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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 20:45:08 GMT -6
Jeff Lunhow has said he wants Verlander to retire a Astro. The ball is in Verlanders court on money. I hope Justin understands we need to have money to win aswell. Would be awesome if we signed him on a 10m per for how ever long and every year his salary starts over and has incentives Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 6, 2019 20:49:16 GMT -6
I loved Berkman. He was a great ballplayer. If he had stayed healthy he could have fulfilled his hall-of-fame level talent. But he didn't do it long enough, or stay healthy enough. I don't think Edgar belonged in the hall either, but I don't think that was Lance's point. His point was that a guy eventually got in (who doesn't belong there) whose numbers were very similar to a guy who was bounced on the first ballot. He's pointing out a regional bias in the selection process, or ignorance, or just plain stupidity by the selectors. I agree. While never referencing it by name, the recent change from casting as many as 15 votes to 10 has prevented many from receiving the required 5% to remain on the ballot. That is at least part of the problem. |
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Post by marshall on Feb 6, 2019 21:00:29 GMT -6
Jeff Lunhow has said he wants Verlander to retire a Astro. The ball is in Verlanders court on money. I hope Justin understands we need to have money to win aswell. Would be awesome if we signed him on a 10m per for how ever long and every year his salary starts over and has incentives Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. If done correctly, it could offer both what they want. $10M/ year base with bonuses of $5M for 200 innings, $5M for an ERA of under 4 and $5M for being in the top 5 of CY YOUNG voting. If he continues performing as he has, That puts him at $25M and if he falters, the Astros take less of a hit. It's a win-win. I'd also make it automatically renewable as an option from year to year until he decides to retire or the Astros fail to renew at the $10M base level.
You just have to work around the restrictions on certain clauses prohibited by the Master agreement.
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 6, 2019 21:11:07 GMT -6
Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. If done correctly, it could offer both what they want. $10M/ year base with bonuses of $5M for 200 innings, $5M for an ERA of under 4 and $5M for being in the top 5 of CY YOUNG voting. If he continues performing as he has, That puts him at $25M and if he falters, the Astros take less of a hit. It's a win-win. I'd also make it automatically renewable as an option from year to year until he decides to retire or the Astros fail to renew at the $10M base level.
You just have to work around the restrictions on certain clauses prohibited by the Master agreement.
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Post by olpapa on Feb 6, 2019 21:49:42 GMT -6
Jeff Lunhow has said he wants Verlander to retire a Astro. The ball is in Verlanders court on money. I hope Justin understands we need to have money to win aswell. Would be awesome if we signed him on a 10m per for how ever long and every year his salary starts over and has incentives Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. I agree. JV has proven that he can be trusted to put in the work and to compete every time he takes the ball. No need to sign him to a incentive laden contract in order to get the best out of him. If he would take 3 years at $60 million, Luhnow should get it done now. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2019 0:08:03 GMT -6
Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. I agree. JV has proven that he can be trusted to put in the work and to compete every time he takes the ball. No need to sign him to a incentive laden contract in order to get the best out of him. If he would take 3 years at $60 million, Luhnow should get it done now. But does Verlander want another ring? If he does he can help the team. Give alittle back 15m per would be nice to have instead of 20m 25m. Js Help us out Verlander dont breal us |
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Post by marshall on Feb 7, 2019 3:12:44 GMT -6
I agree. JV has proven that he can be trusted to put in the work and to compete every time he takes the ball. No need to sign him to a incentive laden contract in order to get the best out of him. If he would take 3 years at $60 million, Luhnow should get it done now. But does Verlander want another ring? If he does he can help the team. Give alittle back 15m per would be nice to have instead of 20m 25m. Js Help us out Verlander dont breal us It is unrealistic to expect a player to give back money to the team. It's compartmentalized as just business rather than hurting the team.
It would be interesting if we took the socialism out of baseball and actually made movement possible with any agreement between a player and any team willing to pay them. No subsidy of minor league teams and essentially all players become FAs at all times like capitalist businesses. If you want more money, just put out the feelers and look for a new job. If things don't work out , then look for another employer. But don't expect loyalty.
It would be just like any other business. They expect loyalty, but give none unless you're the fair haired executive that get's to write his/her own golden parachute while treating others like dirt and chanting it's just business.
I'd love to see only the restrictions on movement that both a player and the team agree to in advance. While we're at it, no limit on player rosters or salary caps.
On second thought, forget that.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Feb 7, 2019 8:13:17 GMT -6
Saw this as well. Hope it happens! I think 10m a year is low and if Luhnow offered him that, it would be a slap in the face to JV. I’d say offer him 3 years at 60m. If done correctly, it could offer both what they want. $10M/ year base with bonuses of $5M for 200 innings, $5M for an ERA of under 4 and $5M for being in the top 5 of CY YOUNG voting. If he continues performing as he has, That puts him at $25M and if he falters, the Astros take less of a hit. It's a win-win. I'd also make it automatically renewable as an option from year to year until he decides to retire or the Astros fail to renew at the $10M base level. You just have to work around the restrictions on certain clauses prohibited by the Master agreement.
Innings pitched? Yes. CYA voting rank? Yes. ERA below [fill-in-the-blank]? That's a big fat No.
MLB Basic Agreement prohibits it. The only stats allowed for incentive clauses are related to playing time. |
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Post by olpapa on Feb 7, 2019 8:55:19 GMT -6
Looking at the rule changes the owners and MLBPA are considering. I am all for the DH in both leagues....either have it in both or neither, I’m thinking. I’m ok with a 26 player active roster in order to allow a space for a no-glove DH type guy. Lower the mound or move it back? Please! May as well just go ahead and put the ball on a tee and be done with it. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/mlb-union-discussing-significant-rule-changes.html |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2019 9:57:58 GMT -6
Another inside thing I seen.
Tony Kemp isnt going no where but OD roster. They value him alot.
It would take alot to get him.
They like the fact he can play multiple positions
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -6
Amen... If this crap passes, any dibs on who will be the first .400 hitter? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2019 9:59:08 GMT -6
To add in the Arb hearing for Cole they might try and extend him a 2 to 3 yr deal
To see if he would except it.
Same source
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:01:12 GMT -6
To add in the Arb hearing for Cole they might try and extend him a 2 to 3 yr deal To see if he would except it. Same source Offering Cole an extension, with his age, upside, and apparent durability? I'd go 5 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:07:57 GMT -6
To add in the Arb hearing for Cole they might try and extend him a 2 to 3 yr deal To see if he would except it. Same source Offering Cole an extension, with his age, upside, and apparent durability? I'd go 5 years. Make it happen! Extend both Cole and Verlander before going into the season. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2019 10:44:03 GMT -6
Realmuto should be headed to the PhIllies.
Sixto, Alfaro and two others should be headed to the Marlins.
Phillies throwing in the towel on Manny and Bryce. All out on Realmuto. Eliminates them supposedly from that sweep stakes.
Unless someone swoops in this is the destination for Realmuto
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2019 11:16:26 GMT -6
They need to protect Major League Baseball from its commissioner and its rules committees.
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 7, 2019 11:25:25 GMT -6
Looking at the rule changes the owners and MLBPA are considering. I am all for the DH in both leagues....either have it in both or neither, I’m thinking. I’m ok with a 26 player active roster in order to allow a space for a no-glove DH type guy. Lower the mound or move it back? Please! May as well just go ahead and put the ball on a tee and be done with it. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/mlb-union-discussing-significant-rule-changes.html |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 7, 2019 11:31:02 GMT -6
I agree. JV has proven that he can be trusted to put in the work and to compete every time he takes the ball. No need to sign him to a incentive laden contract in order to get the best out of him. If he would take 3 years at $60 million, Luhnow should get it done now. But does Verlander want another ring? If he does he can help the team. Give alittle back 15m per would be nice to have instead of 20m 25m. Js Help us out Verlander dont breal us |
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Post by talshill on Feb 7, 2019 11:51:14 GMT -6
Looking at the rule changes the owners and MLBPA are considering. I am all for the DH in both leagues....either have it in both or neither, I’m thinking. I’m ok with a 26 player active roster in order to allow a space for a no-glove DH type guy. Lower the mound or move it back? Please! May as well just go ahead and put the ball on a tee and be done with it. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/mlb-union-discussing-significant-rule-changes.html Yeah, that's crap. Might as well raise the rim in the NBA while they're at it. |
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Post by talshill on Feb 7, 2019 11:59:52 GMT -6
If done correctly, it could offer both what they want. $10M/ year base with bonuses of $5M for 200 innings, $5M for an ERA of under 4 and $5M for being in the top 5 of CY YOUNG voting. If he continues performing as he has, That puts him at $25M and if he falters, the Astros take less of a hit. It's a win-win. I'd also make it automatically renewable as an option from year to year until he decides to retire or the Astros fail to renew at the $10M base level. You just have to work around the restrictions on certain clauses prohibited by the Master agreement.
Innings pitched? Yes. CYA voting rank? Yes. ERA below [fill-in-the-blank]? That's a big fat No.
MLB Basic Agreement prohibits it. The only stats allowed for incentive clauses are related to playing time. Plus ERA is dependent on several factors out of a pitcher's control. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Feb 7, 2019 12:59:15 GMT -6
Verlander doesn’t owe the Astros any favors. In two months, he pitched like a boss and helped deliver a championship to this city. He doesn’t have to give back any kind of money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:33:24 GMT -6
Verlander doesn’t owe the Astros any favors. In two months, he pitched like a boss and helped deliver a championship to this city. He doesn’t have to give back any kind of money. Agreed. I hate that owe favors talk. Make your money while you can! |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Feb 7, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -6
Finally Realmuto to the Phillies its final. SIXTO SLOT MONEY ALFARO AND A SOUTH AW PITCHER
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -6
Finally Realmuto to the Phillies its final. SIXTO SLOT MONEY ALFARO AND A SOUTH AW PITCHER FINALLY! |
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2019 14:18:11 GMT -6
Glad it wasn't us.
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 7, 2019 14:23:01 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:17:54 GMT -6
Finally Realmuto to the Phillies its final. SIXTO SLOT MONEY ALFARO AND A SOUTH AW PITCHER Finally an end to the Realmuto to the Astros talk. Unless, you think the Phillies will now flip him to the Astros. Lol. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Feb 7, 2019 15:19:42 GMT -6
Finally Realmuto to the Phillies its final. SIXTO SLOT MONEY ALFARO AND A SOUTH AW PITCHER Finally an end to the Realmuto to the Astros talk. Unless, you think the Phillies will now flip him to the Astros. Lol. Don't get VD started....I can't wait for some other to trade for Dietrich. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Feb 7, 2019 15:23:58 GMT -6
The Texas Rangers announce they have signed free agents Matt Davidson and former Astros OF Hunter Pence to minor-league contracts with invitations to big-league camp.
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2019 15:26:07 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see if Hunter can bounce back in Arlington. I'm rooting for him to reach 2000 hits.
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