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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 25, 2019 22:28:45 GMT -6
It was moronic for people to assume we could land Castellanos and Fulmer without giving up Whitley or Tucker. I think Coach enjoys him being his personal villain. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 22:29:01 GMT -6
yet only nathan gets teased for silly trade proposals for some reason And I think you know the reason.  |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 25, 2019 22:32:20 GMT -6
I'm just trying to figure out what it is you're saying. If you're going to call people moron, I'll remind you I wasn't the one who suggested we could land Michael Fulmer in a trade for Tyler White
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
It was moronic for people to assume we could land Castellanos and Fulmer without giving up Whitley or Tucker. Luhnow could make that deal, if he would get off his lazy ass and do his job! But NOOOO!! He’s satisfied!!! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 22:40:36 GMT -6
You like to assume things, don't you?
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
I highly doubt I made such a proposal. I wanted to deal for Fulmer and I may have included White in the package to offer, but, I don't think I thought we would get Fulmer for just white and a mid-level prospect. I can't tell you how many laughs I get due to the fact that you seldom post at all except to make a sarcastic remark to me or repeat what somebody else says. I wish you could have an original thought for once, but, I guess that is asking for the impossible. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 22:45:41 GMT -6
I'm just trying to figure out what it is you're saying. If you're going to call people moron, I'll remind you I wasn't the one who suggested we could land Michael Fulmer in a trade for Tyler White
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
I wish you could have an original thought for once, but, |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 22:48:15 GMT -6
I'm just trying to figure out what it is you're saying. If you're going to call people moron, I'll remind you I wasn't the one who suggested we could land Michael Fulmer in a trade for Tyler White
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
I can't tell you how many laughs I get due to the fact that you seldom post at all except to make a sarcastic remark to me |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 22:48:21 GMT -6
It was moronic for people to assume we could land Castellanos and Fulmer without giving up Whitley or Tucker. and yet you never come up with anything original to post. Castellanos is a guy who would be nice to get, but, he sure isn't worth Tucker, Whitley, or any other top level prospect. I would not deal either Tucker or Whitley for him. If a package could not be put together to get him without including Tucker or Whitley, the trade should not be made. We anxiously await a trade proposal from you and we'll even give you time to ask somebody to supply you with an idea. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 22:49:06 GMT -6
I can't tell you how many laughs I get due to the fact that you seldom post at all except to make a sarcastic remark to me "bothered" you!!  |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 22:50:23 GMT -6
I wish you could have an original thought for once, but, Don't you mean Mr. Parrot? You constantly repeat what has already been posted., |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 22:50:59 GMT -6
yet only nathan gets teased for silly trade proposals for some reason and yet you never come up with anything original to post. Castellanos is a guy who would be nice to get, but, |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 23:03:51 GMT -6
and yet you never come up with anything original to post. Castellanos is a guy who would be nice to get, but, Son, as usual, you talk out of your ass. You probably thought Castellanos was in the Tigers starting rotation. Union makes a post and you take partial credit for it........again, nothing original. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 25, 2019 23:15:38 GMT -6
You like to assume things, don't you?
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
That was him but he didn't say 'mid-level'. It was "White and another prospect". (whatever that means) I replied something to the effect that unless 'another prospect' meant either Tucker or Whitley, all he'd hear on the other end of the line for an offer like that would be a click.  |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 25, 2019 23:25:54 GMT -6
Getting Castellanos would be a great deal for us. We are not going to give up Alvarez to get him though. I could see giving up someone on the 40 man roster along with a prospect though. I don't think giving up Alvarez for a one-year rental would be a good move for the Astros either. I'm just saying that's the kind of asking price we're seeing at the moment. Personally, I think if there's a deal to be made with the Astros and Tigers, there would probably be a third team involved. A team that would be interested in some expensive ML level talent like Reddick or the like. That would be of no use to the Tigers but to someone else, maybe. And there would likely be cash involved, too. I'd give them Kemp and a mid-level prospect for Castellanos. If they would also trade Fulmer, I'd add White and another prospect. Four years of Fulmer are worth a helluva lot more than one year of Castellanos. White definitely has value but his ML clock is already running. Basically four years of Fulmer >>> five years of White. Unless by 'another prospect' you mean someone like Tucker or Whitley, I'm pretty sure all you'd hear on the other end of the line after and offer like that would be a click. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 23:26:49 GMT -6
I'm just trying to figure out what it is you're saying. If you're going to call people moron, I'll remind you I wasn't the one who suggested we could land Michael Fulmer in a trade for Tyler White
and a mid-level prospect. Pretty sure that was you
That was him but he didn't say 'mid-level'. It was "White and another prospect". (whatever that means) I replied something to the effect that unless 'another prospect' meant either Tucker or Whitley, all he'd hear on the other end of the line for an offer like that would be a click. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 25, 2019 23:37:54 GMT -6
I'm 90% sure I can prove I was the 1st this winter to suggest Nick Castellanos as a trade target .. if I knew how to navigate the forum like you olpapa
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 25, 2019 23:38:48 GMT -6
Nice detective work olpapa  That was him but he didn't say 'mid-level'. It was "White and another prospect". (whatever that means) I replied something to the effect that unless 'another prospect' meant either Tucker or Whitley, all he'd hear on the other end of the line for an offer like that would be a click. No, but he was one of the guys I very much respected on the Tigers board. I was more into learning about mlb rules and advanced stats, he was pretty knowledgeable on trade values of players. I visited the Astros board a bit just before and after the Verlander trade. I used to taunt a Dodgers troll who was active on the Tigers board before the trade and the Astros board during the WS. I think his name was Lucipher or smth. I called him Lucy Fur. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 25, 2019 23:59:05 GMT -6
I don't think giving up Alvarez for a one-year rental would be a good move for the Astros either. I'm just saying that's the kind of asking price we're seeing at the moment. Personally, I think if there's a deal to be made with the Astros and Tigers, there would probably be a third team involved. A team that would be interested in some expensive ML level talent like Reddick or the like. That would be of no use to the Tigers but to someone else, maybe. And there would likely be cash involved, too. Four years of Fulmer are worth a helluva lot more than one year of Castellanos. White definitely has value but his ML clock is already running. Basically four years of Fulmer >>> five years of White. Unless by 'another prospect' you mean someone like Tucker or Whitley, I'm pretty sure all you'd hear on the other end of the line after and offer like that would be a click. No Tucker or Whitley, but, we could put together a package to get Castellanos and Fulmer. White and Kemp could be included along with some young pitching prospects like Valdez and Armenteros. Throw in another pitching prospect if necessary. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 0:06:11 GMT -6
I'm 90% sure I can prove I was the 1st this winter to suggest Nick Castellanos as a trade target .. if I knew how to navigate the forum like you olpapa If you can prove it, you get a gold star. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 0:44:08 GMT -6
Honestly, I think if we as in Crane and Lunhow could negotiate a long term deal like the Padres are demanding then Tucker would be gone already. And I really dont see the Dodgers getting him. Same with the Braves. I thought I reselently seen there GM talk about adding a Pitcher or two. I think this is a ploy to drive in more offers.I could be wrong Looks to me like Preller is trying to drive up the cost for the Dodgers. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 0:54:34 GMT -6
And don't trade Tyler White!
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Post by marshall on Jan 26, 2019 4:28:53 GMT -6
I'm 90% sure I can prove I was the 1st this winter to suggest Nick Castellanos as a trade target .. if I knew how to navigate the forum like you olpapa The first mention of Nick Castellanos this off season was an article referencing a trade deadline inquiry by the Astros posted by Abregmanfan. Of course a search did pick up some late season posts in Olpapas farm reports about Humberto Castellanos. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 6:55:58 GMT -6
Dean Deetz and Rogelio Armenteros receiving their marching orders at Ft Sam Houston  Ready for battle! |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 9:02:27 GMT -6
It was moronic for people to assume we could land Castellanos and Fulmer without giving up Whitley or Tucker. Luhnow could make that deal, if he would get off his lazy ass and do his job! But NOOOO!! He’s satisfied!!! glad you noticed it,too......although most of you seem to be a little slow. For a so-called hard-working GM, Luhnow still has not done anything to fill our pitching needs. |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 9:03:52 GMT -6
Luhnow could make that deal, if he would get off his lazy ass and do his job! But NOOOO!! He’s satisfied!!! glad you noticed it,too......although most of you seem to be a little slow. For a so-called hard-working GM, Luhnow still has not done anything to fill our pitching needs. SMH |
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Post by m240 on Jan 26, 2019 9:43:07 GMT -6
current 2019 projected payroll is $177 million including player benefits. That should leave around $29 million to play with until reaching the first luxury tax threshold. Crane could safely spend $20 million before OD and still have another $9 million to use in case a move requiring cash needs to be made during the regular season. climbingtalshill.com/2019/01/25/breaking-astros-current-2019-payroll/ interesting I did not know that benefits were included in the luxury tax calculations. but they are and increase annually, that changes a few things. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 9:45:55 GMT -6
glad you noticed it,too......although most of you seem to be a little slow. For a so-called hard-working GM, Luhnow still has not done anything to fill our pitching needs. SMH If he has done a damn thing to add pitching, I hope someone can point it out. I missed it. The latest I remember hearing from him is how "content" he is going to ST with what we have.........If a division title is all we want, that could work. If we want another WS appearance, we must improve the pitching. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 26, 2019 9:50:10 GMT -6
glad you noticed it,too......although most of you seem to be a little slow. For a so-called hard-working GM, Luhnow still has not done anything to fill our pitching needs. SMH I do not understand why it is so hard to understand that you have to have two willing partners to make a trade. If Luhnow can not find anyone that he values as much or more than who he is having to give up then he is not going to make the trade. That should not be too hard to figure out. The fact that we are projected to win more games than anyone else in the league and yet we still have 5 out of the top 100 prospects in the game and have one of the deepest minor league systems is an amazing accomplishment. You do not get there by being lazy and sitting on your ass and being satisfied. You accomplish that by being a very good general manager. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 26, 2019 9:54:30 GMT -6
Word is Realmuto wants to atleast play a year where he is traded before he signs long term doesnt prefer West coast teams.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 26, 2019 9:59:49 GMT -6
Although no one knows the cost of Jeters fabricated mind for realmuto. It seems less and less likely to the Astro.
But it is also wierd how other clubs value our prospects?
They dont. Only Whitley
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 10:07:21 GMT -6
current 2019 projected payroll is $177 million including player benefits. That should leave around $29 million to play with until reaching the first luxury tax threshold. Crane could safely spend $20 million before OD and still have another $9 million to use in case a move requiring cash needs to be made during the regular season. climbingtalshill.com/2019/01/25/breaking-astros-current-2019-payroll/ interesting I did not know that benefits were included in the luxury tax calculations. but they are and increase annually, that changes a few things. I've read articles saying player benefits are included and other articles saying they aren't included... I'm not sure myself but the $29 million is a conservative estimate of what's left in case Crane wants to go all the way up to the first threshold. If player benefits are accounted for separately, then Crane has over $40 million to work with. Not that he necessarily wants to push the budget to the threshold of course. |
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