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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 11:14:46 GMT -6
Honestly, I'd rather see bigger money invested in a LFer, DH, and extensions for Springer and Cole. Trade Tucker for a SP (I like the idea of Syndergaard). Go sign a cheaper C like Lucroy and see how Stassi and Stubbs progress. I would keep Tucker, if lives up to his ability, an All-Star, he is cheap and controllable for years... Astros need to re-sign Cole and Verlander, and either sign or trade for Morton 2.0 (next diamond in the rough). I'd only give up Tucker for Perez or an all-star caliber pitcher. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 28, 2018 11:15:37 GMT -6
I would keep Tucker, if lives up to his ability, an All-Star, he is cheap and controllable for years... Astros need to re-sign Cole and Verlander, and either sign or trade for Morton 2.0 (next diamond in the rough). I'd only give up Tucker for Perez or an all-star caliber pitcher. I don’t know if I’d give up Tucker for just Pérez. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 11:34:42 GMT -6
I'd only give up Tucker for Perez or an all-star caliber pitcher. I don’t know if I’d give up Tucker for just Pérez. Really? He's a top tier defensive catcher that has power and AVG, is super well-respected around the league and is good friends with Altuve. He's also pretty affordable for three more years (not just two like Realmuto). |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 28, 2018 11:44:10 GMT -6
I don’t know if I’d give up Tucker for just Pérez. Really? He's a top tier defensive catcher that has power and AVG, is super well-respected around the league and is good friends with Altuve. He's also pretty affordable for three more years (not just two like Realmuto). Yeah, but think about team value. Springer and Reddick are free agents the next two years. I’d be more comfortable with it if Luhnow added a bat or two. You’ve got to sell as high as possible. Dependable is fine but trade Tucker for something elite like Syndergaard. Now, for Merrifield and Pérez, I wouldn’t hesitate. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 28, 2018 11:51:20 GMT -6
I would keep Tucker, if lives up to his ability, an All-Star, he is cheap and controllable for years... Astros need to re-sign Cole and Verlander, and either sign or trade for Morton 2.0 (next diamond in the rough). I'd only give up Tucker for Perez or an all-star caliber pitcher. I wouldn't. Sign Ramos and you don't have to give up your top hitting prospect. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 12:11:32 GMT -6
They need to add a hitter, though. It’s not fun seeing pitchers go out there and dominate only to get ND’s or L’s. Dream scenario is trading for Perez and signing Cruz and McCutchen. You and I think alike on this. I think we can get Perez without losing Tucker. Stassi ..........I suppose........would be an adequate backup for Perez. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 12:14:27 GMT -6
Eovaldi is a free agent........Tucker would have nothing to do with signing him. We would probably have to part with Tucker to get Syndergaard. Frankly, if we sign Eovaldi, I don't think Luhnow trades for Syndergaard. Imagine Eovaldi, Syndergaard, and Morton with Verlander and Cole. My goodness. It’ll never happen but wow. That is my dream rotation and it's possible, but, unlikely. We need to keep in mind that having McHugh in the rotation would not be a disaster. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 12:18:47 GMT -6
I'd only give up Tucker for Perez or an all-star caliber pitcher. I wouldn't. Sign Ramos and you don't have to give up your top hitting prospect. Over the next few years we have more need of money than an OFer prospect, I'm. Save the money you would sign Ramos for extensions and possibly rotation help if the young guys don't progress well. Now, if Perez isn't available for reasonable, then I agree with you. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 12:18:54 GMT -6
If Whitley is ready in 2019, we will have a great rotation. I am not nearly as concerned about our pitching as I am the catching position and the offense. Go get Nelson Cruz NOW. Sign McCuthen to play left-field. Trade for Salvador Perez. Adding Eovaldi, Cruz, and Perez is exactly what we need. If we could add another piece, especially a starting pitcher, we are set.
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 12:19:52 GMT -6
Dream scenario is trading for Perez and signing Cruz and McCutchen. You and I think alike on this. I think we can get Perez without losing Tucker. Stassi ..........I suppose........would be an adequate backup for Perez. I'm fine with them bypassing Stassi for Stubbs as a backup if they got Perez. Stassi would have some trade value anyways. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 28, 2018 12:38:56 GMT -6
With Keuchel, McCann and Gattis all gone, we have to hire a man with a beard. At least 1.
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 12:44:15 GMT -6
With Keuchel, McCann and Gattis all gone, we have to hire a man with a beard. At least 1. McCutchen has grown a beard before. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 12:57:15 GMT -6
I don’t know if I’d give up Tucker for just Pérez. Really? He's a top tier defensive catcher that has power and AVG, is super well-respected around the league and is good friends with Altuve. He's also pretty affordable for three more years (not just two like Realmuto). And was used Earl Campbell esk. Ran into the Ground. No way Rucker goes anywhere near him with those old beat up tires. A package would be far less But a Stassi and couple of parts I would do |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:07:10 GMT -6
Really? He's a top tier defensive catcher that has power and AVG, is super well-respected around the league and is good friends with Altuve. He's also pretty affordable for three more years (not just two like Realmuto). And was used Earl Campbell esk. Ran into the Ground. No way Rucker goes anywhere near him with those old beat up tires. A package would be far less But a Stassi and couple of parts I would do He hit 27 HRs in 129 games and threw out virtually half of basestealers last year. "Beat up tires"? Give me a break. I know you overvalue what our spare parts are worth but let's not get crazy. Perez is still the premier catcher in the AL. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 28, 2018 13:11:51 GMT -6
IS that the Perez we gave away in a trade a few years back?
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:16:54 GMT -6
And was used Earl Campbell esk. Ran into the Ground. No way Rucker goes anywhere near him with those old beat up tires. A package would be far less But a Stassi and couple of parts I would do He hit 27 HRs in 129 games and threw out virtually half of basestealers last year. "Beat up tires"? Give me a break. I know you overvalue what our spare parts are worth but let's not get crazy. Perez is still the premier catcher in the AL. He is not worth tucker |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:22:06 GMT -6
He hit 27 HRs in 129 games and threw out virtually half of basestealers last year. "Beat up tires"? Give me a break. I know you overvalue what our spare parts are worth but let's not get crazy. Perez is still the premier catcher in the AL. He is not worth tucker But you think Kemp and Marisnick will mnet a pitcher like Syndergaard. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 28, 2018 13:22:15 GMT -6
IS that the Perez we gave away in a trade a few years back? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:23:39 GMT -6
Would you guys offer Nathan Eovaldi a 5yr 55 million dollar deal wth encentives and player options on the last two years of the deal
Xp
Yr 1 15m AllStar 500k 180innings 500k WS 500k
Yr 2 15m same as above
Yr 3 8.4m
Yr 4 8.4m
Yr 5 8.4m
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:25:39 GMT -6
IS that the Perez we gave away in a trade a few years back? No, the reigning all-star, GG, and SS winning catcher that Voodoo considers to be "old tires". |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:26:07 GMT -6
But you think Kemp and Marisnick will mnet a pitcher like Syndergaard. Look every mlb analyst suggest the Mets want starters know. No Prospects. Tucker is fringe. A offer of Max Stassi, Tony Kemp, Framber Valdez and you fill in two prospects Could get a deal done depending how they value what they are asking for like they keep saying. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:28:42 GMT -6
Eovaldi is a losing pitcher with below average career numbers and has only had one full healthy season. I don't understand why people are so interested in him.
He had a good season in limited innings in 2018 but he's been, at best, a #4 pitcher for his career.
I'd rather have Happ.
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:29:48 GMT -6
But you think Kemp and Marisnick will mnet a pitcher like Syndergaard. Look every mlb analyst suggest the Mets want starters know. No Prospects. Tucker is fringe. A offer of Max Stassi, Tony Kemp, Framber Valdez and you fill in two prospects Could get a deal done depending how they value what they are asking for like they keep saying. But those guys aren't starters. Those are our bench players with limited years of control at this point. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:43:27 GMT -6
Perez has close to 1000 games under his belt in 8 years that's averaging 125 games a year but the first two years are below 75games.
He has 3yrs left under contract. 36m
Considered a Royal for life.
Let's compare
Molina 1084 at 8yrs
The bat is in favor to Perez.
Game call to Molina
Contract favors Perez
But what's the most important thing to remember when talking about those two?
They are with that team for life.
I'm not saying Perez cant be had. But it would have to be o. A day where the Royals GM is frisky and over pay.
Tucker is way over pay way way way.
But a lowered package along with Astros top Catching Prospect and Current Starter Stassi as headliners might make them budge.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:45:42 GMT -6
Look every mlb analyst suggest the Mets want starters know. No Prospects. Tucker is fringe. A offer of Max Stassi, Tony Kemp, Framber Valdez and you fill in two prospects Could get a deal done depending how they value what they are asking for like they keep saying. But those guys aren't starters. Those are our bench players with limited years of control at this point. Kemp has 5yrs of control along with Framber. STASSI is the only one with limited control. Add in you could say J.D.Davis and let's say Rogelio Armentaros that would be an Interesting offer. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:48:12 GMT -6
Saint I'm not meaning to argue with you I respect what your getting at.
It's just if its Tucker its Snydergaard or Realmuto.
I like Perez and it might be good for Perez to be moved to a Pitching team to really pull some of his greatness out.
It's just I wouldnt pay Tucker. Or Whitley or Baer
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 13:50:38 GMT -6
Eovaldi is a losing pitcher with below average career numbers and has only had one full healthy season. I don't understand why people are so interested in him. He had a good season in limited innings in 2018 but he's been, at best, a #4 pitcher for his career. I'd rather have Happ. I'm intereasted in his FastBall. The contract I talked about is along the lines he does fine the next three years and might have to transfer to the BP. I would have him slated as the 4th guy.and if you get Morton aswell he is 5 |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 28, 2018 13:51:21 GMT -6
I wouldn't. Sign Ramos and you don't have to give up your top hitting prospect. Over the next few years we have more need of money than an OFer prospect, I'm. Save the money you would sign Ramos for extensions and possibly rotation help if the young guys don't progress well. Now, if Perez isn't available for reasonable, then I agree with you. That is why you keep Tucker, he saves you money. Ramos will probably sign a 2 year deal with 3rd year option...that works well for grooming Stubbs |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:51:45 GMT -6
Saint I'm not meaning to argue with you I respect what your getting at. It's just if its Tucker its Snydergaard or Realmuto. I like Perez and it might be good for Perez to be moved to a Pitching team to really pull some of his greatness out. It's just I wouldnt pay Tucker. Or Whitley or Baer I'm just saying that I think Perez is worth Tucker if I'm the Royals, and I think it's worth it to the Astros if they want to have money available for other holes and extensions. I think he is more worth Tucker than two years of Realmuto. Ideally though, Tucker would be for a pitcher and we sign a cheaper catcher. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 28, 2018 13:52:07 GMT -6
But you think Kemp and Marisnick will mnet a pitcher like Syndergaard. Look every mlb analyst suggest the Mets want starters know. No Prospects. Tucker is fringe. A offer of Max Stassi, Tony Kemp, Framber Valdez and you fill in two prospects Could get a deal done depending how they value what they are asking for like they keep saying. In one breath you say they want starters. In the next breath, you suggest sending them non-starters/part timers who may or may not be just AAAA players. |
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