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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2019 14:03:51 GMT -6
I think the Astros should offer Verlander a 3-year $75-85 million extension right now, and expect to lose Cole. don't "expect" to lose Cole.Work to keep them both I just don't think it's going to be doable. He's rightfully going to be looking for a huge huge deal (better than Corbin this year) and I just don't think we'll keep up with the other teams that will be in on it. The Yankees have really wanted him and will need pitching help soon. They'll see a 1-2 punch of Severino and Cole as a must, I would expect. You're looking at probably at least $60 million a season for both of those guys, and we're already paying Altuve $29 million a year starting next year. That's going on close to a $100 million a season for just three players. edit: And we'll likely be looking at free agent relievers and other starters on top of that. Not to mention maybe a catcher if Stubbs and/or Stassi don't work out. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2019 14:11:26 GMT -6
For the cost of Cole alone next year, you could likely sign the likes of Archer, McHugh, and another proven solid veteran for depth to supplement our young pitchers.
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 22, 2019 14:17:11 GMT -6
don't "expect" to lose Cole.Work to keep them both I just don't think it's going to be doable. He's rightfully going to be looking for a huge huge deal (better than Corbin this year) and I just don't think we'll keep up with the other teams that will be in on it. |
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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2019 14:23:34 GMT -6
I just don't think it's going to be doable. He's rightfully going to be looking for a huge huge deal (better than Corbin this year) and I just don't think we'll keep up with the other teams that will be in on it. I'd be okay with it for someone like Cole. There is going to be risk no matter what you do or don't do. I'd rather take a risk by investing in a proven healthy pitcher than going TOO cheap. That being said, I think it's more reasonable to sign Verlander to a shorter-term deal and then then focus on the young starters and adding a couple cheaper veterans for depth. Given our current situation and good prospect starters: 2-3 year deal for Verlander at a higher AAV > 5-6 year deal for Cole at a similar but slightly less AAV |
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Post by Saint on Mar 22, 2019 14:29:52 GMT -6
Cole said there have been no negotiations with him.
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Post by bearbryant on Mar 22, 2019 14:47:20 GMT -6
When I think of Verlander, I recall the situation when Ryan left the Astros for Texas. He wanted a big contract going into his age 42 year and the Astros balked. He had 2 more no-hitters in him. While Nolan may have been one of a kind, perhaps Verlander can pitch as effectively as Ryan. I wonder if they could do a series of club options with player vesting rights based on Cy votes? There ought to be a way to protect both the player and the club. Reid was there when we lost Nolan in 1988, so being in the front office hopefully they'll get it right this time. JV's a future HOFer and you can't put a price on that if you ask me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 14:49:51 GMT -6
Cole said there have been no negotiations with him. Hopefully it is one those situations where Luhnow needs to work the Verlander issue first before knowing how much wiggle room as far as money there is for Cole. But I do have to agree, $30M annually is about par with top tier ace money now. $60M for two pitchers is Yankee like. & Got to wonder how much Crain want to pony up as far as emptying his wallet. |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 22, 2019 19:31:58 GMT -6
Cole said there have been no negotiations with him. With Boras as his agent, I just don’t see Cole signing an extension. I’m thinking Luhnow should focus his efforts on extending Verlander. |
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Post by olpapa on Mar 22, 2019 19:33:55 GMT -6
This just posted on MLBTR:
“The Astros and ace righty Justin Verlander are “moving toward” an extension, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). While contract details aren’t yet nailed down, Feinsand says the contract under consideration is “believed” to be for two years and something around $66MM in guaranteed money. That would dovetail with the contractual range suggested earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic”
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 22, 2019 19:40:42 GMT -6
Brad Peacock wins the 5th starter spot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 21:08:27 GMT -6
Cole said there have been no negotiations with him. With Boras as his agent, I just don’t see Cole signing an extension. I am so glad he is getting to first hand see how this winnning strategy worked out for his team mate Dallas Keuchel.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 21:10:52 GMT -6
This just posted on MLBTR: “The Astros and ace righty Justin Verlander are “moving toward” an extension, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). While contract details aren’t yet nailed down, Feinsand says the contract under consideration is “believed” to be for two years and something around $66MM in guaranteed money. That would dovetail with the contractual range suggested earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic” It's hard to put a value on two years of JV schooling Whitley and JB. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 22, 2019 22:28:44 GMT -6
This just posted on MLBTR: “The Astros and ace righty Justin Verlander are “moving toward” an extension, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). While contract details aren’t yet nailed down, Feinsand says the contract under consideration is “believed” to be for two years and something around $66MM in guaranteed money. That would dovetail with the contractual range suggested earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic” I love JV but $33 million average? Still got Cole and Springer to deal with afterwards. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 22, 2019 22:44:12 GMT -6
When Greinke trades were all the rage, you guys were all over his nuts willing to pay him $35mm/yr. Now Verlander isn't worth that much?
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 22, 2019 22:45:25 GMT -6
This just posted on MLBTR: “The Astros and ace righty Justin Verlander are “moving toward” an extension, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). While contract details aren’t yet nailed down, Feinsand says the contract under consideration is “believed” to be for two years and something around $66MM in guaranteed money. That would dovetail with the contractual range suggested earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic” I love JV but $33 million average? Still got Cole and Springer to deal with afterwards. Been saying it for a minute. Springer could be gone if they go with Cole. But he shouldn't with Yuli and Reddick comming off the books in two years along qith Brantley |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 22, 2019 22:46:04 GMT -6
When Greinke trades were all the rage, you guys were all over his nuts willing to pay him $35mm/yr. Now Verlander isn't worth that much? I never said that. I said his age scares me and qould rather resign Cole |
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Post by blcoach8 on Mar 22, 2019 23:11:58 GMT -6
When Greinke trades were all the rage, you guys were all over his nuts willing to pay him $35mm/yr. Now Verlander isn't worth that much? I never said that. I said his age scares me and qould rather resign Cole you spewed so much crap that you have forgotten most of it. you have been wanting to let Springer go.........idiot |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Mar 22, 2019 23:41:00 GMT -6
When Greinke trades were all the rage, you guys were all over his nuts willing to pay him $35mm/yr. Now Verlander isn't worth that much? I never said that. I said his age scares me and qould rather resign Cole Annnnnnd, I never said you did. |
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Post by m240 on Mar 23, 2019 6:17:26 GMT -6
This just posted on MLBTR: “The Astros and ace righty Justin Verlander are “moving toward” an extension, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). While contract details aren’t yet nailed down, Feinsand says the contract under consideration is “believed” to be for two years and something around $66MM in guaranteed money. That would dovetail with the contractual range suggested earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic” I love JV but $33 million average? Still got Cole and Springer to deal with afterwards. I have been of the opinion for a long time now that Cole and Springer would not sign an extension. We most likely would want to keep them but I just do not see it happening. Getting Bregman structured the way we did will allow for some flexibility in the later years of his deal, so we may be able to get something done with Correa next spring and by then we should have solid indicators of whether his back will tolerate a full season. After him I really do not see us adding to the core until some of the kids prove themselves up. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 23, 2019 6:59:40 GMT -6
I never said that. I said his age scares me and qould rather resign Cole you spewed so much crap that you have forgotten most of it. you have been wanting to let Springer go.........idiot I have said not to sign him to a rediculas contract like some of you want. Change postions aswell. Jock strap sniffer |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Mar 23, 2019 7:00:57 GMT -6
I love JV but $33 million average? Still got Cole and Springer to deal with afterwards. I have been of the opinion for a long time now that Cole and Springer would not sign an extension. We most likely would want to keep them but I just do not see it happening. Getting Bregman structured the way we did will allow for some flexibility in the later years of his deal, so we may be able to get something done with Correa next spring and by then we should have solid indicators of whether his back will tolerate a full season. After him I really do not see us adding to the core until some of the kids prove themselves up. Whats funny is Correa over there like, what about me?  ?? |
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Post by marshall on Mar 23, 2019 7:01:21 GMT -6
The top 5 starting pitchers each have long term contracts or extensions above $30M/yr. Even though entering his age 37 year in 2020, Verlander has the track record to be paid accordingly second and fifth Cy votes the last 2 years. There is some premium for taking a short term contracts and $3M doesn't sound unreasonable.
I'd personnaly like to get a rolling option at the end of each contract for an additional $33M each year which vests with a top 5 vote in Cy. That way, he can play as long as he is a top performer or the Astros can exercise the option if they think he's out of the top 5 for a reason that is worth the price.
I'm willing to forgo Cole and/or Springer to do this. I suspect that Cole's choice of Agents makes him the last piece of any puzzle looking towards the future.
Boras is great for a few and not for more. He makes enough on the few that he doesn't concern himself with the others (Keuchel, etc.)
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Mar 23, 2019 8:01:55 GMT -6
I have been of the opinion for a long time now that Cole and Springer would not sign an extension. We most likely would want to keep them but I just do not see it happening. Getting Bregman structured the way we did will allow for some flexibility in the later years of his deal, so we may be able to get something done with Correa next spring and by then we should have solid indicators of whether his back will tolerate a full season. After him I really do not see us adding to the core until some of the kids prove themselves up. Whats funny is Correa over there like, what about me? ?? George is under team control for two seasons until he hits FA in 2021. He's making $12 million this year. Carlos is under teams control for three seasons until he hits FA in 2022. He's making $5 million this year. Both of them had down seasons in 2018. Not a strong position to be working from to negotiate a contract. Sure, both of them would be offered contract extensions if their agents pursued it. And they'd both have to leave a ton of money on the table compared to what they might get if they were coming off a strong season, or even just personal career average. If Correa is is over there like, what about me? ?? then his agent should be whispering in his ear to shutup and be patient. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 23, 2019 8:08:49 GMT -6
Whats funny is Correa over there like, what about me? ?? George is under team control for two seasons until he hits FA in 2021. He's making $12 million this year. Carlos is under teams control for three seasons until he hits FA in 2022. He's making $5 million this year. Both of them had down seasons in 2018. Not a strong position to be working from to negotiate a contract. Sure, both of them would be offered contract extensions if their agents pursued it. And they'd both have to leave a ton of money on the table compared to what they might get if they were coming off a strong season, or even just personal career average. If Correa is is over there like, what about me? ?? then his agent should be whispering in his ear to shutup and be patient. Astros will not be able to re-sign Verlander, Cole, Springer and Correa. I think the Astros need to "at least" sign Verlander or Cole...Of course, I would hope for both. In coming years, Reddick and Gurriel will becoming off the books, so hopefully the Astros can re-sign Springer. I am for an OF of Springer, Straw and Tucker: an OF comprised of Speed, Defense, Good OB and some power. With Correa being under team control for 3 more seasons that gives the Astros a lot of time to develop his possible successor, leading candidate right now is Nova. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 9:27:40 GMT -6
George is under team control for two seasons until he hits FA in 2021. He's making $12 million this year. Carlos is under teams control for three seasons until he hits FA in 2022. He's making $5 million this year. Both of them had down seasons in 2018. Not a strong position to be working from to negotiate a contract. Sure, both of them would be offered contract extensions if their agents pursued it. And they'd both have to leave a ton of money on the table compared to what they might get if they were coming off a strong season, or even just personal career average. If Correa is is over there like, what about me? ?? then his agent should be whispering in his ear to shutup and be patient. Astros will not be able to re-sign Verlander, Cole, Springer and Correa. Sterlling example of the "Victim of Your Own Success" concept. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 23, 2019 9:46:53 GMT -6
When Greinke trades were all the rage, you guys were all over his nuts willing to pay him $35mm/yr. Now Verlander isn't worth that much? Wasn’t that with Arizona eating part of the contract and us offering higher prospects in return? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Mar 23, 2019 9:50:07 GMT -6
I love JV but $33 million average? Still got Cole and Springer to deal with afterwards. I have been of the opinion for a long time now that Cole and Springer would not sign an extension. We most likely would want to keep them but I just do not see it happening. Getting Bregman structured the way we did will allow for some flexibility in the later years of his deal, so we may be able to get something done with Correa next spring and by then we should have solid indicators of whether his back will tolerate a full season. After him I really do not see us adding to the core until some of the kids prove themselves up. I’d rather have Springer than Correa. Correa is usually the first to celebrate but the last to contribute. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Mar 23, 2019 9:50:21 GMT -6
Astros will not be able to re-sign Verlander, Cole, Springer and Correa. Sterlling example of the "Victim of Your Own Success" concept. In about 2 to 3 years, if the Astros are for some reason do not have a competitive chance to win the AL, and if Springer or Cole are going to test FA: Do the Astros just let ride out the season and just offer them a QO in the OS, thus to get draft pick compensation, or do they trade them before that year's respective trade deadline? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 10:02:02 GMT -6
Sterlling example of the "Victim of Your Own Success" concept. In about 2 to 3 years, if the Astros are for some reason do not have a competitive chance to win the AL, and if Springer or Cole are going to test FAL: Do the Astros just let ride out the season and just offer them a QO in the OS, thus to get draft pick compensation, or do they trade them before that year's respective trade deadline? That exact statement is probably what keeps Luhnow and Crain up at night. What is so sickening about this exponential increase in salaries, is now every single big signing and extension becomes a high stakes gamble. It is very conceivable we could have (in the future) $200M of base salary, and be a sub .500 team. And with no way out but wait for the contracts to expire. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 10:04:33 GMT -6
I’d rather have Springer than Correa. Correa is usually the first to celebrate but the last to contribute. i.e Switch those Kama Sutra moves to the field bubba.......  |
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