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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 26, 2019 23:57:40 GMT -6
What the heck is this “bring back Marwin” talk? How does that help us? Meanwhile, money that could be spent on pitchers remains unspent. It's nonsense (from some people), sentimentality/nostalgia (from others), and politeness/PR (from still others). The Astros already have two utility infield players in Diaz and White, plus Kemp who covers 2B/CF/LF. All 3 of them are far cheaper than Marwin would be. Diaz and White, especially, hit much better than Marwin does. I haven't seen Diaz play much, but you see White and Kemp hustle on every play, which can't be said of Marwin. So on multiple levels, it just doesn't make sense to bring back Marwin. But I can see how his former employers and teammates will speak highly of him. It's the polite, brotherly thing to do. If they did resign Marwin, the roster makeup would be interesting. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 27, 2019 0:00:27 GMT -6
To make a trade it takes two to tango. Don't take the forum clown serious:) Don't worry,......only the few that you have fooled take you serious. I pegged you for what you are on the old board and you have never gotten over it.  You are not as dumb as you post, at least you know I was talking about you. Too bad you think you are relevant in your one horse town, but you never were on this board. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 27, 2019 0:07:07 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 27, 2019 1:01:44 GMT -6
Don't worry,......only the few that you have fooled take you serious. I pegged you for what you are on the old board and you have never gotten over it. You are not as dumb as you post, at least you know I was talking about you. Too bad you think you are relevant in your one horse town, but you never were on this board. I remember you being the asshole who wanted me thrown off this board because you don't like me. When you got called out for it and labeled a "punk ass", you tucked your tail between your legs and took your tired, old worn out ass and left on hiatus. If you could tell us why you are relevant on this board, you would. I get along with most people here including some who you have fooled into thinking you are not a fraud. I have a feeling that you are as dumb as you post. You are delusional enough to actually believe all the BS you post.....punk ass. Of course, I knew you were talking about me.......I'm the only one who calls you for being the fraud that you are. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 27, 2019 1:34:56 GMT -6
Well the 'Hot Stove' is pretty much ice cold at this point, so at least there is some good old stuff becoming available on the web to remember some of the old Astros teams.
Here is the Astros-Reds game of May 9, 1981. Pitching matchup: Andujar (Astros) vs. Berenyi (Reds).
Astros lineup:
RF Puhl
SS Reynolds
CF Cedeno
LF Cruz
1B Heep
3B Howe
C Ashby
2B Thon
P Andujar
Very interesting to listen to the pregame, which focused on the labor problems festering in that strike-shortened season.
1981 was one of the few seasons with a pitching performance that rivaled that of the 2018 or the 1980 Astros. We'll never know how the 1981 staff would have held up over 162 games though.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 27, 2019 3:24:43 GMT -6
The commercials were fantastic.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 27, 2019 4:16:57 GMT -6
The commercials were fantastic. In light of the Gillette scandal, Schick could probably grab some extra market share if they re-shoot this old commercial that aired during that 1981 game.  |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jan 27, 2019 4:21:24 GMT -6
Johnny Bench ties Yogi Berra's career HR mark at 2:18:20 in that game
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 7:13:07 GMT -6
Well the 'Hot Stove' is pretty much ice cold at this point, so at least there is some good old stuff becoming available on the web to remember some of the old Astros teams. Here is the Astros-Reds game of May 9, 1981. Pitching matchup: Andujar (Astros) vs. Berenyi (Reds). Astros lineup: RF Puhl SS Reynolds CF Cedeno LF Cruz 1B Heep 3B Howe C Ashby 2B Thon P Andujar Very interesting to listen to the pregame, which focused on the labor problems festering in that strike-shortened season. 1981 was one of the few seasons with a pitching performance that rivaled that of the 2018 or the 1980 Astros. We'll never know how the 1981 staff would have held up over 162 games though. Reds won the most games in the strike-shortened season in 1981, but didn't qualify for the postseason the way they decided the playoffs that year
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 7:49:56 GMT -6
Who do some of you want to be taken off this list in order to get some Sp? |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 8:07:52 GMT -6
What the heck is this “bring back Marwin” talk? How does that help us? Meanwhile, money that could be spent on pitchers remains unspent. It's nonsense (from some people), sentimentality/nostalgia (from others), and politeness/PR (from still others). The Astros already have two utility infield players in Diaz and White, plus Kemp who covers 2B/CF/LF. All 3 of them are far cheaper than Marwin would be. Diaz and White, especially, hit much better than Marwin does. I haven't seen Diaz play much, but you see White and Kemp hustle on every play, which can't be said of Marwin. So on multiple levels, it just doesn't make sense to bring back Marwin. But I can see how his former employers and teammates will speak highly of him. It's the polite, brotherly thing to do. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 27, 2019 8:19:07 GMT -6
this looks about right to me. MLB likes our guys more than the other publications. Luhnow is the bomb He clearly finds the talent in the first part of the draft. He does a pretty good job of trading for other teams guys as well. He stole Alvarez and Martes and then he took the Mets lunch money with the Davis deal as well. James is kind of an outlier but Luhnow gambled and won big apparently there. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 8:20:05 GMT -6
I can’t remember the year, but I’m pretty sure we traded him for that catcher Kratz. He was out of options and wasn’t going to make the team out of ST. Was it 2016? You nailed it. "On March 28, 2016, the Astros traded Straily to the San Diego Padres for catcher Erik Kratz. On April 1, he was designated for assignment by the Padres and claimed off of waivers by the Cincinnati Reds. He began the 2016 season as a long reliever, but soon entered the Reds' starting rotation. Straily pitched to a 14–8 record and a 3.76 ERA for the Reds in 2016." we trade Straily for Kratz so Gattis can re-learn the catcher role in AA Gattis returns subbing for McCann and nails Straily with a liner as union says the circle of life is complete
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 27, 2019 8:20:21 GMT -6
What moves, whether it be free agent signings or trades, are you wanting Luhnow to do before the season starts.
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Post by m240 on Jan 27, 2019 8:25:00 GMT -6
It's nonsense (from some people), sentimentality/nostalgia (from others), and politeness/PR (from still others). The Astros already have two utility infield players in Diaz and White, plus Kemp who covers 2B/CF/LF. All 3 of them are far cheaper than Marwin would be. Diaz and White, especially, hit much better than Marwin does. I haven't seen Diaz play much, but you see White and Kemp hustle on every play, which can't be said of Marwin. So on multiple levels, it just doesn't make sense to bring back Marwin. But I can see how his former employers and teammates will speak highly of him. It's the polite, brotherly thing to do. If they did resign Marwin, the roster makeup would be interesting. Signing Marwin would be a mistake. Getting Keuchel back is a smart move if they do not overpay on annual salaries or term of contract. 3 years and 50 million is about right. If they get him for that and then lock down Verlander for a 2 year 45 million dollar deal with a vesting option for a third then we can turn our heads to keeping 2 more of our positional guys over the next two winters. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jan 27, 2019 8:29:34 GMT -6
If they did resign Marwin, the roster makeup would be interesting. Signing Marwin would be a mistake. Getting Keuchel back is a smart move if they do not overpay on annual salaries or term of contract. 3 years and 50 million is about right. If they get him for that and then lock down Verlander for a 2 year 45 million dollar deal with a vesting option for a third then we can turn our heads to keeping 2 more of our positional guys over the next two winters. Neither is a good idea especially long term and for a lot of money |
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Post by olpapa on Jan 27, 2019 8:31:00 GMT -6
Who do some of you want to be taken off this list in order to get some Sp? I’m still thinking that the best approach this season might be to just roll with what we’ve got for a pitching staff and make a move, if one is necessary, at the trade deadline. We’ve got James, Valdez, Armenteros and Perez who are ML ready now. Whitley, Martin, Bukauskus and Bielak should be ML ready in 2020. That’s the makings of a pretty good staff right there, if we hold onto the kids. Signing Keuchel to a deal of 3 years or less...AAV of no more than $15 million...now and keeping our top pitching prospects wouldn’t be a bad idea either. If JV and Cole walk, we would have Dallas and LMJ as veteran leaders for the young guys in 2020. Wouldn’t offer more than 3 years, preferably 2, to Keuchel. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 27, 2019 8:33:16 GMT -6
What moves, whether it be free agent signings or trades, are you wanting Luhnow to do before the season starts. I would like to see us trade Kemp and Fisher and get some more high ceiling single A guys to bring into our system and start to mold them. Also getting Castellanos is something that I have been wanting us to do for a long time now. Sign Keuchel for the right deal, extend Verlander, and do those other things previously mentioned and then we can sit back, open up a can of beer and watch our favorite team. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 8:50:26 GMT -6
is there a consensus on who the starter should be I’m still thinking that the best approach this season might be to just roll with what we’ve got for a pitching staff and make a move, if one is necessary, at the trade deadline. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 27, 2019 8:55:39 GMT -6
This article is clearly communist propaganda. I have it on good authority that some of the statements made in this article, to whit: Luhnow, who noted, “We’ve tried and we’ll continue to try”are patently false. No. That statement is patently false. He just won't give in to unreasonable demands. That is his job, not just completing trades. He is supposed to complete advantageous trades. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 9:16:47 GMT -6
This article is clearly communist propaganda. I have it on good authority that some of the statements made in this article, to whit: Luhnow, who noted, “We’ve tried and we’ll continue to try”are patently false. No. That statement is patently false. He just won't give in to unreasonable demands. That is his job, not just completing trades. He is supposed to complete advantageous trades. |
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Post by marshall on Jan 27, 2019 9:17:56 GMT -6
Revelation 13:13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.
Now a cashless society will usher in this calamity
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 27, 2019 9:43:20 GMT -6
I wish they enforced uniform codes like they did back in the day. Too many players wear them however they want and some look like pajamas.
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 27, 2019 9:43:35 GMT -6
If anyone can name the improvements Luhnow has made to the starting rotation this winter, please do so. Apparently,there are some who thinks he did a great job in that area so I'm sure there is a list of names.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 27, 2019 10:01:22 GMT -6
Who do some of you want to be taken off this list in order to get some Sp? No sir. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 27, 2019 10:10:51 GMT -6
I thought you wanted Harper and Realmuto? He has wanted over half the players on other teams at some point this off-season. He has wanted to dump Reddick and Yuli since the season ended. If any of his ideas ever come true we will never hear the end of it. But hey, if you throw enough crap on the wall something may eventually stick. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 27, 2019 10:20:42 GMT -6
I find it interesting that Miami might allow San Diego a chance to extend him before they trade for him. If that is the case I would not mind us getting back in.....Don't shoot me guys. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 27, 2019 10:21:40 GMT -6
Nathan is a spirited one, but he’s right about the team needing to keep a revolving door with non-core players. Holding on too long to semi-expensive nonessential players like Yuli and Reddick isn’t a recipe for success. Now, you can’t just GIVE them away, but if something good can be had for them, why hesitate?
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 27, 2019 11:07:59 GMT -6
You nailed it. "On March 28, 2016, the Astros traded Straily to the San Diego Padres for catcher Erik Kratz. On April 1, he was designated for assignment by the Padres and claimed off of waivers by the Cincinnati Reds. He began the 2016 season as a long reliever, but soon entered the Reds' starting rotation. Straily pitched to a 14–8 record and a 3.76 ERA for the Reds in 2016." we trade Straily for Kratz so Gattis can re-learn the catcher role in AA Gattis returns subbing for McCann and nails Straily with a liner as union says the circle of life is complete
I don't know if anyone picked up has picked up Kratz yet, but he is a cat with nine lives. He was catching up here in AAA Scranton when plucked by the Brewers last season. Had a nice run in the playoffs. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jan 27, 2019 11:11:32 GMT -6
If they did resign Marwin, the roster makeup would be interesting. Signing Marwin would be a mistake. Getting Keuchel back is a smart move if they do not overpay on annual salaries or term of contract. 3 years and 50 million is about right. If they get him for that and then lock down Verlander for a 2 year 45 million dollar deal with a vesting option for a third then we can turn our heads to keeping 2 more of our positional guys over the next two winters. I agree with your figures, the loss of Lance has changed the picture, and not being able to grab off the pile of free agents. The roster makeup if Marwin is signed who is the luxury player not making it. |
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