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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 9:27:46 GMT -6
I find it hard to get excited about Goldschmidt since he would be a rental. If they really want Goldschmidt, then sign him next off season....they will need to keep the top, young talent...bc if and when they make the majors, their low salaries will help offset the salaries of Altuve and Goldschmidt, plus if the Astos can keep Verlander and Cole. They need to financially put JV in a position to choose Astros or retirement. Cole needs to be another top priority. I can’t decide which of them Luhnow should focus on more. I don’t know how much longer the Springer issue can be delayed. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 20, 2018 9:27:48 GMT -6
Apparently Morosi stated on MLB network radio today that Cruz and the Astros are hammering out the details on a deal that they both want to happen. Stay tuned.
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Post by talshill on Nov 20, 2018 9:28:23 GMT -6
Goldschmidt grew up a 'Stros fan and I remember reading a vignette somewhere that he would like to play for Houston. He'd like it even more now that the Astros are contenders. I want him for this upcoming season if the prospect cost isn't prohibitive and, realistically, Luhnow should be able to do it without giving up major pieces since Goldschmidt is in the last year of his contract. Knowing the 'Stros need a SP I'm sure AZ will try to bundle ZG along with him. I'm not opposed to landing both depending on the amount of $ headed Houston's way and the extra pieces required for ZG. I'm very glad I'm not a GM. Unless the dbacks eat a bunch of ZG 's contract, I would not take him. I agree. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 9:29:21 GMT -6
Apparently Morosi stated on MLB network radio today that Cruz and the Astros are hammering out the details on a deal that they both want to happen. Stay tuned. I’m about 50/50 on this. My dislike of Gattis gets me amped about it. His age makes me feel wary. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 9:32:39 GMT -6
Apparently Morosi stated on MLB network radio today that Cruz and the Astros are hammering out the details on a deal that they both want to happen. Stay tuned. I’m about 50/50 on this. My dislike of Gattis gets me amped about it. His age makes me feel wary. As long as they don't get goofy with the contract length it can't be too bad. Even if he declines further it will be better output than Gattis and Beltran gave us the last couple years. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 20, 2018 9:33:01 GMT -6
If they really want Goldschmidt, then sign him next off season....they will need to keep the top, young talent...bc if and when they make the majors, their low salaries will help offset the salaries of Altuve and Goldschmidt, plus if the Astos can keep Verlander and Cole. They need to financially put JV in a position to choose Astros or retirement. Cole needs to be another top priority. I can’t decide which of them Luhnow should focus on more. I don’t know how much longer the Springer issue can be delayed. Springer is on the books next season for $12 million, the last year of his contract. I agree that a long-term deal needs to be struck, but I don't know what Springer is worth. He'll turn 30 next September. |
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Post by talshill on Nov 20, 2018 9:35:05 GMT -6
I’m about 50/50 on this. My dislike of Gattis gets me amped about it. His age makes me feel wary. As long as they don't get goofy with the contract length it can't be too bad. Even if he declines further it will be better output than Gattis and Beltran gave us the last couple years. I'm guessing he'll get 1 year guaranteed at somewhere south of 20 million and a club option for a second year with a buyout. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 9:37:18 GMT -6
As long as they don't get goofy with the contract length it can't be too bad. Even if he declines further it will be better output than Gattis and Beltran gave us the last couple years. I'm guessing he'll get 1 year guaranteed at somewhere south of 20 million and a club option for a second year with a buyout. That would be ideal. I'd even be open to a 2-year with a 3rd year option salary-dependent. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 9:38:26 GMT -6
I’m about 50/50 on this. My dislike of Gattis gets me amped about it. His age makes me feel wary. As long as they don't get goofy with the contract length it can't be too bad. Even if he declines further it will be better output than Gattis and Beltran gave us the last couple years. I think we were all cool with the Beltrán signing, but his offense fell off a cliff in 2017. Hopefully, whatever is cursing our bats at home won’t get to Cruz. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 20, 2018 9:38:56 GMT -6
Here's what I've seen so far.
Yuli Gurriel
2019 10m 2020 8m
Joe Smith
2019 8m
Tyler White 5yrs of control
Tony Kemp 5yrs of control
Prospects Rogelio Armenteros, Freudis Nova, Riley Ferrel and Abraham Toro
To the Diamondbacks for
Paul Goldschmidt
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Zach Grienke
2019 31.5m 2020 32m. 2021 32m
Diamondbacks pay
2019 1.5m 2020 7.5m 2021 14m
A total of 23m of Grienkes contract.
The reasoning behind the stagger is 18m will be added to the Diamondbacks but will drop in 2020 to 8m.
The Diamondbacks till have there 1B and a OF to control for some years.
This again is not my idea
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Post by olpapa on Nov 20, 2018 9:43:25 GMT -6
I'm very surprised Cleveland is ready to tear it down. Just looked at contract info on Indians players. They have a lot of players who will be FA next offseason if the team doesn’t pick up their club option. Encarnation - $20 million club option for 2020 Kipnis - $16.5 million club option for 2020 Kluber - $13.5 for 2020; $14 million for 2021 Carrasco - $9 million for 2019; $9.5 million for 2020 Alonso - $9 million for 2020 Gomes - $9 million for 2020; $11 million for 2021 Hand - $7 million for 2020; $10 million for 2021 Could be that they know they can’t (or won’t) pick up the option on all of these guys so they are going to see what they can get for some of them now rather than holding on to them and getting less (or nothing at all) for them later. As weak as the AL Central is they can probably do a partial tear down and still win the division in 2019 and they know they stand little chance of winning the WS in 2019 regardless of what they do. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 20, 2018 9:44:28 GMT -6
As long as they don't get goofy with the contract length it can't be too bad. Even if he declines further it will be better output than Gattis and Beltran gave us the last couple years. I'm guessing he'll get 1 year guaranteed at somewhere south of 20 million and a club option for a second year with a buyout. He was projected to get two years and 30 million. I am with you though and a 1 year with an option would be best. We just need to get him done. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 20, 2018 9:44:47 GMT -6
He pushed it twice in two different interviews today on MLB network and when Heyman said it it kinda took flight. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 20, 2018 9:54:20 GMT -6
They need to financially put JV in a position to choose Astros or retirement. Cole needs to be another top priority. I can’t decide which of them Luhnow should focus on more. I don’t know how much longer the Springer issue can be delayed. Springer is on the books next season for $12 million, the last year of his contract. I agree that a long-term deal needs to be struck, but I don't know what Springer is worth. He'll turn 30 next September. Springer still has a 4th time through arbitration remaining after his contract runs out at the end of the 2019 season. So even if he doesn’t want to sign another deal with Houston, the team can control him through the end of the 2020 season. I would like to see him get a long-term deal though. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 20, 2018 9:58:03 GMT -6
From mlbtr:
“The deadline for Major League teams to set their 40-man rosters in advance of next month’s Rule 5 Draft is tonight at 8pm ET. As such, baseball fans should expect to see a flurry of activity over the next 11 hours. There will be likely be players designated for assignment, outrighted and claimed off waivers in addition to multiple smaller-scale trades as teams make room on their own 40-man rosters and also pick up fringe 40-man candidates out of other organizations.”
Could be an interesting day.
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 10:09:54 GMT -6
I'm very surprised Cleveland is ready to tear it down. Just looked at contract info on Indians players. They have a lot of players who will be FA next offseason if the team doesn’t pick up their club option. Encarnation - $20 million club option for 2020 Kipnis - $16.5 million club option for 2020 Kluber - $13.5 for 2020; $14 million for 2021 Carrasco - $9 million for 2019; $9.5 million for 2020 Alonso - $9 million for 2020 Gomes - $9 million for 2020; $11 million for 2021 Hand - $7 million for 2020; $10 million for 2021 Could be that they know they can’t (or won’t) pick up the option on all of these guys so they are going to see what they can get for some of them now rather than holding on to them and getting less (or nothing at all) for them later. As weak as the AL Central is they can probably do a partial tear down and still win the division in 2019 and they know they stand little chance of winning the WS in 2019 regardless of what they do. To me, they had another good contending team this year without doing a thing. If they added an OFer and a good reliever, they could be right up there again. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 10:53:37 GMT -6
Apparently Morosi stated on MLB network radio today that Cruz and the Astros are hammering out the details on a deal that they both want to happen. Stay tuned. I hope this works out........Luhnow needs to focus on Verlander, Cole, and Springer on contract extensions. All three are vital to our success. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 20, 2018 11:01:21 GMT -6
Get Cruz signed, trade for Greinke and Goldschmidt, sign Ramos, and get out the trophy polish so that the 17 Trophy looks as good as the 19 one would. There is payroll depth to get this done and prospect depth as well. We would not even have to trade one of our top 4 guys. Somebody wake me up this would be too good to be true.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 20, 2018 11:33:07 GMT -6
Astros on the verge of trade. Stay tuned..
I'm not sure if it's just a small move or what but I think it evolves a rule five guy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 14:07:40 GMT -6
Goldschmidt grew up a 'Stros fan and I remember reading a vignette somewhere that he would like to play for Houston. He'd like it even more now that the Astros are contenders. I want him for this upcoming season if the prospect cost isn't prohibitive and, realistically, Luhnow should be able to do it without giving up major pieces since Goldschmidt is in the last year of his contract. Knowing the 'Stros need a SP I'm sure AZ will try to bundle ZG along with him. I'm not opposed to landing both depending on the amount of $ headed Houston's way and the extra pieces required for ZG. I'm very glad I'm not a GM. Don't mention any home town discounts, or the green guy gets kind of testy.  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 14:20:36 GMT -6
He pushed it twice in two different interviews today on MLB network and when Heyman said it it kinda took flight. Well, they better consider offers because other teams like the Nationals stand to get a whole lot of nothing for Harper. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 14:24:43 GMT -6
Goldschmidt grew up a 'Stros fan and I remember reading a vignette somewhere that he would like to play for Houston. He'd like it even more now that the Astros are contenders. I want him for this upcoming season if the prospect cost isn't prohibitive and, realistically, Luhnow should be able to do it without giving up major pieces since Goldschmidt is in the last year of his contract. Knowing the 'Stros need a SP I'm sure AZ will try to bundle ZG along with him. I'm not opposed to landing both depending on the amount of $ headed Houston's way and the extra pieces required for ZG. I'm very glad I'm not a GM. Don't mention any home town discounts, or the green guy gets kind of testy. Just because "home town discounts" is dumb. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 20, 2018 15:29:46 GMT -6
Don't mention any home town discounts, or the green guy gets kind of testy. Just because "home town discounts" is dumb. You tell dim Pa |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 15:47:22 GMT -6
Bryan Abreu, Rogelio Armenteros and Garrett Stubbs added to the 40 man roster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 17:06:44 GMT -6
Where's this so called trade nathan reported on earlier?  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 20, 2018 17:21:21 GMT -6
Segura and leake to San Diego for Will Myers.
Wow money in that trade is crazy 85m for 45m
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 20, 2018 17:21:58 GMT -6
Where's this so called trade nathan reported on earlier? It's supposed to be minor league for minor league Idk if itll happen. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 20, 2018 17:40:22 GMT -6
Man, MLB network is all over the Paul Goldschmidt hype. Latest is as follows. Josh Donaldson is a top target for the Cardinals. They want him very badly. 3yrs 65m Then Cards might make a very big offer for both Grienke and Goldschmidt. But the biggest hurdle in this case is?  Matt Carpenter and his remaining three years at almost 19m per. They also have Jose Martinez who cant play any base should be a DH. And is most likely to be traded to a AL team. Ok so why would the Cards go get Goldschmidt if they have Carpenter? It doesn't make since unless Arizona takes back Carpenter. Which is unlikly. And with the Astros it's kinda of you either get Paul Goldschmidt or you get both Goldschmidt and Grienke. But the Astros would have to send contracts back to do the later. Joe Smith is one of the hot names there. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 17:52:33 GMT -6
Segura and leake to San Diego for Will Myers. Wow money in that trade is crazy 85m for 45m Good. glad to get Segura out of the AL West.......he hammered some of our pitchers. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 17:54:13 GMT -6
Man, MLB network is all over the Paul Goldschmidt hype. Latest is as follows. Josh Donaldson is a top target for the Cardinals. They want him very badly. 3yrs 65m Then Cards might make a very big offer for both Grienke and Goldschmidt. But the biggest hurdle in this case is? Matt Carpenter and his remaining three years at almost 19m per. They also have Jose Martinez who cant play any base should be a DH. And is most likely to be traded to a AL team. Ok so why would the Cards go get Goldschmidt if they have Carpenter? It doesn't make since unless Arizona takes back Carpenter. Which is unlikly. And with the Astros it's kinda of you either get Paul Goldschmidt or you get both Goldschmidt and Grienke. But the Astros would have to send contracts back to do the later. Joe Smith is one of the hot names there. I won't shed any tears if they trade Joe Smith. |
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