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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 16:50:45 GMT -6
I have always liked Chirinos and think getting out of Arlington could give him a new start. He has good power and a decent arm. He has never hit for much of an average. If he continues to show double-digit HR potential with a .320+ OBP and tolerable defense, he'll be a fine addition for a year while they hopefully get Stubbs ready. I agree and I think that is why they got him.......to do the job until they know Subbs is ready. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 16:56:31 GMT -6
And that's really all we need. We've replaced Marwin with somebody controllable and cheaper with a higher ceiling. And now we've replaced McCann/Maldonado with a veteran catcher that should be very reasonably-priced and has been fairly productive offensively. Now we just need some pitching depth and a DH. If we can do that without using our top prospects and signing any long-term deals, I'll be very pleased. Productive offensively? Career .233 hitter...or something. With a .324 OBP and .764 OPS (good for better than league average even as a catcher). His average season since being the Rangers primary catcher (2014-2018): 13 HR 39 RBI .235/.327/.446 .773 OPS 103 OPS+ Projected numbers for 2019:19 HR 57 RBI .231/.331/.433 .764 OPS It's certainly not mind-blowing, but it's a huge upgrade over last year. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 16:57:31 GMT -6
Sources indicate Braves discussions with Marlins for Realmuto include a pkg built around 3B Austin Riley & P Michael Soroka. Marlins are still listening to offers from other clubs. Wild they have two already decent C looks like one will be heading out the door if that deal goes down. I just heard there have been no talks from the Braves about prospects and that there will be none the Braves are happy with what they have. Astros are still front runners The Astros didn't sign Chirinos and still be trying to trade for Realmuto. What you "heard" is bullshit. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 16:58:58 GMT -6
Productive offensively? Career .233 hitter...or something. With a .324 OBP and .764 OPS (good for better than league average even as a catcher). His average season since being the Rangers primary catcher (2014-2018): 13 HR 39 RBI .235/.327/.446 .773 OPS 103 OPS+ Projected numbers for 2019:19 HR 57 RBI .231/.331/.433 .764 OPS It's certainly not mind-blowing, but it's a huge upgrade over last year. I looked up those projections awhile ago and I am even more impressed with the signing.........big offensive upgrade. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 16:59:29 GMT -6
And I don't think this takes us out of the running for Realmuto (not that I particularly want him for the cost, personally). You'd probably have to include Stassi in a deal for Realmuto so Chirinos would be the backup catcher and Realmuto would be the primary. Realmuto is a strong enough hitter to DH a good amount when he isn't catching as well.
This lets you get Stubbs up a little this year and taking over as the backup for Realmuto next year before he becomes a free agent.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 17:01:34 GMT -6
I can't see us offering enough to get Realmuto after signing Chirinos. I think signing him means we are no longer trying to trade for Realmuto or sign another FA catcher.
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 17:03:24 GMT -6
I can't see us offering enough to get Realmuto after signing Chirinos. I think signing him means we are no longer trying to trade for Realmuto or sign another FA catcher. Personally I hope that's the case. However, it wouldn't surprise me. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 17:09:28 GMT -6
I can't see us offering enough to get Realmuto after signing Chirinos. I think signing him means we are no longer trying to trade for Realmuto or sign another FA catcher. Personally I hope that's the case. However, it wouldn't surprise me. Sign Cruz! Offer Verlander and Cole extensions...see if Morton will pitch two more years....and sign some pitcher they can make a project... |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 17:10:48 GMT -6
Personally I hope that's the case. However, it wouldn't surprise me. Sign Cruz! Offer Verlander and Cole extensions...see if Morton will pitch two more years....and sign some pitcher they can make a project... No extension for Springer? |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 4, 2018 17:15:29 GMT -6
And I don't think this takes us out of the running for Realmuto (not that I particularly want him for the cost, personally). You'd probably have to include Stassi in a deal for Realmuto so Chirinos would be the backup catcher and Realmuto would be the primary. Realmuto is a strong enough hitter to DH a good amount when he isn't catching as well. This lets you get Stubbs up a little this year and taking over as the backup for Realmuto next year before he becomes a free agent. I’m thinking the same way you are on this move. Seems like with more teams resolving their needs at catcher as the offseason moves forward there are fewer teams in need of Realmuto’s services for next season. Maybe the Marlins will drop their asking price to a level that Luhnow is comfortable with and we trade for him without sacrificing Tucker. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 17:22:02 GMT -6
Personally I hope that's the case. However, it wouldn't surprise me. Sign Cruz! Offer Verlander and Cole extensions...see if Morton will pitch two more years....and sign some pitcher they can make a project... Extend those two and Springer. We don't have to extend Correa and Bregman for awhile. Sign Cruz and Morton. I still think we are working hard to sign Eovaldi. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 17:23:46 GMT -6
And I don't think this takes us out of the running for Realmuto (not that I particularly want him for the cost, personally). You'd probably have to include Stassi in a deal for Realmuto so Chirinos would be the backup catcher and Realmuto would be the primary. Realmuto is a strong enough hitter to DH a good amount when he isn't catching as well. This lets you get Stubbs up a little this year and taking over as the backup for Realmuto next year before he becomes a free agent. I’m thinking the same way you are on this move. Seems like with more teams resolving their needs at catcher as the offseason moves forward there are fewer teams in need of Realmuto’s services for next season. Maybe the Marlins will drop their asking price to a level that Luhnow is comfortable with and we trade for him without sacrificing Tucker. The only way I would consider dealing for Realmuto would be if neither Tucker nor Whitley is involved. Since we signed Chirinos, if we get Realmuto, then, Stassi will be be traded. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 17:32:43 GMT -6
He's a good blocker though. So is a jaded, ugly girl that no one pays attention to, ones that try to sabotage everyone else getting some...Sherwin, before you got married to a fine lady, thank you for falling on the grenade so many times... Ugly ladies need love too. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 17:35:02 GMT -6
I’m thinking the same way you are on this move. Seems like with more teams resolving their needs at catcher as the offseason moves forward there are fewer teams in need of Realmuto’s services for next season. Maybe the Marlins will drop their asking price to a level that Luhnow is comfortable with and we trade for him without sacrificing Tucker. The only way I would consider dealing for Realmuto would be if neither Tucker nor Whitley is involved. Since we signed Chirinos, if we get Realmuto, then, Stassi will be be traded. If Realmuto is acquired without Tucker or Whitley and with Stassi, then we’ll have to apologize to Todd about his boy and his worth. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 17:36:12 GMT -6
Guys, Chirinos is not a bad signing at all. I was surprised about the CS%, but he wasn’t too easy of an out with the Rangers.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 17:40:03 GMT -6
I like Cruz and all, but I’m not sure that a 2-year deal for a 38-year old is that much better than Brantley or Pollock for more years. I could be wrong, but I fear a dramatic decline like with Beltrán.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 18:26:07 GMT -6
Sign Cruz! Offer Verlander and Cole extensions...see if Morton will pitch two more years....and sign some pitcher they can make a project... No extension for Springer? Don't know..we will see in 2020....would be nice though... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 18:27:21 GMT -6
I like Cruz and all, but I’m not sure that a 2-year deal for a 38-year old is that much better than Brantley or Pollock for more years. I could be wrong, but I fear a dramatic decline like with Beltrán. I rather take 2 years of Cruz than 4 years of Pollock or Brantley...now if they would sign for 3 that might even the playing field. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 18:29:35 GMT -6
So is a jaded, ugly girl that no one pays attention to, ones that try to sabotage everyone else getting some...Sherwin, before you got married to a fine lady, thank you for falling on the grenade so many times... Ugly ladies need love too. Yeah but no one needs to know... BTW, Bortaz refers to them as homely. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 18:38:16 GMT -6
I just heard there have been no talks from the Braves about prospects and that there will be none the Braves are happy with what they have. Astros are still front runners The Astros didn't sign Chirinos and still be trying to trade for Realmuto. What you "heard" is bullshit. Nah I heard Jake is the new janitor. He likes ur bull shit |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 18:58:22 GMT -6
I like Cruz and all, but I’m not sure that a 2-year deal for a 38-year old is that much better than Brantley or Pollock for more years. I could be wrong, but I fear a dramatic decline like with Beltrán. That would be a steep decline based on how good he has been with no major health concerns. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 19:22:30 GMT -6
Interesting there are teams calling about Stassi. Woooooot. Perfect Mets dont have enough prospects to pull the J.T. Rumor off. No enter league trade.
Sounds like Tucker for J.T. Realmuto straight up with Chironos as his back up.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 4, 2018 19:27:05 GMT -6
I’m thinking the same way you are on this move. Seems like with more teams resolving their needs at catcher as the offseason moves forward there are fewer teams in need of Realmuto’s services for next season. Maybe the Marlins will drop their asking price to a level that Luhnow is comfortable with and we trade for him without sacrificing Tucker. The only way I would consider dealing for Realmuto would be if neither Tucker nor Whitley is involved. Since we signed Chirinos, if we get Realmuto, then, Stassi will be be traded. I agree. I also agree with Saint’s take that Stassi would likely be a part of any deal for a Realmuto. Having Chirinos for 1 year gives the team some insurance should Stassi be traded and Stubbs not be ready to open the 2019 season with the Astros. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 19:27:11 GMT -6
Interesting there are teams calling about Stassi. Woooooot. Perfect Mets dont have enough prospects to pull the J.T. Rumor off. No enter league trade. Sounds like Tucker for J.T. Realmuto straight up with Chironos as his back up. That’s the thing. If you trade Tucker, you better have a backup. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:32:17 GMT -6
The only way I would consider dealing for Realmuto would be if neither Tucker nor Whitley is involved. Since we signed Chirinos, if we get Realmuto, then, Stassi will be be traded. I agree. I also agree with Saint’s take that Stassi would likely be a part of any deal for a Realmuto. Having Chirinos for 1 year gives the team some insurance should Stassi be traded and Stubbs not be ready to open the 2019 season with the Astros. I think on the contrary...they think Stassi as the backup and Chirinos is buying time for Stubbs....and Stassi will most likely be backup for Stubbs some point in 2020 ( he might start at the beginning of the season). |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:33:41 GMT -6
Interesting there are teams calling about Stassi. Woooooot. Perfect Mets dont have enough prospects to pull the J.T. Rumor off. No enter league trade. Sounds like Tucker for J.T. Realmuto straight up with Chironos as his back up. That’s the thing. If you trade Tucker, you better have a backup. I hope Chirinos eliminates the thought of Astros trading Tucker for Realmuto. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 19:44:10 GMT -6
That’s the thing. If you trade Tucker, you better have a backup. I hope Chirinos eliminates the thought of Astros trading Tucker for Realmuto. I like Chirinos, but he’s no long term fix either. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 19:48:33 GMT -6
We will have to wait and see.
To me I want Realmuto. I dont want Grandal or Ramos. Perez is higher then J.T.
Stassi to me is a pure back up only and the fact they have had Stubbs in alot of the trade rumors makes you think he could be traded aswell.
I've said it more then once the price for Catchers on the Open market is to high for there value and age mix.
Cervelli for a Stassi Straight up. Sure I would do it.
But J.T. Realmuto is a differance maker Catcher.
If they do go get him the better do something at the other need spots. DH LF 1B SP RP
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:55:29 GMT -6
I hope Chirinos eliminates the thought of Astros trading Tucker for Realmuto. I like Chirinos, but he’s no long term fix either. I know...but he is a decent bridge that doesn't cost too much money, commitment or the expense of top prospects. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 19:57:16 GMT -6
The Astros didn't sign Chirinos and still be trying to trade for Realmuto. What you "heard" is bullshit. Nah I heard Jake is the new janitor. He likes ur bull shit you are still the joke of this board.......we all know you are full of shit........how many of the deals you "hear" about ever happen..NONE........you are a dumbass who only shows up to post this shit to try and sound important,. |
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