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Post by m240 on Nov 28, 2018 13:52:57 GMT -6
If Whitley is ready in 2019, we will have a great rotation. I am not nearly as concerned about our pitching as I am the catching position and the offense. Go get Nelson Cruz NOW. Sign McCuthen to play left-field. Trade for Salvador Perez. Adding Eovaldi, Cruz, and Perez is exactly what we need. If we could add another piece, especially a starting pitcher, we are set. Whitley can only pitch about 120 innings in 2019. His age and his lack of 2018 innings will reduce his value for the 2019 rotation. Counting on more than one of our prospects to establish themselves in 2019 would be committing professional malpractice. We have to have an established #3. McHugh #4 and either James, Valdez, Whitley or whoever as the #5 and the spot starter. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 28, 2018 13:55:22 GMT -6
what does Tucker is fringe mean?
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 13:56:53 GMT -6
The thing about what we need with pitching is that we need help right now but with an eye past next season.
If we don't get ready-to-go pitching help for next year, we're wasting arguably our best chance at another championship. You can't waste 2019 hoping the young pitchers develop.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 13:59:06 GMT -6
You and I think alike on this. I think we can get Perez without losing Tucker. Stassi ..........I suppose........would be an adequate backup for Perez. I'm fine with them bypassing Stassi for Stubbs as a backup if they got Perez. Stassi would have some trade value anyways. If we get Perez, he could mentor Stubbs. I can see Stassi being used in a trade. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:05:56 GMT -6
what does Tucker is fringe mean? Showed the world in the minors every level Showed zero I the majors |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 14:06:23 GMT -6
The thing about what we need with pitching is that we need help right now but with an eye past next season. If we don't get ready-to-go pitching help for next year, we're wasting arguably our best chance at another championship. You can't waste 2019 hoping the young pitchers develop. That is why we need to sign Eovaldi or trade for another starter like Syndergaard. Eovaldi costs only money. If the Mets have to have starting players for Syndergaard, I don't know who they want that we would deal. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:08:57 GMT -6
The thing about what we need with pitching is that we need help right now but with an eye past next season. If we don't get ready-to-go pitching help for next year, we're wasting arguably our best chance at another championship. You can't waste 2019 hoping the young pitchers develop. That is why we need to sign Eovaldi or trade for another starter like Syndergaard. Eovaldi costs only money. If the Mets have to have starting players for Syndergaard, I don't know who they want that we would deal. Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 14:09:19 GMT -6
what does Tucker is fringe mean? Showed the world in the minors every level Showed zero I the majors If we had used your logic regarding Tucker when evaluating Bregman's worth over the long haul, we would have traded him. I was one of the ones who was impatient with Bregman and he proved me wrong. I don't want to jump the gun and deal Tucker. We would end up regretting it. I would not mind moving Reddick in the right deal. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:09:25 GMT -6
The thing about what we need with pitching is that we need help right now but with an eye past next season. If we don't get ready-to-go pitching help for next year, we're wasting arguably our best chance at another championship. You can't waste 2019 hoping the young pitchers develop. I said this in a previous post Would you rather have Verlander Cole Morton mcHugh James Or Verlander Cole Snydergaard James McHugh Then you can let Verlander walk resign Cole and gain McCullers after he recovers It's really a in and out question. If you trade for Madbum it falls in the same line. Can you resign Verlander Cole and MadBum? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 28, 2018 14:09:36 GMT -6
As I said last month, Eovaldi = fools gold.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:11:08 GMT -6
Showed the world in the minors every level Showed zero I the majors If we had used your logic regarding Tucker when evaluating Bregman's worth over the long haul, we would have traded him. I was one of the ones who was impatient with Bregman and he proved me wrong. I don't want to jump the gun and deal Tucker. We would end up regretting it. I would not mind moving Reddick in the right deal. I hung in there on Bregman thought he was demon fighting because he went to 3rd base and he always says I'm a SS. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 14:11:54 GMT -6
That is why we need to sign Eovaldi or trade for another starter like Syndergaard. Eovaldi costs only money. If the Mets have to have starting players for Syndergaard, I don't know who they want that we would deal. Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. What if that post season was a preview of things to come and we passed at getting him on a reasonable contract? I have to think we have an advantage because he is from Alvin and I think the Ryans could influence him to sign with us. I think we can also sign Goldschmidt when he becomes a free agent because of local ties. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 28, 2018 14:13:21 GMT -6
Eovaldi is a losing pitcher with below average career numbers and has only had one full healthy season. I don't understand why people are so interested in him. He had a good season in limited innings in 2018 but he's been, at best, a #4 pitcher for his career. I'd rather have Happ. He’d be pretty good as a reliever if he fails as a starter. I wasn’t exactly impressed with Osuna. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:14:49 GMT -6
Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. What if that post season was a preview of things to come and we passed at getting him on a reasonable contract? I have to think we have an advantage because he is from Alvin and I think the Ryans could influence him to sign with us. I think we can also sign Goldschmidt when he becomes a free agent because of local ties. I'm leaning on the same thought process that's why I would front load his contract |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 28, 2018 14:15:18 GMT -6
That is why we need to sign Eovaldi or trade for another starter like Syndergaard. Eovaldi costs only money. If the Mets have to have starting players for Syndergaard, I don't know who they want that we would deal. Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. I’m always not completely sold on him, but we need something, especially if McHugh stays in the pen. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:15:34 GMT -6
Would you guys offer Nathan Eovaldi a 5yr 55 million dollar deal wth encentives and player options on the last two years of the deal Xp Yr 1 15m AllStar 500k 180innings 500k WS 500k Yr 2 15m same as above Yr 3 8.4m Yr 4 8.4m Yr 5 8.4m As I said here |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:16:17 GMT -6
Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. What if that post season was a preview of things to come and we passed at getting him on a reasonable contract? I have to think we have an advantage because he is from Alvin and I think the Ryans could influence him to sign with us. I think we can also sign Goldschmidt when he becomes a free agent because of local ties. Define reasonable contract for him. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 28, 2018 14:16:49 GMT -6
Wow, Tim, Todd, and I agreeing on Eovaldi. The sky is falling.
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:17:14 GMT -6
Eovaldi does nothing for me. I think he's being overvalued because of a good postseason. I’m always not completely sold on him, but we need something, especially if McHugh stays in the pen. Trade for proven success over signing someone who hasn't shown they can be something good. We don't have to settle for poor-mediocre FA pitching. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:17:44 GMT -6
Would you guys offer Nathan Eovaldi a 5yr 55 million dollar deal wth encentives and player options on the last two years of the deal Xp Yr 1 15m AllStar 500k 180innings 500k WS 500k Yr 2 15m same as above Yr 3 8.4m Yr 4 8.4m Yr 5 8.4m As I said here $55 million seems insane for what he has shown. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:19:11 GMT -6
He has to make something front load it I dont think he would sign for less.
The projection is 4years 65million spread evenly across the board
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 14:20:46 GMT -6
If Whitley is ready in 2019, we will have a great rotation. I am not nearly as concerned about our pitching as I am the catching position and the offense. Go get Nelson Cruz NOW. Sign McCuthen to play left-field. Trade for Salvador Perez. Adding Eovaldi, Cruz, and Perez is exactly what we need. If we could add another piece, especially a starting pitcher, we are set. Whitley can only pitch about 120 innings in 2019. His age and his lack of 2018 innings will reduce his value for the 2019 rotation. Counting on more than one of our prospects to establish themselves in 2019 would be committing professional malpractice. We have to have an established #3. McHugh #4 and either James, Valdez, Whitley or whoever as the #5 and the spot starter. You bring up a good point. I think putting Whitley in the lead long role/ back up starter (in case 1-5 have injuries) would be a good intro to his MLB career. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:21:14 GMT -6
I'd rather not sign him then. Just because he throws hard doesn't mean he's worth that amount.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 28, 2018 14:23:07 GMT -6
I'd rather not sign him then. Just because he throws hard doesn't mean he's worth that amount. I would gamble and if he doesn't do anything those two first years he becomes the bull pen guy. And he will opt out in the 4th year. But if he comes in and lights out for two years which is basically what your counting on. You won this deal hands down and all the Guaranteed money would be gone off the books. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:29:16 GMT -6
I'd rather not sign him then. Just because he throws hard doesn't mean he's worth that amount. I would gamble and if he doesn't do anything those two first years he becomes the bull pen guy. And he will opt out in the 4th year. But if he comes in and lights out for two years which is basically what your counting on. You won this deal hands down and all the Guaranteed money would be gone off the books. $8.4 Mill per year for a random bullpen guy isn't worth it. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 28, 2018 14:33:59 GMT -6
what does Tucker is fringe mean? Showed the world in the minors every level Showed zero I the majors It has been proven that if you hit the ball harder you will have more success. I will agree that he has not proven that he can hit major league pitching on a regular basis but given the small sample size no one but Bregman hit it harder on the Astros last year than Tucker, so he has not proven that he can not hit it either. Given his status as a top ten prospect calling him fringe is inappropriate. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:36:22 GMT -6
Showed the world in the minors every level Showed zero I the majors It has been proven that if you hit the ball harder you will have more success. I will agree that he has not proven that he can hit major league pitching on a regular basis but given the small sample size no one but Bregman hit it harder on the Astros last year than Tucker, so he has not proven that he can not hit it either. Given his status as a top ten prospect calling him fringe is inappropriate. I think he means fringe as in MLB-ready. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 28, 2018 14:36:38 GMT -6
Whitley can only pitch about 120 innings in 2019. His age and his lack of 2018 innings will reduce his value for the 2019 rotation. Counting on more than one of our prospects to establish themselves in 2019 would be committing professional malpractice. We have to have an established #3. McHugh #4 and either James, Valdez, Whitley or whoever as the #5 and the spot starter. You bring up a good point. I think putting Whitley in the lead long role/ back up starter (in case 1-5 have injuries) would be a good intro to his MLB career. I would agree any time super 2 has passed |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 28, 2018 14:39:20 GMT -6
What if that post season was a preview of things to come and we passed at getting him on a reasonable contract? I have to think we have an advantage because he is from Alvin and I think the Ryans could influence him to sign with us. I think we can also sign Goldschmidt when he becomes a free agent because of local ties. Define reasonable contract for him. Based on the fact that he only made around $1.3 million in 2018 and has not shown he can stay healthy and consistent, I would not offer him more than 3 years at $6-7 million per year. The 5 year,.$55 million that nathan suggested is absurd. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 28, 2018 14:41:25 GMT -6
Define reasonable contract for him. Based on the fact that he only made around $1.3 million in 2018 and has not shown he can stay healthy and consistent, I would not offer him more than 3 years at $6-7 million per year. The 5 year,.$55 million that nathan suggested is absurd. I'd give him a shot for your suggested deal. |
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