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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 20:32:09 GMT -6
Blummer says last year there was a deal on the table Tucker for Realmuto straight up and the Astros backed out? Interesting I'm hearing Yordan Alvarez J.B. Bukouskas Max Stassi Christian Jaiver And Rogelio Armentaros For J.T. Realmuto And Lewis Brenson It's pretty interesting When is this mega deal going to go down? When hell freezes over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:53:24 GMT -6
I seen a wild rumor today thought I would share it. Sonny Gray and Miguel Andujar to the Astros for Forrest Whitley and Corban Martin. Thought it was pretty funny so I shared with you guys. It came from a mid level beat writer. Whitley has the stuff to be one of the best pitchers in baseball. You really think Luhnow would want that on his resume? Come back to semi-reality for a change. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 17, 2019 21:14:00 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely. Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros. I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams Why should we give a damn what Jeffrey Todd said? Yeah, F' Jeffrey Todd... Everyone knows you can't trust a Todd. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 21:33:20 GMT -6
 LMAO. (Don't know if real) Shouldn’t the agent be the one talking up Keuchel? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 17, 2019 21:34:51 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely. Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros. I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams Let’s say we have Realmuto next year and no Verlander or Cole. Does that make us better? My guess is no. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 17, 2019 21:51:27 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely. Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros. I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams Let’s say we have Realmuto next year and no Verlander or Cole. Does that make us better? My guess is no. ***** |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 17, 2019 21:54:56 GMT -6
Offer Cole 5 yr/140. Let's get this man wrapped up...
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 17, 2019 22:29:40 GMT -6
Offer Cole 5 yr/140. Let's get this man wrapped up... Offer cole the same deal Patrick Corbin got |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 22:56:07 GMT -6
Jeffrey Todd says Astros wont resign Cole Or Verlander. That it's very unlikely. Also says J.T. Realmuto to the Astros. I'm not a fan of MlB trade rumors writers. I feel they talk alot about Red Sox and Yankees as if they are gold. They hit on alot of teams but you can tell those are there teams Let’s say we have Realmuto next year and no Verlander or Cole. Does that make us better? My guess is no. if we lose Verlander and Cole, it won't matter who is catching. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 17, 2019 22:57:06 GMT -6
Offer Cole 5 yr/140. Let's get this man wrapped up... ***** |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 8:05:00 GMT -6
Offer Cole 5 yr/140. Let's get this man wrapped up... Agreed. I want to keep both Verlander and Cole. Given their age though if we were to lock up only one then lock up Cole. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 18, 2019 8:26:53 GMT -6
Offer Cole 5 yr/140. Let's get this man wrapped up... Agreed. I want to keep both Verlander and Cole. Given their age though if we were to lock up only one then lock up Cole. If you were Cole would you sign a deal that was less than what Corbin signed for. Not me I would want at least one year more and 30 million more. And if I had two years in a row like his year last year I would want even more than that. So given that are you comfortable with 6 years and 140, how about 7years and 170. Now I kind of like abregmanfan's idea of signing him to a 5 year 140 million dollar deal for this year. That buys out his 13 million dollar year for this year and gives him 127 million for the next 4 years. Heck we might be able to get him for 4 more years and 120 million. That is a deal that I would do. Personally I would try to get a 20/28/28/28/25 deal done. Then offer Verlander a 28/28 deal with an automatic vesting clause that pays him 25 million for 2022 with performance criteria for vesting of 200 innings and a sub 4 era for 2021. Even with that I do not think either one would sign. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 18, 2019 8:46:08 GMT -6
Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. Ottavino > Smith Let’s be real. Yeah every other year he's better than Smith. And then every other year he's far far worse. And worse for his career.... For more money and a longer contract. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 18, 2019 8:54:11 GMT -6
Yeah but Ottavino has been way less consistent and it's for an additional year. Ottavino struggled in 2017 but put up some very nice numbers in 2016 and 2018. Not to mention his home park was Coors Field. It looks like a fair deal to me. I don't think it's a BAD deal, but I don't think he improves the Yankees that much. He's been very inconsistent in his career and a career WHIP of 1.300 for a reliever is no bueno. If he can actually have consecutive good years, he might be worth the deal. We'll see. Comparing the deal Joe Smith got before last year to this one isn't a fair shake, imo. Smith had better and more consistent career numbers than Ottavino, and we got him for $12 million less plus only two years. Obviously Smith did not have a great year (although it wasn't as bad as people around here like to complain about), but it was still a good and necessary deal when we signed him. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 18, 2019 8:55:17 GMT -6
Agreed. I want to keep both Verlander and Cole. Given their age though if we were to lock up only one then lock up Cole. If you were Cole would you sign a deal that was less than what Corbin signed for. Not me I would want at least one year more and 30 million more. And if I had two years in a row like his year last year I would want even more than that. So given that are you comfortable with 6 years and 140, how about 7years and 170. Now I kind of like abregmanfan's idea of signing him to a 5 year 140 million dollar deal for this year. That buys out his 13 million dollar year for this year and gives him 127 million for the next 4 years. Heck we might be able to get him for 4 more years and 120 million. That is a deal that I would do. Personally I would try to get a 20/28/28/28/25 deal done. Then offer Verlander a 28/28 deal with an automatic vesting clause that pays him 25 million for 2022 with performance criteria for vesting of 200 innings and a sub 4 era for 2021. Even with that I do not think either one would sign. Yeah, Cole certainly shouldn't settle for anything less than Corbin. I like those ideas though. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 18, 2019 9:14:17 GMT -6
I think Machado is really close to signing with the White Sox.
I think we could see this deal by Sunday.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 18, 2019 9:17:14 GMT -6
I think Machado is really close to signing with the White Sox. I think we could see this deal by Sunday. Yeah! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 9:21:03 GMT -6
I think Machado is really close to signing with the White Sox. I think we could see this deal by Sunday. Yeah! Good, let that a**hole go to a team that is nowhere near winning a WS. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 18, 2019 9:25:24 GMT -6
I think Machado is really close to signing with the White Sox. I think we could see this deal by Sunday. It's about time we got the final word on that.  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 18, 2019 9:31:34 GMT -6
I have a crazy Question would you guys trade for Clint Frazier?
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 18, 2019 9:31:37 GMT -6
I have not seen anything related to Carlos Gonzalez this winter. He could fill the role Beltran played.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 18, 2019 9:32:29 GMT -6
I have a crazy Question would you guys trade for Clint Frazier? Like every trade, it depends on who we give up. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 18, 2019 9:39:20 GMT -6
Ottavino struggled in 2017 but put up some very nice numbers in 2016 and 2018. Not to mention his home park was Coors Field. It looks like a fair deal to me. I don't think it's a BAD deal, but I don't think he improves the Yankees that much. He's been very inconsistent in his career and a career WHIP of 1.300 for a reliever is no bueno. If he can actually have consecutive good years, he might be worth the deal. We'll see. Comparing the deal Joe Smith got before last year to this one isn't a fair shake, imo. Smith had better and more consistent career numbers than Ottavino, and we got him for $12 million less plus only two years. Obviously Smith did not have a great year (although it wasn't as bad as people around here like to complain about), but it was still a good and necessary deal when we signed him. I'll definitely concede on the inconsistency issue. Whip of 1.300 is right about league average for relief pitchers in the past three years. Not good but not horrible either. www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=c,4,5,11,7,8,13,-1,36,37,40,43,44,48,51,-1,6,45,62,-1,59,42&season=2018&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
I guess it all depends on whether you think his seasons going forward will look more like his 2016 and 2018 than his 2017. Personally, I do. However, YMMV.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 18, 2019 11:10:44 GMT -6
I have a crazy Question would you guys trade for Clint Frazier? Pointless move. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 18, 2019 11:21:20 GMT -6
I have a crazy Question would you guys trade for Clint Frazier? Pointless move. It's just a general question. Makes less then Marisnick. And it looks like the Yankees are down on him |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 18, 2019 11:23:01 GMT -6
There is a 40% chance Marwin Gonzalez comes back to the Astros.
I'm against it due to dollar value he wants.
But apparently Crane and Marwin have talked alot
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 18, 2019 11:26:30 GMT -6
It's just a general question. Makes less then Marisnick. And it looks like the Yankees are down on him His best position is 3B, but Bregman is thriving there. Bregman can play middle infield, but he’s blocked. If they could make Frazier a utility player, then I’m all for it. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 18, 2019 11:29:41 GMT -6
It's just a general question. Makes less then Marisnick. And it looks like the Yankees are down on him The last thing we need is another player with no spot to play. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 18, 2019 12:42:13 GMT -6
You can't and don't want to fill out your roster entirely with free agents and trades when you have as good of a farm system as we have with players ready to step up the the Major League Club. They are already being blocked with higher priced players with less potential. I understand not all will work out. But 100% of those never given a chance will NOT improve us. They will just be shipped out to other clubs where they become stars we regret not giving a chance.
There are 25 roster spots and the typical player sticks around about 5 years. That means about 5 players should come up through the ranks each year for a typical club. Even on a good club, there should be three or four if your farm system is working.
Face it, most players being talked about are more experienced, but with less upside than prospects we have that are ready.
I'd love to lock in or acquire replacements for core members of the team. But replacements are already in the system and just need a chance to gain the requisite experience which honestly is a couple of years to find out if they can make the adjustments to get and stay on top. Some start slow and some start fast, but a couple of years give you a good picture of their ability to adjust to changes in the way opponents work to them.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 18, 2019 13:44:29 GMT -6
There is a 40% chance Marwin Gonzalez comes back to the Astros. I'm against it due to dollar value he wants. But apparently Crane and Marwin have talked alot I am more interested in putting together a team that can WIN instead of following the example left by Drayton McLane.......get players at Goodwill and claiming you are "building a champion". We don't need Frazier........if Crane wants Marwin, he will get him back......After all, he signs the checks. |
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