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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 4:32:29 GMT -6
Wonder what Nick Williams of the Phillies would cost at this very moment?
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 4:42:32 GMT -6
Offensively, the Astros WAR total still lags BOS and NYY. Pitching trails both NYY and CLE.
It's more likely at this point that Luhnow will add to pitching instead of hitting.
McCullers, Martes, Smith are out for most or all of the season and now James is questionable for the early part of the season. Plus McHugh not being able to throw two innings comfortably this week.
There are enough question marks in pitching to justify getting at least 70 more innings of quality work (Smith/Watson). Or even 200 if Luhnow wants to go the route of a Gio Gonzalez.
MLBTR projected Gio to get $24M over two years in free agency. Maybe his price is lower now, I dunno. But even at $12M for 2019, the Astros could pick him up and still have cash left to make more moves later in the season.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 4:46:09 GMT -6
Offensively, the Astros WAR total still lags BOS and NYY. Pitching trails both NYY and CLE. It's more likely at this point that Luhnow will add to pitching instead of hitting. McCullers, Martes, Smith are out for most or all of the season and now James is questionable for the early part of the season. Plus McHugh not being able to throw two innings comfortably this week. There are enough question marks in pitching to justify getting at least 70 more innings of quality work (Smith/Watson). Or even 200 if Luhnow wants to go the route of a Gio Gonzalez. MLBTR projected Gio to get $24M over two years in free agency. Maybe his price is lower now, I dunno. But even at $12M for 2019, the Astros could pick him up and still have cash left to make more moves later in the season. I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 4:49:28 GMT -6
Wonder what Nick Williams of the Phillies would cost at this very moment? Tanielu maybe? Would depend partly on whether Williams has any minor league options left. Williams' value is somewhat depressed due to neg WAR last season, poor defense, and mediocre baserunning. Not sure, but I think Luhnow wants to thin out the Astros OF rather than add to it. If an upgrade at C is available, he might jump on that opportunity. But SP and RP are probably the biggest targets for improvement now. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 5:06:05 GMT -6
If I were managing the Phillies, besides pitching, I'd be trying to upgrade at CF, 2B, and 3B, and maybe adding a bench bat.
Some things they might consider --
Evan Gattis to replace Andrew Knapp as backup/emergency C. Gattis would hit better than Knapp and calls a good game on days when they want to rest Realmuto.
Kemp might interest them for 2B/CF duty. Cesar Hernandez (their normal 2B) has a strained hip flexor to start the season so if they are concerned about his health, having a decent backup like Kemp could make sense.
While most Astros fans would hate to see Kemp go, I don't think HInch wants to carry 13 position players all year so some way or other, he has to clear out one or two position players through trade.
If HOU trades with PHI, Luhnow will probably target a prospect in return because I just don't see the Phils prepared to surrender MLB talent that can help them in their quest for the postseason.
Maybe Kemp could fetch LHP Ranger Suarez or RHP Enyel de los Santos? Both should be ready to contribute at the MLB level this year and looked good in their MLB debuts.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 5:06:51 GMT -6
Yea its just Stroman and Grichuk and Wil Smith. I think thats an add you gotta look at.
That would change alot of things up on this team.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 5:14:15 GMT -6
If I were managing the Phillies, besides pitching, I'd be trying to upgrade at CF, 2B, and 3B, and maybe adding a bench bat. Some things they might consider -- Evan Gattis to replace Andrew Knapp as backup/emergency C. Gattis would hit better than Knapp and calls a good game on days when they want to rest Realmuto. Kemp might interest them for 2B/CF duty. Cesar Hernandez (their normal 2B) has a strained hip flexor to start the season so if they are concerned about his health, having a decent backup like Kemp could make sense. While most Astros fans would hate to see Kemp go, I don't think HInch wants to carry 13 position players all year so some way or other, he has to clear out one or two position players through trade. If HOU trades with PHI, Luhnow will probably target a prospect in return because I just don't see the Phils prepared to surrender MLB talent that can help them in their quest for the postseason. Maybe Kemp could fetch LHP Ranger Suarez or RHP Enyel de los Santos? Both should be ready to contribute at the MLB level this year and looked good in their MLB debuts. Id be interested in Victor Arano. That would be the only Kemp seap i would entertain |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 5:16:50 GMT -6
I mean look at what this tram is doing in ST.
There are guys comming out of the wood works that are gaining value.
I understand i beat the dead horse in the mouth abouy Reddick, Marisnick and Gurriel.
But that 2B that starts with a T???
J.B. is gaining alittle Value.
YORDAN HAS TO BE A KEEPER PERIOD.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 5:31:07 GMT -6
Considering the Astros have a pretty good 2B from Venezuela locked up for several more years, I'd say the young 2B that starts with T is trade bait.
Maybe a few bottom-feeding teams like KCR, MIA, and BAL would consider starting Tanny in MLB games today, but for most trade partners he would become minor league depth. Not sure which teams feel they need near-MLB minor league depth at 2B.
The Blue Jays might like him as a guy who could fight it out with Cavan Biggio for their future 2B spot.
Or the Tigers, whose AAA 2B (Kody Eaves) is pretty dismal. In fact the Tigers have no 2B among their Top 30 prospects. Tigers could let Josh Harrison play out his final season with ~120 starts at 2B and then phase in Tanny late in the season. Unless they add guys or move guys around, the job may be Tanny's to lose for 2020.
Trading Tanny to TOR would help in getting Stroman and/or Grichuk.
Trading Tanny to DET would help in getting Fulmer or Castellanos.
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Post by marshall on Mar 1, 2019 5:31:42 GMT -6
I still think Greinke is a Luhnow style move. Arizona will not be in contention before his contract expires and we could pick it up with three years left making this season dynamic and having a veteran ace to help the kids in 20 and 21. We probably wouldn't get much back in salary relief since Greinke is still piching up to his numbers, but it shouldn't cost us too much in prospects either at that salary. But it takes two to tango. But that's a Luhnow type deal.
Why would Arizona do this? Greinke actually slows down a rebuilding process because he's so good on a poor team that he keeps them near .500 all most by himself. It cost them higher draft picks as well a salary drain at a time they aren't competitive for the playoffs. They are also risking losing value with a single less than spectacular season which would make him less tradeable.
It is SPECULATION on my part and I haven't heard a peep that it's even been considered or suggested by the people that count. But it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 5:37:38 GMT -6
Between Toronto and Detroit, it seems like Toronto would be more desirous of getting Stroman off their hands than Detroit wants to let go of Fulmer.
So Toronto is probably the more plausible trade partner.
Verlander - Cole - Greinke as a playoff rotation would be awesome, especially if the Astros are also bringing a lock-down bullpen.
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 1, 2019 5:44:31 GMT -6
If I were managing the Phillies, besides pitching, I'd be trying to upgrade at CF, 2B, and 3B, and maybe adding a bench bat. Some things they might consider -- Evan Gattis to replace Andrew Knapp as backup/emergency C. Gattis would hit better than Knapp and calls a good game on days when they want to rest Realmuto. Kemp might interest them for 2B/CF duty. Cesar Hernandez (their normal 2B) has a strained hip flexor to start the season so if they are concerned about his health, having a decent backup like Kemp could make sense. While most Astros fans would hate to see Kemp go, I don't think HInch wants to carry 13 position players all year so some way or other, he has to clear out one or two position players through trade. If HOU trades with PHI, Luhnow will probably target a prospect in return because I just don't see the Phils prepared to surrender MLB talent that can help them in their quest for the postseason. Maybe Kemp could fetch LHP Ranger Suarez or RHP Enyel de los Santos? Both should be ready to contribute at the MLB level this year and looked good in their MLB debuts. Id be interested in Victor Arano. That would be the only Kemp seap i would entertain I know seap was a typo, but what is the word it was supposed to be instead? |
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Post by m240 on Mar 1, 2019 7:31:05 GMT -6
I still think Greinke is a Luhnow style move. Arizona will not be in contention before his contract expires and we could pick it up with three years left making this season dynamic and having a veteran ace to help the kids in 20 and 21. We probably wouldn't get much back in salary relief since Greinke is still piching up to his numbers, but it shouldn't cost us too much in prospects either at that salary. But it takes two to tango. But that's a Luhnow type deal.
Why would Arizona do this? Greinke actually slows down a rebuilding process because he's so good on a poor team that he keeps them near .500 all most by himself. It cost them higher draft picks as well a salary drain at a time they aren't competitive for the playoffs. They are also risking losing value with a single less than spectacular season which would make him less tradeable.
It is SPECULATION on my part and I haven't heard a peep that it's even been considered or suggested by the people that count. But it wouldn't surprise me.
I have been an advocate for getting Grienke since the off season started. So if we could trade about 20 million in salary off the roster and get a couple of prospects back we could trade for Grienke and use any salary subsidies to put toward years 2 and 3 of his stay here. That move would solve a lot of problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 7:36:55 GMT -6
Offensively, the Astros WAR total still lags BOS and NYY. Pitching trails both NYY and CLE. It's more likely at this point that Luhnow will add to pitching instead of hitting. McCullers, Martes, Smith are out for most or all of the season and now James is questionable for the early part of the season. Plus McHugh not being able to throw two innings comfortably this week. There are enough question marks in pitching to justify getting at least 70 more innings of quality work (Smith/Watson). Or even 200 if Luhnow wants to go the route of a Gio Gonzalez. MLBTR projected Gio to get $24M over two years in free agency. Maybe his price is lower now, I dunno. But even at $12M for 2019, the Astros could pick him up and still have cash left to make more moves later in the season. I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. No way would I offer that contract to Harper if I were Luhnow. Sure the yearly salary is fair, but why in the world would you want to pay him until he is 40. You think these GM's would learn their lesson after the Pujols' contract. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 1, 2019 7:41:49 GMT -6
I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. No way would I offer that contract to Harper if I were Luhnow. Sure the yearly salary is fair, but why in the world would you want to pay him until he is 40. You think these GM's would learn their lesson after the Pujols' contract. Maybe he will retire around 36. |
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Post by marshall on Mar 1, 2019 7:58:50 GMT -6
No way would I offer that contract to Harper if I were Luhnow. Sure the yearly salary is fair, but why in the world would you want to pay him until he is 40. You think these GM's would learn their lesson after the Pujols' contract. Maybe he will retire around 36. Only if they pay off his contract. There are no gifts in modern baseball. But the contract just pushes back his salary to future years in exchange for a little payroll maneuverability in the short term. I really think they do not expect for him to play out his contract. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 8:16:17 GMT -6
I interpret the new Chron.com article on AJ Reed as a plea from Reed for a chance to pitch in ST.
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Post by m240 on Mar 1, 2019 8:47:44 GMT -6
Reed really needs a chance to do something to get the majors before it too late for him. Too bad he can not control his diet any better, he could of possibly made something of himself.
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Post by m240 on Mar 1, 2019 8:51:01 GMT -6
I really like what we have with the young guns. Whitley seems to be destined to be a star. Bukauskus seems like he has a ton of potential. James and Valdez have already taken a step forward. Martin, Perez, and Armenteros are hanging out there on the fringe but should develop into major league quality pitchers. Just a whole lot to like about what is on it's way.
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 10:06:09 GMT -6
I"m expecting Tony Sipp to move soon (not to HOU though)
he might make sense for Boston.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 10:09:51 GMT -6
I"m expecting Tony Sipp to move soon (not to HOU though) he might make sense for Boston. Sipp to the Mets. Thats my perdiction |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 1, 2019 10:10:39 GMT -6
Offensively, the Astros WAR total still lags BOS and NYY. Pitching trails both NYY and CLE. It's more likely at this point that Luhnow will add to pitching instead of hitting. McCullers, Martes, Smith are out for most or all of the season and now James is questionable for the early part of the season. Plus McHugh not being able to throw two innings comfortably this week. There are enough question marks in pitching to justify getting at least 70 more innings of quality work (Smith/Watson). Or even 200 if Luhnow wants to go the route of a Gio Gonzalez. MLBTR projected Gio to get $24M over two years in free agency. Maybe his price is lower now, I dunno. But even at $12M for 2019, the Astros could pick him up and still have cash left to make more moves later in the season. I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. Harper hit something like .249 last year. A lot of his hype comes from his performance a few years ago. You'd pay him 30mm a year for 13 years for that performance? |
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Post by Saint on Mar 1, 2019 10:20:26 GMT -6
I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. Harper hit something like .249 last year. A lot of his hype comes from his performance a few years ago. You'd pay him 30mm a year for 13 years for that performance? I'd say his defense would be way more of a concern, especially as he ages and he's in the NL (unless they get a DH later in his career). His AVG isn't really that big of a deal when you look at his overall offensive production. The only person we have that was better than him offensively last year using most metrics was Bregman. As inconsistent as he is, he still finds a way to get on base with the best hitters in the game and he has legitimate power. I agree that I wouldn't want him for $330 million provided we use that money to keep some of our other guys. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 1, 2019 10:46:15 GMT -6
Offensively, the Astros WAR total still lags BOS and NYY. Pitching trails both NYY and CLE. It's more likely at this point that Luhnow will add to pitching instead of hitting. McCullers, Martes, Smith are out for most or all of the season and now James is questionable for the early part of the season. Plus McHugh not being able to throw two innings comfortably this week. There are enough question marks in pitching to justify getting at least 70 more innings of quality work (Smith/Watson). Or even 200 if Luhnow wants to go the route of a Gio Gonzalez. MLBTR projected Gio to get $24M over two years in free agency. Maybe his price is lower now, I dunno. But even at $12M for 2019, the Astros could pick him up and still have cash left to make more moves later in the season. I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. That deal is stupid. People act like your play only diminishes at age 40. Look at Pujols. The guy is a check-collecting tortoise right now who can barely play first base. If Harper is supposedly already not going all out on defense, what will he be like six or seven years down the road? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 1, 2019 10:48:11 GMT -6
Harper hit something like .249 last year. A lot of his hype comes from his performance a few years ago. You'd pay him 30mm a year for 13 years for that performance? I'd say his defense would be way more of a concern, especially as he ages and he's in the NL (unless they get a DH later in his career). His AVG isn't really that big of a deal when you look at his overall offensive production. The only person we have that was better than him offensively last year using most metrics was Bregman. As inconsistent as he is, he still finds a way to get on base with the best hitters in the game and he has legitimate power. I agree that I wouldn't want him for $330 million provided we use that money to keep some of our other guys. Harper is a great offensive player, but like you’ve said, the Astros have too many fish to fry when it comes to maintaining their success i.e. paying their players. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Mar 1, 2019 10:57:49 GMT -6
if other teams want to make 13-year commitments to individual players, I wish them well with it. But I wouldn't want to see the Astros take that kind of risk.
With Luhnow's approach to scouting, player development, and financial management, it's hard to see the Astros having a losing season any time between now and 2025. They won't make the playoffs every year, but they won't be bad with the combination of cheap, controllable talent and FA veterans on short-term deals like the team has now.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 1, 2019 11:01:08 GMT -6
I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. Harper hit something like .249 last year. A lot of his hype comes from his performance a few years ago. You'd pay him 30mm a year for 13 years for that performance? he is making 30 this year only the rest is 25m |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 11:08:22 GMT -6
I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. Sorry.....baseball punditry and drug abuse are not a good mixture. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 1, 2019 11:11:26 GMT -6
I'd say his defense would be way more of a concern, especially as he ages and he's in the NL (unless they get a DH later in his career). His AVG isn't really that big of a deal when you look at his overall offensive production. The only person we have that was better than him offensively last year using most metrics was Bregman. As inconsistent as he is, he still finds a way to get on base with the best hitters in the game and he has legitimate power. I agree that I wouldn't want him for $330 million provided we use that money to keep some of our other guys. Harper is a great offensive player, but like you’ve said, the Astros have too many fish to fry when it comes to maintaining their success i.e. paying their players. Yup. I think Springer deserves an extension right now. Something like 5-years $90-100 million. See if he would take that rather than exploring free agency as an almost 30-year old next offseason. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 11:15:01 GMT -6
I get it. I still like the package or Grichuk and Stroman would be a nice dual add. So would Will Smith of the Giants. Those guys if added would help greatly accross the board. But who knows Lunhow is sneaky. I woulda offered the cobtract Harper got if i was the Astros. That was very fair 13yrs for 330m. Yea i would jumped the gun on that. Harper hit something like .249 last year. A lot of his hype comes from his performance a few years ago. You'd pay him 30mm a year for 13 years for that performance? Well stated. I'll go on record that 50 years per now when they are making lists of worst basebal contracts in history..... 1. Bobby Bonilla 2. Albert Pujols 3. Bryce Harper There is a disclaimer in the financial world that basically goes "Past performance is no guarantee of future results". I can see this being a Philly Pholly Pharce in a few years. (i.e Philadelphia version of El Cabusto.). And as far as I am concerned it couldn't have happen to a better conglomeration of ass holes. |
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