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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 10:22:48 GMT -6
No Tucker or Whitley, but, we could put together a package to get Castellanos and Fulmer. White and Kemp could be included along with some young pitching prospects like Valdez and Armenteros. Throw in another pitching prospect if necessary. I think you'll hear just a click on the other end of the line with an offer like that. The Tigers will be targeting 2021 and beyond. So they'll be looking for high-ceiling talent that won't even hit the majors until 2020. Guys whose ML clocks are already running and have any options already burned aren't really all that attractive. White and Kemp might look good to another trade partner but for the Tigers ... not-so-much.
Castellanos is an easy get. The Tigers are motivated to move him now. That way the team who trades for him will get a full season and will be able to throw a QO at him at the end of the year.
Fulmer is a completely different story. Unless there's a Top-100 prospect as the featured player and some other decent pieces in the return, the Tigers will just hold on to him. His trade value is likely to skyrocket at the deadline.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 10:30:39 GMT -6
Castellanos and Renfroe are both low-hanging fruit now. I'd really like to see one of them become an Astro in the next few weeks.
Maybe the hang-up has more to do with moving player(s) off the 40-man roster who will be made redundant by the addition of the new guy.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 10:50:33 GMT -6
Castellanos and Renfroe are both low-hanging fruit now. I'd really like to see one of them become an Astro in the next few weeks. Maybe the hang-up has more to do with moving player(s) off the 40-man roster who will be made redundant by the addition of the new guy. Always a concern with a deep team. You don't want to subject players with some future value to waivers. Sometimes that can be accomplished by including one in a trade for the new player you're adding. Other times it requires another trade partner. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 11:31:51 GMT -6
No Tucker or Whitley, but, we could put together a package to get Castellanos and Fulmer. White and Kemp could be included along with some young pitching prospects like Valdez and Armenteros. Throw in another pitching prospect if necessary. I think you'll hear just a click on the other end of the line with an offer like that. The Tigers will be targeting 2021 and beyond. So they'll be looking for high-ceiling talent that won't even hit the majors until 2020. Guys whose ML clocks are already running and have any options already burned aren't really all that attractive. White and Kemp might look good to another trade partner but for the Tigers ... not-so-much.
Castellanos is an easy get. The Tigers are motivated to move him now. That way the team who trades for him will get a full season and will be able to throw a QO at him at the end of the year.
Fulmer is a completely different story. Unless there's a Top-100 prospect as the featured player and some other decent pieces in the return, the Tigers will just hold on to him. His trade value is likely to skyrocket at the deadline.
Getting Castellanos by himself is OK. I still think you over-value Fulmer based on what he has done. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 26, 2019 11:39:10 GMT -6
I'm 90% sure I can prove I was the 1st this winter to suggest Nick Castellanos as a trade target .. if I knew how to navigate the forum like you olpapa The first mention of Nick Castellanos this off season was an article referencing a trade deadline inquiry by the Astros posted by Abregmanfan. Of course a search did pick up some late season posts in Olpapas farm reports about Humberto Castellanos. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 11:43:58 GMT -6
I have to wonder to what extent the problems in Venezuela might affect Astros scouting/recruiting efforts in that country. AP just put out this blurb today:
"CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — It’s “Play Ball!” for Venezuela’s besieged socialist government, which wants to go ahead with an international baseball tournament despite safety concerns stemming from anti-government unrest that has roiled the nation in the past week.
On Saturday, Sports Minister Pedro Infante, flanked by Venezuelan winter league officials, said that the government can guarantee security for the teams from five countries signed up to participate in the Caribbean Series, which is set to start Feb. 2 in the central city of Barquisimeto.
Major League Baseball this week recommended in the “strongest terms” that players and staff not travel to Venezuela for the tournament."
Already, Luis Valbuena and Jose Castillo have been killed due at least in part to the unstable condition of that country. No sense in adding to the damage by sending guys from the minor league system there for tournaments, off-season play, whatever.
Beltran talked about how the hurricane-related problems in PR became a big distraction from baseball for him in 2017. It would be unfortunate if the coup / civil war (or whatever) brewing in Venezuela gives Altuve or other Astros org guys from Venezuela reason to be preoccupied with family matters back home to such an extent that their game suffers.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 11:51:01 GMT -6
The first mention of Nick Castellanos this off season was an article referencing a trade deadline inquiry by the Astros posted by Abregmanfan. Of course a search did pick up some late season posts in Olpapas farm reports about Humberto Castellanos. LMAO |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 11:53:05 GMT -6
I think you'll hear just a click on the other end of the line with an offer like that. The Tigers will be targeting 2021 and beyond. So they'll be looking for high-ceiling talent that won't even hit the majors until 2020. Guys whose ML clocks are already running and have any options already burned aren't really all that attractive. White and Kemp might look good to another trade partner but for the Tigers ... not-so-much.
Castellanos is an easy get. The Tigers are motivated to move him now. That way the team who trades for him will get a full season and will be able to throw a QO at him at the end of the year.
Fulmer is a completely different story. Unless there's a Top-100 prospect as the featured player and some other decent pieces in the return, the Tigers will just hold on to him. His trade value is likely to skyrocket at the deadline.
Getting Castellanos by himself is OK. I still think you over-value Fulmer based on what he has done. I know you undervalue him. So we'll agree to disagree. But the fact of the matter is, he's cheap to keep right now. So it's painfully obvious the Tigers will keep him unless the return is based more on his potential and rookie year than the struggles he had last year.
fwiw, I was accused of thinking too highly of Max Scherzer when the Tigers first acquired him. Will Michael get to that level? Who knows? But that is his ceiling.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 12:01:25 GMT -6
Castellanos would be a good get for primarily DH and occasionally LF. Younger than Cruz. What's telling to me is that Luhnow would have probably tried to retain Harper had the trade been completed, which means that he a) will at least inquire about signing him and b) he probably sees Tucker as a trade chip, possibly for someone like TJR.
wearing a Stros uni next season. The new backup catcher bats left if I'm not mistakenTalshill wins the trophy for being the first to suggest this offseason that Castellanos would be a good trade target when he responded to abregmanfan posting the link to the MLBTR article. Bear..., you get a participation trophy for being the first to respond to talshill. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 12:04:15 GMT -6
The first mention of Nick Castellanos this off season was an article referencing a trade deadline inquiry by the Astros posted by Abregmanfan. Of course a search did pick up some late season posts in Olpapas farm reports about Humberto Castellanos. fwiw, the first direct mention I can find of Nick Castellanos as a trade target on this board was by m240 and that was well in advance of last year's trade deadline. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 12:05:09 GMT -6
Getting Castellanos by himself is OK. I still think you over-value Fulmer based on what he has done. I know you undervalue him. So we'll agree to disagree. But the fact of the matter is, he's cheap to keep right now. So it's painfully obvious the Tigers will keep him unless the return is based more on his potential and rookie year than the struggles he had last year.
fwiw, I was accused of thinking too highly of Max Scherzer when the Tigers first acquired him. Will Michael get to that level? Who knows? But that is his ceiling.
We have the Tigers basing what they would accept on what they think Fulmer is capable of doing vs. another team's offer based on what he has already done. lf a deal is made, you have to meet in the middle somewhere/ What he HAS done is why I would not give them either Tucker or Whitley. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 12:07:38 GMT -6
fwiw, the first direct mention I can find of Nick Castellanos as a trade target on this board was by m240 and that was well in advance of last year's trade deadline. I remember Castellanos being mentioned at the deadline and most thought he would be a great addition since we needed offense. In typical Luhnow fashion, he sat on his ass and added no offense and it cost us in the playoffs. The main thing that I don't like about Luhnow is his tendency to wait......and wait.......and wait until the guys we need or either traded to another team or signed by another team. He managed to get Verlander at the last minute......If not for that, the Astros would still have no WS title. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 12:09:42 GMT -6
This article can finally end these manufactured bedroom theories. ![]()  The problem with Crotch and his bedroom theories is he is still trying to get his first piece of ass. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 26, 2019 12:10:18 GMT -6
at any rate .. I don't see Castellanos as a likely trade consideration unless Tucker flops. The front office seems hellbent on giving him a shot
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:14:04 GMT -6
Tropicana Field, they say, is going cashless this season. sports.yahoo.com/tropicana-field-going-cashless-144215987.htmlBasically they are only taking debit cards, credit cards, and a type of gift card that you can buy at the stadium for cash. A lot of us much prefer to use cash -- for convenience, anonymity, lots of reasons. From NBC Sports: "The polices have met with backlash, however, because they freeze out people who don’t have access to bank accounts and/or credit or debit cards, such as low-income and people of color, who are far more typically unbanked of underbanked than others. You can read up on what that means here, but the upshot is that, according to the FDIC, 6.5 percent of households in the United States do not have any affiliation with a bank whatsoever. Some 18.7 percent of U.S. households — around 25 million people — have a checking or savings account but also obtain financial products and services outside of the banking system. Costs and fees and minimum balance requirements and poor credit and all manner of other things that disproportionately impact the poor lead to this. In response, a few cities have passed laws prohibiting cashless businesses." I can sort of understand car dealerships not wanting to accept cash for reasons of preventing fraud, but in my opinion everyone ought to be able to buy a hot dog and coke with U.S. paper currency or coins. Something about "legal tender for all debts public and private" doesn't seem to jive with this policy. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 12:17:05 GMT -6
but they're hiding something!![]() The problem with Crotch and his bedroom theories is he is still trying to get his first piece of ass. The problem with you, punkass Astros fan, is that you are a lying, phony, piece of shit. All you would know about getting a piece of ass you learned from all the times you watch your copy of Brokeback Mountain. I told you what you are on the old board and you keep proving me right. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:18:26 GMT -6
fwiw, the first direct mention I can find of Nick Castellanos as a trade target on this board was by m240 and that was well in advance of last year's trade deadline. We had gotten into a discussion back in May of guys who might make good trade targets to boost the offense. astrosrefugees.proboards.com/post/10306/threadAt the time, the Astros were getting pretty woeful production from about four players (Fisher, Marisnick, Gattis and someone else I can't remember). Anyway it's not like it's a contest to see who can mention every player first. Probably some people were talking about Castellanos on the old forum too. I can't remember. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 12:19:43 GMT -6
The problem with Crotch and his bedroom theories is he is still trying to get his first piece of ass. The problem with you, punkass Astros fan, is that you are a lying, phony, piece of shit. All you would know about getting a piece of ass you learned from all the times you watch your copy of Brokeback Mountain. I told you what you are on the old board and you keep proving me right. Son tell me when you find it!!! |
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Post by marshall on Jan 26, 2019 12:22:42 GMT -6
Word is Realmuto wants to atleast play a year where he is traded before he signs long term doesnt prefer West coast teams. He sounds like he's financially astute. Why play where they take half your income to give out as political favors. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 12:25:30 GMT -6
I know you undervalue him. So we'll agree to disagree. But the fact of the matter is, he's cheap to keep right now. So it's painfully obvious the Tigers will keep him unless the return is based more on his potential and rookie year than the struggles he had last year. fwiw, I was accused of thinking too highly of Max Scherzer when the Tigers first acquired him. Will Michael get to that level? Who knows? But that is his ceiling.
We have the Tigers basing what they would accept on what they think Fulmer is capable of doing vs. another team's offer based on what he has already done. lf a deal is made, you have to meet in the middle somewhere/ What he HAS done is why I would not give them either Tucker or Whitley. A deal doesn't have to be made. The Tigers can easily wait this one out. They might go with a bird-in-the-hand point of view if a lesser Top-100 prospect is included but the offer you suggested doesn't come close. btw, what he HAS done includes a RoY and CYA-10.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:29:24 GMT -6
Has Alex Wilson (non-tendered by the Tigers at the end of November) signed anywhere yet?
He has had a pretty solid RP career and honestly I don't understand why his team let him go (unless they knew of an injury that hasn't been made public).
3.36 ERA and 1.05 WHIP last season over 61.2 IP... which was in line with his career marks.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -6
Tropicana Field, they say, is going cashless this season. sports.yahoo.com/tropicana-field-going-cashless-144215987.htmlBasically they are only taking debit cards, credit cards, and a type of gift card that you can buy at the stadium for cash. A lot of us much prefer to use cash -- for convenience, anonymity, lots of reasons. From NBC Sports: "The polices have met with backlash, however, because they freeze out people who don’t have access to bank accounts and/or credit or debit cards, such as low-income and people of color, who are far more typically unbanked of underbanked than others. You can read up on what that means here, but the upshot is that, according to the FDIC, 6.5 percent of households in the United States do not have any affiliation with a bank whatsoever. Some 18.7 percent of U.S. households — around 25 million people — have a checking or savings account but also obtain financial products and services outside of the banking system. Costs and fees and minimum balance requirements and poor credit and all manner of other things that disproportionately impact the poor lead to this. In response, a few cities have passed laws prohibiting cashless businesses." I can sort of understand car dealerships not wanting to accept cash for reasons of preventing fraud, but in my opinion everyone ought to be able to buy a hot dog and coke with U.S. paper currency or coins. Something about "legal tender for all debts public and private" doesn't seem to jive with this policy. Tropicana going cashless? That could upset the 200 fans that show up for the Rays games. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:33:16 GMT -6
For a team/stadium finding it hard to get money out of fans, the idea of turning up their noses at cold hard cash sounds... dumb to say the least.
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Post by marshall on Jan 26, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -6
Tropicana Field, they say, is going cashless this season. sports.yahoo.com/tropicana-field-going-cashless-144215987.htmlBasically they are only taking debit cards, credit cards, and a type of gift card that you can buy at the stadium for cash. A lot of us much prefer to use cash -- for convenience, anonymity, lots of reasons. From NBC Sports: "The polices have met with backlash, however, because they freeze out people who don’t have access to bank accounts and/or credit or debit cards, such as low-income and people of color, who are far more typically unbanked of underbanked than others. You can read up on what that means here, but the upshot is that, according to the FDIC, 6.5 percent of households in the United States do not have any affiliation with a bank whatsoever. Some 18.7 percent of U.S. households — around 25 million people — have a checking or savings account but also obtain financial products and services outside of the banking system. Costs and fees and minimum balance requirements and poor credit and all manner of other things that disproportionately impact the poor lead to this. In response, a few cities have passed laws prohibiting cashless businesses." I can sort of understand car dealerships not wanting to accept cash for reasons of preventing fraud, but in my opinion everyone ought to be able to buy a hot dog and coke with U.S. paper currency or coins. Something about "legal tender for all debts public and private" doesn't seem to jive with this policy. It's not likely to affect attendance any more than the ticket and concession prices do. Maybe they should consider lowering prices since high prices affect low income families disproportionately. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 12:35:50 GMT -6
Tropicana Field, they say, is going cashless this season. sports.yahoo.com/tropicana-field-going-cashless-144215987.htmlBasically they are only taking debit cards, credit cards, and a type of gift card that you can buy at the stadium for cash. A lot of us much prefer to use cash -- for convenience, anonymity, lots of reasons. From NBC Sports: "The polices have met with backlash, however, because they freeze out people who don’t have access to bank accounts and/or credit or debit cards, such as low-income and people of color, who are far more typically unbanked of underbanked than others. You can read up on what that means here, but the upshot is that, according to the FDIC, 6.5 percent of households in the United States do not have any affiliation with a bank whatsoever. Some 18.7 percent of U.S. households — around 25 million people — have a checking or savings account but also obtain financial products and services outside of the banking system. Costs and fees and minimum balance requirements and poor credit and all manner of other things that disproportionately impact the poor lead to this. In response, a few cities have passed laws prohibiting cashless businesses." I can sort of understand car dealerships not wanting to accept cash for reasons of preventing fraud, but in my opinion everyone ought to be able to buy a hot dog and coke with U.S. paper currency or coins. Something about "legal tender for all debts public and private" doesn't seem to jive with this policy. Given the price of a hot dog and coke at a ballpark, I don't know if coins are really an option. Do they allow wheelbarrows in the stadium?  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:37:26 GMT -6
Maybe it's the effect of Common Core math on the young workforce. Not enough of the cashiers can calculate the correct change on a $6.70 if you hand then a $10 bill. But they can swipe a card.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 12:42:47 GMT -6
Tropicana Field, they say, is going cashless this season. lGiven the price of a hot dog and coke at a ballpark, I don't know if coins are really an option. Do they allow wheelbarrows in the stadium? Well I was mainly envisioning a scenario where the purchase is, say, $8.20 and you happen to have correct change in your pocket ($8 in bills plus 20 cents in coins). But if someone only had quarters... don't see why it should be banned. It wouldn't happen very often. Where I live, hardly anybody has (or desires to have) a credit card. Even the hotels don't ask for a credit card when you check in. After you become accustomed to using cash for everything, it's hard to get used to using cards. And annoying if forced to use them. Hopefully MMP won't follow this example. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 12:49:22 GMT -6
Has Alex Wilson (non-tendered by the Tigers at the end of November) signed anywhere yet? He has had a pretty solid RP career and honestly I don't understand why his team let him go (unless they knew of an injury that hasn't been made public). 3.36 ERA and 1.05 WHIP last season over 61.2 IP... which was in line with his career marks. No he hasn't signed anywhere yet. I think it might have been an issue with a crowded 40 and/or his inconsistency last year. His arb wasn't gonna cost that much. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 12:58:22 GMT -6
Yeah, I was just taking advantage of an opportunity to take a shot at the high price of concessions. You gotta admit, a guy bringing a wheelbarrow full of coins through the gate makes for a humorous mental image, eh? In other news, Comerica Park is going paperless at the gates. www.crainsdetroit.com/sports/tigers-go-paperless-ticketing-games-comerica-parkIf you have a smartphone, no problem. If not, it's gonna be sort of a pain. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 13:00:05 GMT -6
Wilson's stat lines from the past five years are interesting insofar as he has consistently maintained an ERA well below his FIP. Not sure what has allowed him to do that. (2017 was an exception, when his ERA went all the way up to 4.50).
Measures like FIP and xFIP suggest Wilson ought to be earning around a 4.30 ERA, but it appears he's doing something the SABR formulas don't account for.
Whatever it is, this seems like a reliever who should find employment pretty soon. Tony Sipp and Ollie Perez too, but I'd hope the Astros don't get involved with those two.
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