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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 13:40:34 GMT -6
The Aussie guy must have been when I was on sabbatical before joining this board. He sounds like Waastro. I think they’re related. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 13:42:42 GMT -6
He might come and plant it in your garden. Just think if Bozo wins the Presidency it will become a reality. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 14:23:27 GMT -6
Cardinals close to an extension with Goldschmidt. 5 years/$110M at a min
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 21, 2019 14:59:11 GMT -6
Cardinals close to an extension with Goldschmidt. 5 years/$110M at a min
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2019 15:13:49 GMT -6
Pence made the Rangers. He actually had a really good ST even given the semi-uselessness of ST stats. He appears in really good shape and his new and improved swing and baserunning has been excellent. I'd like to see him have a couple more good years. He's in striking distance of 2000 Hits and 250 HR. Only 120 players in the history of the game have achieved those marks, and even less when you throw in 100+ SBs. Pence really hit the Astros organization at the ultimate wrong time. He was really good early on, and think about it...... How much better his stats would have been if he hadn;t been surrounded by deadwood in the lineup early in his career. Completely agree. I believe Pence has been an underappreciated player for much of his career. Until his health issues in 2015, he had this average yearly line: 23 HR 86 RBI 84 Runs 13 SB .284 AVG .809 OPS (119 OPS+) 3.4 WAR Eerily close numbers to Andre Dawson's career average full-season: 24 HR 87 RBI 76 Runs 18 SB .282 AVG .812 OPS (122 OPS+) 4.0 WAR Granted, Dawson did it for longer and won an un-deserved MVP, but still similar. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 15:35:46 GMT -6
Cardinals close to an extension with Goldschmidt. 5 years/$110M at a min
5/$110M for Goldschmidt? Wow, what a bargain. Luhnow.....you missed out on this one. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 21, 2019 15:36:16 GMT -6
Pence really hit the Astros organization at the ultimate wrong time. He was really good early on, and think about it...... How much better his stats would have been if he hadn;t been surrounded by deadwood in the lineup early in his career. Completely agree. I believe Pence has been an underappreciated player for much of his career. Until his health issues in 2015, he had this average yearly line: 23 HR 86 RBI 84 Runs 13 SB .284 AVG .809 OPS (119 OPS+) 3.4 WAR Eerily close numbers to Andre Dawson's career average full-season: 24 HR 87 RBI 76 Runs 18 SB .282 AVG .812 OPS (122 OPS+) 4.0 WAR Granted, Dawson did it for longer and won an un-deserved MVP, but still similar. Racist <------ WBWS - What Bortaz Would Say |
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2019 15:39:06 GMT -6
Cardinals close to an extension with Goldschmidt. 5 years/$110M at a min
5/$110M for Goldschmidt? Wow, what a bargain. Luhnow.....you missed out on this one. You think we needed a $22 million per year 1B with the rest of the position players that we have? |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 15:41:57 GMT -6
Cardinals close to an extension with Goldschmidt. 5 years/$110M at a min
5/$110M for Goldschmidt? Wow, what a bargain. Luhnow.....you missed out on this one. Rosenthal tweeted it's at least that .. likely higher
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2019 16:06:19 GMT -6
5/$110M for Goldschmidt? Wow, what a bargain. Luhnow.....you missed out on this one. Rosenthal tweeted it's at least that .. likely higher
I bet it reaches at least $125 million for 5-years. Maybe even with an option year additionally. |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 16:21:20 GMT -6
Rosenthal tweeted it's at least that .. likely higher
I bet it reaches at least $125 million for 5-years. Maybe even with an option year additionally. I predict 6 yrs/$145M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 16:26:09 GMT -6
I bet it reaches at least $125 million for 5-years. Maybe even with an option year additionally. I predict 6 yrs/$145M
Still a bargain if Harper is a benchmark. (IMO) |
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 21, 2019 16:31:09 GMT -6
Still a bargain if Harper is a benchmark. (IMO) Debatable. It'd be interesting to see what Luhnow offered if we were in on negotiations. If it turns out that all of this winter's trade talks were punctuated by Tucker being untouchable, the kid's gonna have a lot to measure up to |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 21, 2019 16:59:40 GMT -6
No one talking about the steal of a deal the Rays got for the CY winner.
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Post by Saint on Mar 21, 2019 17:04:57 GMT -6
No one talking about the steal of a deal the Rays got for the CY winner. I just don't have much faith in the durability of young pitchers these days. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 21, 2019 17:23:30 GMT -6
Greaat we extended Bregman......now, get off your ass and extend Springer.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 21, 2019 18:24:29 GMT -6
is Corch back on the Injured List (nee Disabled list)? I hope not. Greaat we extended Bregman......now, get off your ass and extend Springer. That answers that. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 18:45:14 GMT -6
No one talking about the steal of a deal the Rays got for the CY winner. I just don't have much faith in the durability of young pitchers these days. Yeah but 5 years at 50 million is a steal even if he is young. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 21, 2019 19:28:02 GMT -6
Blake Snell extended, 5 years at $50/m Absolute bargain. |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 21, 2019 20:33:54 GMT -6
The Aussie guy must have been when I was on sabbatical before joining this board. He sounds like Waastro. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Waastro. Waastro was just stupid...this dude was profoundly stupid, and a whiner. I remember Aclotruveera (the Aussie guy) saying he had been a MLB fan for something like a year or so at the time he joined the old message board. In spite of that he imagined himself some kind of expert on the game and would talk down to others on the board. i wish i could remember the wording of my post when I compared him discovering baseball to the Aboriginal guy finding the coke bottle in the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy. That was one of my better efforts. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 20:36:49 GMT -6
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than Waastro. Waastro was just stupid...this dude was profoundly stupid, and a whiner. I remember Aclotruveera (the Aussie guy) saying he had been a MLB fan for something like a year or so at the time he joined the old message board. In spite of that he imagined himself some kind of expert on the game and would talk down to others on the board. i wish i could remember the wording of my post when I compared him discovering baseball to the Aboriginal guy finding the coke bottle in the movie The Gods Must Be Crazy. That was one of my better efforts. or me trying to explain the pointless game of soccer. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 21, 2019 21:29:02 GMT -6
Just think if Bozo wins the Presidency it will become a reality. You got it the dude that eats dirt. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Mar 21, 2019 21:35:11 GMT -6
Pence made the Rangers. He actually had a really good ST even given the semi-uselessness of ST stats. He appears in really good shape and his new and improved swing and baserunning has been excellent. I'd like to see him have a couple more good years. He's in striking distance of 2000 Hits and 250 HR. Only 120 players in the history of the game have achieved those marks, and even less when you throw in 100+ SBs. Pence really hit the Astros organization at the ultimate wrong time. He was really good early on, and think about it...... How much better his stats would have been if he hadn;t been surrounded by deadwood in the lineup early in his career. A very true statement, what was more puzzling was how the Phillies unloaded Hunter so fast. He was the key ingredient to those Giant WS wins. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 21, 2019 23:19:25 GMT -6
No one talking about the steal of a deal the Rays got for the CY winner. Okay then. Let's talk. My opinion: It's a great deal from Blake Snell's perspective. Why? I can sum it up in two words: Financial Security. From the Ray's perspective, they've assumed some risk. In return they've locked in a reasonable price for a pitcher who might be an ace. The Rays are in a better position to suffer the downside than Blake is, if he didn't have the contract.
By the numbers:Blake has over two years of ML service but not enough to qualify as a Super-2. That means this year, he would have been making minimum wage. Without a contract:2019: minimum wage (1/2 million) 2020: First Arb 2021: Second Arb 2022: Third Arb 2023: Free Agent! How much would he have made without a contract? Hard to say. IF he remains healthy and IF he continues to pitch at a level close to his 2018 performance he would indeed rewarded with some decent salaries. But make no mistake ... salaries for arb player fall far short of what the free agent market will pay. Especially in the first arb. And IF he has a career-ending injury or the wheels fall off and his performance suffers, he wouldn't make squat. Worst case, the Rays would just not tender him a contract this winter and no one else would pick him up. With this contract:2019: $4 million (raise to $1 million plus a $3 million signing bonus) 2020: $7 million 2021: $10.5 million 2022: $12.5 million 2023: $16 million (Can increase up to $2 million based on top 3 Cy Young award finishes) Even with the CYA bonus, the 2023 salary pales compared to what he might be able to earn as a Free Agent. But the key here is that the $50 million is guaranteed. The only way he doesn't get paid is if he does something absolutely stupid and gets himself thrown out of baseball.
In my opinion, Blake Snell was smart to take this deal. YMMV |
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Post by m240 on Mar 22, 2019 6:02:59 GMT -6
No one talking about the steal of a deal the Rays got for the CY winner. Okay then. Let's talk. My opinion: It's a great deal from Blake Snell's perspective. Why? I can sum it up in two words: Financial Security. From the Ray's perspective, they've assumed some risk. In return they've locked in a reasonable price for a pitcher who might be an ace. The Rays are in a better position to suffer the downside than Blake is, if he didn't have the contract.
By the numbers:Blake has over two years of ML service but not enough to qualify as a Super-2. That means this year, he would have been making minimum wage. Without a contract:2019: minimum wage (1/2 million) 2020: First Arb 2021: Second Arb 2022: Third Arb 2023: Free Agent! How much would he have made without a contract? Hard to say. IF he remains healthy and IF he continues to pitch at a level close to his 2018 performance he would indeed rewarded with some decent salaries. But make no mistake ... salaries for arb player fall far short of what the free agent market will pay. Especially in the first arb. And IF he has a career-ending injury or the wheels fall off and his performance suffers, he wouldn't make squat. Worst case, the Rays would just not tender him a contract this winter and no one else would pick him up. With this contract:2019: $4 million (raise to $1 million plus a $3 million signing bonus) 2020: $7 million 2021: $10.5 million 2022: $12.5 million 2023: $16 million (Can increase up to $2 million based on top 3 Cy Young award finishes) Even with the CYA bonus, the 2023 salary pales compared to what he might be able to earn as a Free Agent. But the key here is that the $50 million is guaranteed. The only way he doesn't get paid is if he does something absolutely stupid and gets himself thrown out of baseball.
In my opinion, Blake Snell was smart to take this deal. YMMV There is an old saying "Never walk away from your first chance to make a fortune". 100 million dollars qualifies as a fortune. It is a good deal for both sides imo as he does not have a track record of consistent performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 7:18:18 GMT -6
There is an old saying "Never walk away from your first chance to make a fortune". 1 Dallas Kuechel would a great candidate now to vouch for that diddy. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2019 7:24:36 GMT -6
I just don't have much faith in the durability of young pitchers these days. Yeah but 5 years at 50 million is a steal even if he is young. Provided he stays healthy. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 22, 2019 7:49:32 GMT -6
Yeah but 5 years at 50 million is a steal even if he is young. Provided he stays healthy. Only do that statement for other team's players; never for our own, you would jinx them |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:27:43 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 22, 2019 8:41:22 GMT -6
Yeah but 5 years at 50 million is a steal even if he is young. Provided he stays healthy. So you wouldn't extend any young pitchers? How about old ones? |
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