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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 26, 2019 19:27:12 GMT -6
What the heck is this “bring back Marwin” talk? How does that help us? Meanwhile, money that could be spent on pitchers remains unspent.
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 19:28:54 GMT -6
I can't remember the year off hand but was released because of numbers. I can’t remember the year, but I’m pretty sure we traded him for that catcher Kratz. He was out of options and wasn’t going to make the team out of ST. Was it 2016? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 26, 2019 19:31:07 GMT -6
Someone help me to understand how letting go of Morton and bringing back Marwin improves the team.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 26, 2019 19:34:49 GMT -6
Someone help me to understand how letting go of Morton and bringing back Marwin improves the team. No way bringing back Marwin. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 19:40:45 GMT -6
I can't remember the year off hand but was released because of numbers. I can’t remember the year, but I’m pretty sure we traded him for that catcher Kratz. He was out of options and wasn’t going to make the team out of ST. Was it 2016? You nailed it. "On March 28, 2016, the Astros traded Straily to the San Diego Padres for catcher Erik Kratz. On April 1, he was designated for assignment by the Padres and claimed off of waivers by the Cincinnati Reds. He began the 2016 season as a long reliever, but soon entered the Reds' starting rotation. Straily pitched to a 14–8 record and a 3.76 ERA for the Reds in 2016." |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 19:42:41 GMT -6
Someone help me to understand how letting go of Morton and bringing back Marwin improves the team. The Phillies syndrome, bring back the glory years. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 19:45:44 GMT -6
To make a trade it takes two to tango. Don't take the forum clown serious:) |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 19:54:06 GMT -6
I would not be surprised to see us keep both of them. I am now thinking we do get Dallas. Pass on Marwin... That would make the most sense. There's a greater need for SP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 19:58:57 GMT -6
Someone help me to understand how letting go of Morton and bringing back Marwin improves the team. Nobody wants to bring marwin back. Just was brought up because Crane mentioned they still want Marwin and Dallas back. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 20:19:12 GMT -6
I would not be surprised to see us keep both of them. This better not be about Sipp! If they sign Sipp, they have lost their minds. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 20:21:40 GMT -6
To make a trade it takes two to tango. Don't take the forum clown serious:) Don't worry,......only the few that you have fooled take you serious. I pegged you for what you are on the old board and you have never gotten over it.  |
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Post by talshill on Jan 26, 2019 20:41:34 GMT -6
This article is clearly communist propaganda. I have it on good authority that some of the statements made in this article, to whit: Luhnow, who noted, “We’ve tried and we’ll continue to try”are patently false. |
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Post by talshill on Jan 26, 2019 20:49:51 GMT -6
Maybe it's the effect of Common Core math on the young workforce. Not enough of the cashiers can calculate the correct change on a $6.70 if you hand then a $10 bill. But they can swipe a card. Sadly that is a realistic possibility. It's worse than you think. My wife has taught 2nd-6th graders for several years. Some of the papers she brings home would be downright comical if they weren't so tragic. Even worse are parents who don't care enough to work with their children. My wife counseled with a parent whose 4th grader was failing EVERY subject. Not because of a lack of intelligence, but because of a lack of effort. The parent's response? "I guess she doesn't really need to pass, she'll inherit millions". My wife retorted, "Without an education, how long do you think she'll keep it?" |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 26, 2019 20:53:25 GMT -6
This article is clearly communist propaganda. I have it on good authority that some of the statements made in this article, to whit: Luhnow, who noted, “We’ve tried and we’ll continue to try”are patently false. ***** |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 26, 2019 20:57:13 GMT -6
Maybe he will work out something without giving up the farm.
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Post by m240 on Jan 26, 2019 20:59:59 GMT -6
The Astros have 6 in the MLB.com Top 100 prospects. Whitley 7 Tucker 8 Alvarez 44 James 62 Martin 81 Bukauskus 97 this looks about right to me. MLB likes our guys more than the other publications. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 26, 2019 21:01:03 GMT -6
Who do some of you want to be taken off this list in order to get some Sp?
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 26, 2019 21:01:13 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 26, 2019 21:19:20 GMT -6
The Astros have 6 in the MLB.com Top 100 prospects. Whitley 7 Tucker 8 Alvarez 44 James 62 Martin 81 Bukauskus 97 this looks about right to me. MLB likes our guys more than the other publications. Luhnow is the bomb |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 26, 2019 21:19:48 GMT -6
this looks about right to me. MLB likes our guys more than the other publications. Luhnow is the bomb I want a Luhnow Jersey |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 21:23:53 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 26, 2019 21:33:36 GMT -6
I get scared when I look at several mlb franchises. For example the Angels. They have been bad because their farm has been trash. I love a stacked minor league system. I am afraid if we trade too much minor league talent we will pay for it dearly later. Shoot for some low cost starter and call it a night. Let the youngsters grow. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 26, 2019 22:06:01 GMT -6
I actually believe this is where the Astros start to lose if they bring back marwin and Keuchal. WHY? Because instead of evaluating them on talent level the owner is evaluating them on the fact he likes them as friends. As people he likes. And once you do something like that you make stupid contracts happen. If they resign either for more then 2yrs and 15m per you cant certainly say bye bye to Verlander Cole and one of the big four. I'll just bump it again . I believe it's a waste of money and playing time blocking what we have. You would almost certainly have to move Reddick and Diaz would have to go down |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 26, 2019 22:13:43 GMT -6
I actually believe this is where the Astros start to lose if they bring back marwin and Keuchal. WHY? Because instead of evaluating them on talent level the owner is evaluating them on the fact he likes them as friends. As people he likes. And once you do something like that you make stupid contracts happen. If they resign either for more then 2yrs and 15m per you cant certainly say bye bye to Verlander Cole and one of the big four. I'll just bump it again . I believe it's a waste of money and playing time blocking what we have. You would almost certainly have to move Reddick and Diaz would have to go down I thought you wanted Harper and Realmuto? |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 22:35:17 GMT -6
What the heck is this “bring back Marwin” talk? How does that help us? Meanwhile, money that could be spent on pitchers remains unspent. It's nonsense (from some people), sentimentality/nostalgia (from others), and politeness/PR (from still others). The Astros already have two utility infield players in Diaz and White, plus Kemp who covers 2B/CF/LF. All 3 of them are far cheaper than Marwin would be. Diaz and White, especially, hit much better than Marwin does. I haven't seen Diaz play much, but you see White and Kemp hustle on every play, which can't be said of Marwin. So on multiple levels, it just doesn't make sense to bring back Marwin. But I can see how his former employers and teammates will speak highly of him. It's the polite, brotherly thing to do. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 22:45:44 GMT -6
I get scared when I look at several mlb franchises. For example the Angels. They have been bad because their farm has been trash. I love a stacked minor league system. I am afraid if we trade too much minor league talent we will pay for it dearly later. Shoot for some low cost starter and call it a night. Let the youngsters grow. I agree. You need a deep farm system to not only develop young players for your major league team, but, to have some prospects to deal in order to store up a weak position on your roster. We have done a great job of drafting the right young players and have not had to rely primarily on trades and FA signings. We brought up Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bregman, and McCullers. We are in a position where we either have to hope Whitley, James, Peacock, and McHugh can fill out our rotation or we have to make a trade or sign a FA. I didn't want to re-sign Keuchel, but, I am not sure there is a better option at this point. The positive thing about that is we don't have to trade any young talent to get him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 26, 2019 22:48:23 GMT -6
I'll just bump it again . I believe it's a waste of money and playing time blocking what we have. You would almost certainly have to move Reddick and Diaz would have to go down I thought you wanted Harper and Realmuto? He has wanted over half the players on other teams at some point this off-season. He has wanted to dump Reddick and Yuli since the season ended. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 23:00:59 GMT -6
So Verlander says he's open to an extension. If you're Luhnow, do you offer him one before June 30 this year and if so, on what terms (years/money)?
I'd offer him 3/84 with a team buyout of $4 million for the third year. That way he is guaranteed $60 million.
If he wants, he can always sign with the Tigers for a season (or even a day) subsequently so he can retire in a Detroit uniform.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 26, 2019 23:25:45 GMT -6
The Astros have 6 in the MLB.com Top 100 prospects. Whitley 7 Tucker 8 Alvarez 44 James 62 Martin 81 Bukauskus 97 5 teams (17% of the MLB franchises) together have 37 of the Top 100 prospects: Padres (11), Braves (8), Astros (6), Rays (6), White Sox (6). |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jan 26, 2019 23:37:03 GMT -6
So Verlander says he's open to an extension. If you're Luhnow, do you offer him one before June 30 this year and if so, on what terms (years/money)? I'd offer him 3/84 with a team buyout of $4 million for the third year. That way he is guaranteed $60 million. If he wants, he can always sign with the Tigers for a season (or even a day) subsequently so he can retire in a Detroit uniform. Seriously though, JV turns 36 this year. With a guarantee for two years and a team option on the third, you're essentially on the hook for an average of $30 million per year for his 37 y/o and 38 y/o seasons. He seems to be bucking the trend of decline right now but that can change quickly and dramatically. If all goes well, you have a solid, bona fide Ace anchoring your rotation. If it goes South, you have a gummed up payroll situation that cripples your team for a couple of years. As the season goes on, you might find there's only so much toothpaste left in that tube. He'll most probably be worth a QO, but even that isn't 100% certain. I think the Astros fell into just the right guy at just the right time. But the gamble in extending him seems a quite risky. |
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