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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 7:49:09 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. Our pitching will be fine. We don't need to win the league during the regular season, we just need to win the division. We can work on adding a starter later if it looks like we need it. We have the payroll flexibility and we'll have the prospects to do so.
McHugh has proven to be average at worst, and Miley could turn out to be a steal. Peacock has looked great, as has Verlander and Cole overall. James will get healthy and get some starts, Whitley will be up at some point, and Valdez is a fine spot starter.
The season hasn't even started yet and some fans are already worrying about the sky falling.
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 7:50:52 GMT -6
As for Keuchel, I bet he regrets turning down that 5-year $90 million extension. Boras screwed the pooch there.
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 15, 2019 8:05:31 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. Our pitching will be fine. We don't need to win the league during the regular season, we just need to win the division. We can work on adding a starter later if it looks like we need it. We have the payroll flexibility and we'll have the prospects to do so. McHugh has proven to be average at worst, and Miley could turn out to be a steal. Peacock has looked great, as has Verlander and Cole overall. James will get healthy and get some starts, Whitley will be up at some point, and Valdez is a fine spot starter. The season hasn't even started yet and some fans are already worrying about the sky falling. Would like another bullpen arm or two, since McHugh and Peacock are now in the rotation... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:13:21 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. Our pitching will be fine. We don't need to win the league during the regular season, we just need to win the division. We can work on adding a starter later if it looks like we need it. We have the payroll flexibility and we'll have the prospects to do so. McHugh has proven to be average at worst, and Miley could turn out to be a steal. Peacock has looked great, as has Verlander and Cole overall. James will get healthy and get some starts, Whitley will be up at some point, and Valdez is a fine spot starter. The season hasn't even started yet and some fans are already worrying about the sky falling. Your comments are pretty spot on for most teams. However, when you are among the top 3 or 4 elite teams who really have a shot a ring, there is little or no margin for error. Just one weak link at starting could sink the whole ship. You have a lot of "speculative" verbage around the pitching area there that does not give me warm and fuzzy comfort when it comes down to real life between the lines. Verlander and Cole could easily be our version of "Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain" I know I and doom and gloom this morning, and I know ST doesn't mean jack shit. But McHugh just got lit up by one of the worst offensive teams in baseball, including their prosepcts. That has to be a concern at the midpoint of ST. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 15, 2019 8:24:49 GMT -6
Luhnow has got to get it going on pitching. Verlander, Cole, McHugh, Pressly, and even Miley are upcoming free agents. That’s a lot of talent that could leave, and I doubt he’d want to fill all those spots with prospects and brand new free agents.
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 8:46:27 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. Our pitching will be fine. We don't need to win the league during the regular season, we just need to win the division. We can work on adding a starter later if it looks like we need it. We have the payroll flexibility and we'll have the prospects to do so. McHugh has proven to be average at worst, and Miley could turn out to be a steal. Peacock has looked great, as has Verlander and Cole overall. James will get healthy and get some starts, Whitley will be up at some point, and Valdez is a fine spot starter. The season hasn't even started yet and some fans are already worrying about the sky falling. Your comments are pretty spot on for most teams. However, when you are among the top 3 or 4 elite teams who really have a shot a ring, there is little or no margin for error. Just one weak link at starting could sink the whole ship. You have a lot of "speculative" verbage around the pitching area there that does not give me warm and fuzzy comfort when it comes down to real life between the lines. Verlander and Cole could easily be our version of "Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain" I know I and doom and gloom this morning, and I know ST doesn't mean jack shit. But McHugh just got lit up by one of the worst offensive teams in baseball, including their prosepcts. That has to be a concern at the midpoint of ST. We have enough depth to sustain a couple weak links for a time and then working on a trade. The rotation you start the season with doesn't have to be the rotation you end with. There will be plenty of good pitchers available for trade during the year if we need it. I'd like to see us bring back Keuchel for the right deal, but I also don't think we need to give in and offer stupid money for any non-elite pitcher right now. |
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Post by talshill on Mar 15, 2019 9:52:07 GMT -6
McHugh's career ST ERA is nearly 7. His career regular-season ERA is 3.87, and even lower than that since coming to the Astros. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to to this point.
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 10:15:24 GMT -6
Something I hadn't thought of in a while... How did Eovaldi get a 4-year $68 million deal when he is a historically below-average pitcher with multiple major health issues and has only had one completely full season....and Keuchel is still looking for a job?
Maybe Eovaldi stays healthy and pitches okay to earn that money, but it's still strange. I really think Keuchel needs to re-think his agent.
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 15, 2019 10:47:42 GMT -6
Something I hadn't thought of in a while... How did Eovaldi get a 4-year $68 million deal when he is a historically below-average pitcher with multiple major health issues and has only had one completely full season....and Keuchel is still looking for a job? Maybe Eovaldi stays healthy and pitches okay to earn that money, but it's still strange. I really think Keuchel needs to re-think his agent. It was having a great post-season fantasy run, he did it in the spot light for the world to see. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 15, 2019 10:52:55 GMT -6
Something I hadn't thought of in a while... How did Eovaldi get a 4-year $68 million deal when he is a historically below-average pitcher with multiple major health issues and has only had one completely full season....and Keuchel is still looking for a job? Maybe Eovaldi stays healthy and pitches okay to earn that money, but it's still strange. I really think Keuchel needs to re-think his agent. Because velocity. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:17:00 GMT -6
McHugh's career ST ERA is nearly 7. His career regular-season ERA is 3.87, and even lower than that since coming to the Astros. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to to this point. *Applause* Thank you for pointing this out. Also, McHugh had a slight setback this ST, so I'm sure he is still a little behind in working on getting things ready/right for the season. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 15, 2019 11:40:01 GMT -6
McHugh's career ST ERA is nearly 7. His career regular-season ERA is 3.87, and even lower than that since coming to the Astros. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to to this point. *Applause* Thank you for pointing this out. Also, McHugh had a slight setback this ST, so I'm sure he is still a little behind in working on getting things ready/right for the season. I haven't seen any of his games this season, has his breaking ball been clicking. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:45:18 GMT -6
*Applause* Thank you for pointing this out. Also, McHugh had a slight setback this ST, so I'm sure he is still a little behind in working on getting things ready/right for the season. I haven't seen any of his games this season, has his breaking ball been clicking. Unfortunately I haven't been able to catch any of his games either. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 15, 2019 11:49:52 GMT -6
I haven't seen any of his games this season, has his breaking ball been clicking. Unfortunately I haven't been able to catch any of his games either. The 12-6 is his bread and butter pitch, even though with him coming out of the pen last season, he actually had a pick up on velocity. Also the fact of getting stretched out again. Going back to past history he could be a solid five inning guy again. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:51:53 GMT -6
Unfortunately I haven't been able to catch any of his games either. The 12-6 is his bread and butter pitch, even though with him coming out of the pen last season, he actually had a pick up on velocity. Also the fact of getting stretched out again. Going back to past history he could be a solid five inning guy again. I mean you would like to see more than 5, but that is what we typically got out of Morton and McCullers. I think McHugh should have a fairly good season because he is pitching into his first season as a FA. I'm sure he will be looking to get a decent contract, maybe a 2-3 year deal since he is already in his 30s. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:52:14 GMT -6
McHugh's career ST ERA is nearly 7. His career regular-season ERA is 3.87, and even lower than that since coming to the Astros. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to to this point. Okay fair enough I sure hope we don't have to resurrect this discussion a month from now. |
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Post by talshill on Mar 15, 2019 13:34:52 GMT -6
McHugh's career ST ERA is nearly 7. His career regular-season ERA is 3.87, and even lower than that since coming to the Astros. I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt to to this point. Okay fair enough I sure hope we don't have to resurrect this discussion a month from now. I mean, he might wind up stinking the joint up; I don't know. I DO know that he's looked like crap in every ST he's had, then looked much better when the season started. I hope he remains true to past form. |
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Post by talshill on Mar 15, 2019 13:36:12 GMT -6
Plus, he may just be one of those guys who has to be in real competition before he shines. I was kind of that way myself once upon a time.
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 15, 2019 13:40:48 GMT -6
Which one do you think he should have paid for? You don't want Keuchel, and you've complained about every other player in the history of pitching...so...who? Grienke was available. If you are content with this rotation, don't expect much. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 13:50:29 GMT -6
Fan Graphs are out with their initial '19 projections today. Looks like we are highly touted again. linkWin Division - 88.2% Wild Card. - 6.7% Make Playoffs - 94.9% Win World Series- 18.6% \ |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 15, 2019 14:18:52 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. That is only ever said about poor performance. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 14:40:09 GMT -6
People put way too much stock in ST numbers. That is only ever said about poor performance. People should feel the same way about overblown ST numbers too. A guy hitting .400 in ST doesn't mean a thing. Look at Tucker last year. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 14:41:36 GMT -6
Btw, while I'm saying we shouldn't stress about the rotation at this point, I do want to add that I'm still in favor of us adding another real starter. Not that I think we're desperate for it this year, but because we WILL need it beyond next year and having the extra depth now certainly wouldn't hurt.
But, odds are, Verlander, Cole, McHugh, Miley, and Peacock will be quite good if healthy.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 15, 2019 15:06:14 GMT -6
Harper hit on the foot by a 96 mph heater...going for xrays. Ha...
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Post by Saint on Mar 15, 2019 15:15:01 GMT -6
Harper hit on the foot by a 96 mph heater...going for xrays. Ha... And it was ex-Astro farmhand Thornton that drilled him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -6
Hinch ejected after 1 pitch in today's Spring Training game. Guess he has to get in some work this ST also!
Also good outing for Miley: 4 innings pitched, 4 hits, 2 runs (1 earned), 1 BB & 5 Ks.
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Post by marshall on Mar 15, 2019 17:54:35 GMT -6
Hinch ejected after 1 pitch in today's Spring Training game. Guess he has to get in some work this ST also! Also good outing for Miley: 4 innings pitched, 4 hits, 2 runs (1 earned), 1 BB & 5 Ks. To be fair, it was in the bottom half of the inning after the Cardinal Pitcher got a call strike the "umpire" wouldn't give to Whitley in the top of the 1st. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 15, 2019 17:58:26 GMT -6
Whitley 4 hitless with 4 SO.
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 15, 2019 18:02:59 GMT -6
Whitley 4 hitless with 4 SO.Whitley will be a stud. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Mar 15, 2019 18:03:40 GMT -6
Whitley 4 hitless with 4 SO. Sorry there Kermit. |
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