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Post by bearbryant on Nov 16, 2018 20:13:32 GMT -6
It's a good idea cause Greinke at his worst is a #3, and $100M+ in salary to negotiate helps the terms of the club's prospect package. Depending if things are profitable enough for Crane & Co to want to
raise payroll that much
It's a bad idea cause one time I remember Greinke got traded to the Angels and developed anxiety problems. It appears he's over that, but who knows
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 16, 2018 20:17:28 GMT -6
It's a good idea cause Greinke at his worst is a #3, and $100M+ in salary to negotiate helps the terms of the club's prospect package. Depending if things are profitable enough for Crane & Co to want to
raise payroll that much
It's a bad idea cause one time I remember Greinke got traded to the Angels and developed anxiety problems. It appears he's over that, but who knows I thought Greinke had depression issues as well. When the guy was throwing 95-97 mph, it was well worth it. I don’t know if Greinke at 90-92 mph is as good. I’d also prefer not to rent Goldschmidt. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 16, 2018 20:18:04 GMT -6
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 16, 2018 20:22:30 GMT -6
It's a good idea cause Greinke at his worst is a #3, and $100M+ in salary to negotiate helps the terms of the club's prospect package. Depending if things are profitable enough for Crane & Co to want to
raise payroll that much
It's a bad idea cause one time I remember Greinke got traded to the Angels and developed anxiety problems. It appears he's over that, but who knows I thought Greinke had depression issues as well. When the guy was throwing 95-97 mph, it was well worth it. I don’t know if Greinke at 90-92 mph is as good. I’d also prefer not to rent Goldschmidt. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 16, 2018 20:27:14 GMT -6
I don’t know if Greinke at 90-92 mph is as good. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 16, 2018 20:34:44 GMT -6
I don’t know if Greinke at 90-92 mph is as good. Just because I don’t skeet for Keuchel like Todd doesn’t mean I’m against slow pitchers. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 16, 2018 20:44:44 GMT -6
Yes you do son. You skeet for heat and everyone knows it Just because I don’t skeet for Keuchel like Todd doesn’t mean I’m against slow pitchers.
was in their future plans. In all honesty I wouldn't want to pitch here anymore if I was treated that way either |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 16, 2018 21:08:39 GMT -6
So my thought process on Realmuto is as follows.
They want Tucker or Whitley
The offer would be according a couple writers J.B., Martin and Alvarez.
Here's what I think the thought process would be.
First Whitley is not going no where.
Scratch that idea off.
So its Tucker who could bounce back and be the Bad A$$ like he was in the minors.
Or
You throw them 3 prospects that all three could be better then Tucker.
So the dilemma is? I would rather trade Tucker and hope and pray atleast one of those three mentioned above was equal to just below or above Tucker.
Yordan Alvarez may not even be a OFer in the long run he could be a 1B.
But what if Tucker still struggles and never gets the idea of the Bigs?
Value lowers. Again what if he figures it out and Mike Trouts it?
I think it's more along the 1st one the the last one.
So Trade Tucker.
Get your Perennial All Star Catcher.
Have Stassi as his back up. And when Stubbs is ready bye bye Stassi.
I would rather have the premium postion (Catcher) then hope and pray on Stubbs to be a 3rd as good .
That's my two cents.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 16, 2018 22:13:05 GMT -6
Just because I don’t skeet for Keuchel like Todd doesn’t mean I’m against slow pitchers.
was in their future plans. In all honesty I wouldn't want to pitch here anymore if I was treated that way eitherI like Keuchel. I just don’t think he’s worth the supposed market value. Like I’ve said before, I’m not comfortable with how umpire and shift dependent he is in terms of effectiveness. His game is also reliant upon impatient batters swinging at pitches out of the zone. He’s worth a good $15 million a year, but I would not be about making him my ace pitcher. I’m not sure if he’d be my #2. I think he’s an above average #3 SP on a strong staff. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 16, 2018 22:16:04 GMT -6
So my thought process on Realmuto is as follows. They want Tucker or Whitley The offer would be according a couple writers J.B., Martin and Alvarez. Here's what I think the thought process would be. First Whitley is not going no where. Scratch that idea off. So its Tucker who could bounce back and be the Bad A$$ like he was in the minors. Or You throw them 3 prospects that all three could be better then Tucker. So the dilemma is? I would rather trade Tucker and hope and pray atleast one of those three mentioned above was equal to just below or above Tucker. Yordan Alvarez may not even be a OFer in the long run he could be a 1B. But what if Tucker still struggles and never gets the idea of the Bigs? Value lowers. Again what if he figures it out and Mike Trouts it? I think it's more along the 1st one the the last one. So Trade Tucker. Get your Perennial All Star Catcher. Have Stassi as his back up. And when Stubbs is ready bye bye Stassi. I would rather have the premium postion (Catcher) then hope and pray on Stubbs to be a 3rd as good . That's my two cents. If they get rid of Tucker to get Realmuto, they still need a legit LF and still another DH. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 16, 2018 22:37:07 GMT -6
So you sign Brantley or trade for Castellanos or both
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 16, 2018 22:51:56 GMT -6
I bet u money Tony Kemp and Jake Marsanik could get you Nick Castellanos. BOOM theres your DH.
Try and sign Micheal Brantley.
If that fails make another move for Avisail Garcia maybe Tommy Pham or try for FA Andrew Mcutchen or Daniel Murphy.
Theres always a way.
By the way Myles Straw is ready to play in the MLB that's why I'm all for moving Jake from state farm
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 16, 2018 22:56:00 GMT -6
I bet u money Tony Kemp and Jake Marsanik could get you Nick Castellanos. BOOM theres your DH. Try and sign Micheal Brantley. If that fails make another move for Avisail Garcia maybe Tommy Pham or try for FA Andrew Mcutchen or Daniel Murphy. Theres always a way. By the way Myles Straw is ready to play in the MLB that's why I'm all for moving Jake from state farm Tony Sipp is a free agent. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 16, 2018 23:31:36 GMT -6
I like Keuchel as much as Todd even though no one teases me about it. I'm all for the deal he outlined if Keuchel wanted to play here long term. Problem is the club would've extended him long ago if that
was in their future plans. In all honesty I wouldn't want to pitch here anymore if I was treated that way either I like Keuchel. I just don’t think he’s worth the supposed market value. Like I’ve said before, I’m not comfortable with how umpire and shift dependent he is in terms of effectiveness. His game is also reliant upon impatient batters swinging at pitches out of the zone. He’s worth a good $15 million a year, but I would not be about making him my ace pitcher. I’m not sure if he’d be my #2. I think he’s an above average #3 SP on a strong staff. Keuchel is a #3 on a rotation as good as ours. How many teams have rotations that good besides us and Cleveland? What y'all don't seem to get is that I'm not wanting us to bring Keuchel back either. We have other areas to fill that we should spend money on. But just because we shouldn't spend money on him, doesn't mean he isn't worth a fairly big contract to contending teams that need pitching (in which there are several). Contending teams that will look at his elite level soft contact rates, overall durability, and success in the postseason. I know it isn't cool around here to support players that weren't an all-star in 2018, so I probably ought to just give up. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 16, 2018 23:32:17 GMT -6
Tony Sipp??? Where is that?
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Post by Saint on Nov 16, 2018 23:34:08 GMT -6
Ha, that climbing Tal's Hill article was written by my uncle. He recently started writing for them.
I'm curious to see how he'll do since he's from Atlanta and is a massive Braves fan.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 17, 2018 8:25:07 GMT -6
I like Keuchel. I just don’t think he’s worth the supposed market value. Like I’ve said before, I’m not comfortable with how umpire and shift dependent he is in terms of effectiveness. His game is also reliant upon impatient batters swinging at pitches out of the zone. He’s worth a good $15 million a year, but I would not be about making him my ace pitcher. I’m not sure if he’d be my #2. I think he’s an above average #3 SP on a strong staff. I know it isn't cool around here to support players that weren't an all-star in 2018, so I probably ought to just give up. Geez, cry us all a river already. Keuchel is a solid middle of the rotation guy, but just because he has the same beard as in 2015 doesn’t mean he should get paid as such. He’s not the same pitcher, namely because umpires made a concerted effort to shrink his strike zone (I feel bad that happened). No contract extension plus adding Verlander and Cole shows you what the team thought of him. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 17, 2018 9:35:43 GMT -6
I know it isn't cool around here to support players that weren't an all-star in 2018, so I probably ought to just give up. Geez, cry us all a river already. Keuchel is a solid middle of the rotation guy, but just because he has the same beard as in 2015 doesn’t mean he should get paid as such. He’s not the same pitcher, namely because umpires made a concerted effort to shrink his strike zone (I feel bad that happened). No contract extension plus adding Verlander and Cole shows you what the team thought of him. Give it up....he thinks Keuchel is a left-handed Greg Maddux. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 17, 2018 10:27:05 GMT -6
I know it isn't cool around here to support players that weren't an all-star in 2018, so I probably ought to just give up. Geez, cry us all a river already. Keuchel is a solid middle of the rotation guy, but just because he has the same beard as in 2015 doesn’t mean he should get paid as such. He’s not the same pitcher, namely because umpires made a concerted effort to shrink his strike zone (I feel bad that happened). No contract extension plus adding Verlander and Cole shows you what the team thought of him. Hey I'm just calling it like it is, with you especially. You seem to give up on players fast. And not recognize value if they aren't an all-star. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 17, 2018 10:28:03 GMT -6
Geez, cry us all a river already. Keuchel is a solid middle of the rotation guy, but just because he has the same beard as in 2015 doesn’t mean he should get paid as such. He’s not the same pitcher, namely because umpires made a concerted effort to shrink his strike zone (I feel bad that happened). No contract extension plus adding Verlander and Cole shows you what the team thought of him. Give it up....he thinks Keuchel is a left-handed Greg Maddux. You follow Sherwin around like a little puppy, don't you? |
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Post by m240 on Nov 17, 2018 10:40:44 GMT -6
Looks like we acquired Diaz from the Blue Jays for Trent Thornton. Diaz slightly below average defense for a SS but did sport a 753 ops last season. Gotta like this move
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Post by m240 on Nov 17, 2018 10:46:16 GMT -6
Looks like we got a less expensive version of Marwin. Dude had 18 home runs last year
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Post by Saint on Nov 17, 2018 10:46:35 GMT -6
Looks like we acquired Diaz from the Blue Jays for Trent Thornton. Diaz slightly below average defense for a SS but did sport a 753 ops last season. Gotta like this move There is our Marwin replacement. Solid hitter with some defensive versatility (not a great fielder but can help fill-in). |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 17, 2018 10:50:01 GMT -6
Looks like we acquired Diaz from the Blue Jays for Trent Thornton. Diaz slightly below average defense for a SS but did sport a 753 ops last season. Gotta like this move Seems like a pretty good trade for the Astros. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 17, 2018 10:51:35 GMT -6
Looks like we acquired Diaz from the Blue Jays for Trent Thornton. Diaz slightly below average defense for a SS but did sport a 753 ops last season. Gotta like this move Seems like a pretty good trade for the Astros. The blue jays must of liked what they saw in the AFL or perhaps the PCL. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 17, 2018 10:55:40 GMT -6
It is a good thing I am not the one pulling the trigger on deals. I would make Jerry Dipoto look like a do nothing lolligagger.
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 17, 2018 10:57:24 GMT -6
Seems like a pretty good trade for the Astros. The blue jays must of liked what they saw in the AFL or perhaps the PCL. Diaz is controllable through 2022....nice pick up....now lets get a SP, DH and LF. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 17, 2018 11:27:52 GMT -6
The blue jays must of liked what they saw in the AFL or perhaps the PCL. Diaz is controllable through 2022....nice pick up....now lets get a SP, DH and LF. No Catcher? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 17, 2018 11:58:20 GMT -6
Diaz is controllable through 2022....nice pick up....now lets get a SP, DH and LF. No Catcher? and yeah, a C...you still catch? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 17, 2018 12:16:46 GMT -6
This is an excellent trade. Bravo. Insurance on Correra and he has pop.
Perfect. Doesn't put all the load on Yuli if he is going to be the Utility man.
Could we see Yuli as part of a deal some where to move salary?
Maybe a bigger deal like the Grienke Goldshmidt trade idea? Idk
But could get interesting
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