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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 29, 2018 0:28:47 GMT -6
I just hope Luhnow doesn't sit around twiddling his thumbs that all the free agents who could help us sign with other teams.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 0:29:43 GMT -6
Alot of people around the league even Heyman and Rosenthal believe the Diamondbacks fans will be dissatisfied with the return for him.
As said before. Cional Perez, Tyler white and another prospect pitcher that deal is done
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2018 0:38:49 GMT -6
Alot of people around the league even Heyman and Rosenthal believe the Diamondbacks fans will be dissatisfied with the return for him. As said before. Cional Perez, Tyler white and another prospect pitcher that deal is done If Pérez, White, and another minor leaguer gets you Goldschmidt, I think you’d have to take that gamble if you’re Jeff Luhnow. That would easily create the best infield of a major league team in decades. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 0:50:51 GMT -6
Alot of people around the league even Heyman and Rosenthal believe the Diamondbacks fans will be dissatisfied with the return for him. As said before. Cional Perez, Tyler white and another prospect pitcher that deal is done If Pérez, White, and another minor leaguer gets you Goldschmidt, I think you’d have to take that gamble if you’re Jeff Luhnow. That would easily create the best infield of a major league team in decades. There suggested price was A.J. Reed Cional Perez and Corbin Martin But they said that Reed might be to low and you would have to up that prospect Tyler White by definition is better then Reed at this point. I personally dont want Corbin Martin gone so I would think you swap Rerd with White you can swap Corbin with some other lower Sp Prospect. And yes I would jump this deal in a heart beat. Then do the J.T. Realmuto deal of Tucker and Framber I think if you get those two Cruz isnt money hungry he wants a ring so he might say F it and sign two years 8m per That way Nathan Evoildi and Morton can be Signed . I would want Micheal Brantley in the OF And Derek Dietrich Sign both Robertson and Kelly and call it an Offseason. You keep asking why I want Dietrich it's the depth thing. I get we have Diaz but we could also have Dietrich and not have to worry about having single postion depth players. This in all would make Yuli expendable and could net us something nice from the Blue Jay's like Stroman. Its food for thought hate it if you want but thinking outside that box it would be a best case scenario. You dont need Grienke. Happ is iffy The other relievers will want to much money. Straw and Kemp OF.. With Dietrich and Diaz covering almost every postion but C |
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Post by marshall on Nov 29, 2018 2:15:10 GMT -6
For what it's worth Jason Stark and Adm Wexler think Paul Goldschmidt will get traded to the Astros. According to there sources there is and has been talks. But that's all they know as of now If that happens, I have to think we know we can re-sign him. I don't think Luhnow gives up much to rent him for a season. Trade value is based on team control and price. Whether and what he might sign for beyond that is a separate deal with a separate value.
That is why a one year deal for Goldschmidt shouldn't cost nearly as much as it would for a 2 year deal for Goldschmidt in players which itself should be less than three years. This assumes he is under control for less than market value or the opposite would be true.
Expected quality/value years is part of the equation.
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Post by marshall on Nov 29, 2018 2:18:27 GMT -6
If Pérez, White, and another minor leaguer gets you Goldschmidt, I think you’d have to take that gamble if you’re Jeff Luhnow. That would easily create the best infield of a major league team in decades. There suggested price was A.J. Reed Cional Perez and Corbin Martin But they said that Reed might be to low and you would have to up that prospect Tyler White by definition is better then Reed at this point. I personally dont want Corbin Martin gone so I would think you swap Rerd with White you can swap Corbin with some other lower Sp Prospect. And yes I would jump this deal in a heart beat. Then do the J.T. Realmuto deal of Tucker and Framber I think if you get those two Cruz isnt money hungry he wants a ring so he might say F it and sign two years 8m per That way Nathan Evoildi and Morton can be Signed . I would want Micheal Brantley in the OF And Derek Dietrich Sign both Robertson and Kelly and call it an Offseason. You keep asking why I want Dietrich it's the depth thing. I get we have Diaz but we could also have Dietrich and not have to worry about having single postion depth players. This in all would make Yuli expendable and could net us something nice from the Blue Jay's like Stroman. Its food for thought hate it if you want but thinking outside that box it would be a best case scenario. You dont need Grienke. Happ is iffy The other relievers will want to much money. Straw and Kemp OF.. With Dietrich and Diaz covering almost every postion but C You seem really intent on getting rid of Tucker. Is he dating your girlfriend or something? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 29, 2018 4:05:24 GMT -6
Alot of people around the league even Heyman and Rosenthal believe the Diamondbacks fans will be dissatisfied with the return for him. As said before. Cional Perez, Tyler white and another prospect pitcher that deal is done If that is what the Astros will offer, they will seriously be outbidded. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 29, 2018 4:27:59 GMT -6
We don't need to trade for a rental 1B...
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 6:49:52 GMT -6
There suggested price was A.J. Reed Cional Perez and Corbin Martin But they said that Reed might be to low and you would have to up that prospect Tyler White by definition is better then Reed at this point. I personally dont want Corbin Martin gone so I would think you swap Rerd with White you can swap Corbin with some other lower Sp Prospect. And yes I would jump this deal in a heart beat. Then do the J.T. Realmuto deal of Tucker and Framber I think if you get those two Cruz isnt money hungry he wants a ring so he might say F it and sign two years 8m per That way Nathan Evoildi and Morton can be Signed . I would want Micheal Brantley in the OF And Derek Dietrich Sign both Robertson and Kelly and call it an Offseason. You keep asking why I want Dietrich it's the depth thing. I get we have Diaz but we could also have Dietrich and not have to worry about having single postion depth players. This in all would make Yuli expendable and could net us something nice from the Blue Jay's like Stroman. Its food for thought hate it if you want but thinking outside that box it would be a best case scenario. You dont need Grienke. Happ is iffy The other relievers will want to much money. Straw and Kemp OF.. With Dietrich and Diaz covering almost every postion but C You seem really intent on getting rid of Tucker. Is he dating your girlfriend or something? No. But I would be ok with trading tucker and him succeeding rather than Yordan, J.B and another prospect in our top five. I'm holding Martin, Whitley, James, Beer and Nova. Maybe the Schroeder kid |
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Post by m240 on Nov 29, 2018 7:47:32 GMT -6
Between Perez and Martin you will get a #3 type starter and a reliever, both with 6 years of control for a 1 year rental on a very good 1st baseman. Arizona has two right handed pitchers in the mlb top 100 prospects and has no one to take over cf with Pollock leaving. So I hate to say this but I think you get the deal done by replacing Reed with Straw and then Goldschmidt is an Astro.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2018 9:12:15 GMT -6
Between Perez and Martin you will get a #3 type starter and a reliever, both with 6 years of control for a 1 year rental on a very good 1st baseman. Arizona has two right handed pitchers in the mlb top 100 prospects and has no one to take over cf with Pollock leaving. So I hate to say this but I think you get the deal done by replacing Reed with Straw and then Goldschmidt is an Astro. That seems like a lot more to give up just by switching out one guy. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2018 9:20:07 GMT -6
The problem with getting Goldschmidt is you have a premium player for just a year. Can you imagine the letdown if after he leaves you have some guy like Grandal for several more seasons?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 29, 2018 9:32:25 GMT -6
Alot of people around the league even Heyman and Rosenthal believe the Diamondbacks fans will be dissatisfied with the return for him. As said before. Cional Perez, Tyler white and another prospect pitcher that deal is done If Pérez, White, and another minor leaguer gets you Goldschmidt, I think you’d have to take that gamble if you’re Jeff Luhnow. That would easily create the best infield of a major league team in decades. If Perez and his mullet, plus a couple of other non-essentials would get the trade done, it'd have been done yesterday. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 29, 2018 9:36:05 GMT -6
Between Perez and Martin you will get a #3 type starter and a reliever, both with 6 years of control for a 1 year rental on a very good 1st baseman. Arizona has two right handed pitchers in the mlb top 100 prospects and has no one to take over cf with Pollock leaving. So I hate to say this but I think you get the deal done by replacing Reed with Straw and then Goldschmidt is an Astro. Jayson Stark tweeted : ”You can add the #Phillies to the list of teams that spoke with the #Diamondbacks about Paul Goldschmidt. A source says the teams discussed a package that would have included Zach Eflin & several young players. But the deal fell apart when the Phillies tried to add Carlos Santana” IMO if the D-Backs we’re ready to deal Goldschmidt to Philly for “Eflin & several young players,” I don’t think it would be necessary to give up Perez (our #5 prospect), Martin (#6) and Straw (#14) to get Goldschmidt. I’m thinking Bukauskus or Armenteros and a couple guys from the group of Fisher, Dawson, Arauz, Adcock, Matijevic, Bailey would get the deal done. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 29, 2018 9:40:32 GMT -6
Between Perez and Martin you will get a #3 type starter and a reliever, both with 6 years of control for a 1 year rental on a very good 1st baseman. Arizona has two right handed pitchers in the mlb top 100 prospects and has no one to take over cf with Pollock leaving. So I hate to say this but I think you get the deal done by replacing Reed with Straw and then Goldschmidt is an Astro. Jayson Stark tweeted : ”You can add the #Phillies to the list of teams that spoke with the #Diamondbacks about Paul Goldschmidt. A source says the teams discussed a package that would have included Zach Eflin & several young players. But the deal fell apart when the Phillies tried to add Carlos Santana” IMO if the D-Backs we’re ready to deal Goldschmidt to Philly for “Eflin & several young players,” I don’t think it would be necessary to give up Perez (our #5 prospect), Martin (#6) and Straw (#14) to get Goldschmidt. I’m thinking Bukauskus or Armenteros and a couple guys from the group of Fisher, Dawson, Arauz, Adcock, Matijevic, Bailey would get the deal done. If Bukauskus, Fisher, and Dawson would get the deal done you have to wonder why they have not pulled the trigger. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 29, 2018 9:43:14 GMT -6
The problem with getting Goldschmidt is you have a premium player for just a year. Can you imagine the letdown if after he leaves you have some guy like Grandal for several more seasons? You know speaking of Grandal why are we not seeing anything about us talking to this guy. I know he comes with a draft pick penalty but that would be a high 60s pick and we will be getting a high 70s pick for Keuchel. Hell do that deal and keep your prospects instead of going for Realmuto. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 9:45:32 GMT -6
The problem with getting Goldschmidt is you have a premium player for just a year. Can you imagine the letdown if after he leaves you have some guy like Grandal for several more seasons? OTOH... (1) Playing near home has advantages for incentives to stay, add fact our state has no income tax. (2) Even signed one year gives us a negotiating advantage for an extension. Even a long one. Having the greatest infield in MLB history gives me reason for excitement. |
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Post by olpapa on Nov 29, 2018 9:51:49 GMT -6
Jayson Stark tweeted : ”You can add the #Phillies to the list of teams that spoke with the #Diamondbacks about Paul Goldschmidt. A source says the teams discussed a package that would have included Zach Eflin & several young players. But the deal fell apart when the Phillies tried to add Carlos Santana” IMO if the D-Backs we’re ready to deal Goldschmidt to Philly for “Eflin & several young players,” I don’t think it would be necessary to give up Perez (our #5 prospect), Martin (#6) and Straw (#14) to get Goldschmidt. I’m thinking Bukauskus or Armenteros and a couple guys from the group of Fisher, Dawson, Arauz, Adcock, Matijevic, Bailey would get the deal done. If Bukauskus, Fisher, and Dawson would get the deal done you have to wonder why they have not pulled the trigger. True enough. It might take Bukauskus plus 2 of the #20-#30 prospects if Fisher is part of the deal. Same would hold true if Reed were in the deal rather than Fisher. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 29, 2018 10:16:12 GMT -6
If Bukauskus, Fisher, and Dawson would get the deal done you have to wonder why they have not pulled the trigger. True enough. It might take Bukauskus plus 2 of the #20-#30 prospects if Fisher is part of the deal. Same would hold true if Reed were in the deal rather than Fisher. I think J.B. is a very important piece of our future. |
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Post by m240 on Nov 29, 2018 10:30:02 GMT -6
True enough. It might take Bukauskus plus 2 of the #20-#30 prospects if Fisher is part of the deal. Same would hold true if Reed were in the deal rather than Fisher. I think J.B. is a very important piece of our future. from what I have heard and read Bukauskus is the first word out of Luhnow's mouth when a trade is discussed. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 29, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -6
I think J.B. is a very important piece of our future. from what I have heard and read Bukauskus is the first word out of Luhnow's mouth when a trade is discussed. Imo you win championships through the farm. I am not a big fan of trading prospects. Yes, I understand they are just "Prospects". |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2018 10:40:37 GMT -6
The problem with getting Goldschmidt is you have a premium player for just a year. Can you imagine the letdown if after he leaves you have some guy like Grandal for several more seasons? OTOH... (1) Playing near home has advantages for incentives to stay, add fact our state has no income tax. (2) Even signed one year gives us a negotiating advantage for an extension. Even a long one. Having the greatest infield in MLB history gives me reason for excitement. I mean that really is a sick infield. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 12:22:11 GMT -6
Mets really motivated to move Thor.
Front runners are Padres, Astros and Braves
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 29, 2018 12:23:09 GMT -6
Mets really motivated to move Thor. Front runners are Padres, Astros and Braves If we get Syndergaard, then lay off Goldschmidt. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 12:25:11 GMT -6
Again its gonna be interesting these next couple days. And once Fans see what they get for these Bad A players its gonna shock alot.
It's done been said Goldschmidt will render nothing near what Arizona Fans are demanding.
Snydergaard who ever is selling him is making a mistake on there return.
Realmuto for Tucker esk type of player and a Pitching Prospect.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 12:26:05 GMT -6
Mets really motivated to move Thor. Front runners are Padres, Astros and Braves If we get Syndergaard, then lay off Goldschmidt. It depends on what goes that way. If ots Cole type of deal then f it ho get Realmuto and Goldschmidt move Yuli |
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Post by Saint on Nov 29, 2018 12:27:41 GMT -6
The better SP options are going to be via trade. So if you go that route, be prepared to sign a Catcher or trade for a much lesser product than Realmuto (like Cervelli).
Then sign Cruz and hope you didn't have to give up Tucker so he can play LF...
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Post by nathangarza29 on Nov 29, 2018 12:29:23 GMT -6
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Post by m240 on Nov 29, 2018 12:34:49 GMT -6
Mets really motivated to move Thor. Front runners are Padres, Astros and Braves If we get Syndergaard, then lay off Goldschmidt. Goldschmidt + Syndergaard = snoopy dance |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 29, 2018 12:37:06 GMT -6
from what I have heard and read Bukauskus is the first word out of Luhnow's mouth when a trade is discussed. Imo you win championships through the farm. I am not a big fan of trading prospects. Yes, I understand they are just "Prospects". Without the Astros knowing their rotation in 2020,now is not that time to trade any top prospects. |
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