Tucker for Realmuto straight up and the Astros backed out? Interesting I'm hearing Yordan Alvarez J.B. Bukouskas Max Stassi Christian Jaiver And Rogelio Armentaros For J.T. Realmuto And Lewis Brenson It's pretty interesting When is this mega deal going to go down? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 17, 2019 18:56:01 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams It used to be the Cubs that they were accused of homering. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 17, 2019 19:05:16 GMT -6
 LMAO. (Don't know if real) |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 19:14:39 GMT -6
Interesting Idea Baltimore gets: Josh Reddick Christian Javier Bryan Abreu And Jeremy Pena Astros get: Alex Cobb And Dylan Bundy Plus 6m cash on Cobbs contract spread over the last three years of his Contract I don't see the logic of such a trade from an Astros perspective. Cobb would do well to keep his ERA around 4.50 and Bundy, somewhere around 5.00. These guys have the stamina to throw innings, but the quality just isn't there, and there are limits to what Strom can do. Maybe there is something promising in their skill set that I'm missing which Strom would recognize as something he could work with, but I'd rather hold on to the players suggested in the trade. If the Astros are going to trade with Baltimore, it should be for Givens (70 quality innings from him would be much better than the 300 innings of trash Cobb/Bundy would throw). Reddick probably couldn't be packaged in that deal but the Astros farm system has the prospect wealth to get that deal done in a way that won't make fans wince. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 17, 2019 19:29:16 GMT -6
On the GDT we were discussing what the OD lineup might look like, how they might fare against LHP and RHP, etc.
A .775 OPS offense (which it looks like the 2019 Astros will be good for, conservative assumptions included) coupled with the pitching staff the Astros have now ought to produce 100 wins, according to the supercomputer. Further improve on weaknesses, and the expected win total goes up.
The main 3 weaknesses I saw in 2018 were:
1) Weak hitting vs RHP. This hurts especially because most pitching is RHP. It was cool that the Astros destroyed LHP, but they only saw lefties 30% of the time. Dealing with RHP is the bigger issue a team has to focus on.
2) Slowness on the base paths. The Astros were something like the 26th fastest team out of 30 teams. Granted, when you hit a HR, it doesn't matter how slow you or the men on base are, but you don't always hit HRs. The team needs to at least be league-average in terms of speed.
3) GIDP proclivity. Even after accounting for the extra GIDP opportunities generated by high OBP, the 2018 Astros still hit into way more DPs than other teams. Plate discipline (looking at you, Yuli), launch angle (looking at you, Altuve), and hardness of contact (looking at you, Kemp) are three of the keys to avoiding the GIDP.
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Post by marshall on Jan 17, 2019 19:55:49 GMT -6
I seen a wild rumor today thought I would share it. Sonny Gray and Miguel Andujar to the Astros for Forrest Whitley and Corban Martin. Thought it was pretty funny so I shared with you guys. It came from a mid level beat writer. They should know Luhnow is not stupid. It's more than funny, it's sad. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 20:28:25 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely. Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros. I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams Why should we give a damn what Jeffrey Todd said? |
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