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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:57:53 GMT -6
We will have to wait and see. To me I want Realmuto. I dont want Grandal or Ramos. Perez is higher then J.T. Stassi to me is a pure back up only and the fact they have had Stubbs in alot of the trade rumors makes you think he could be traded aswell. I've said it more then once the price for Catchers on the Open market is to high for there value and age mix. Cervelli for a Stassi Straight up. Sure I would do it. But J.T. Realmuto is a differance maker Catcher. If they do go get him the better do something at the other need spots. DH LF 1B SP RP Realmuto could be only a difference maker for two years; meanwhile, your top pitchers, Verlander and Cole, could be elsewhere next year... It would be a very shortsighted trade. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 19:58:29 GMT -6
I'm not gonna argue with u Jake meat.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 19:59:09 GMT -6
Interesting there are teams calling about Stassi. Woooooot. Perfect Mets dont have enough prospects to pull the J.T. Rumor off. No enter league trade. Sounds like Tucker for J.T. Realmuto straight up with Chironos as his back up. I repeat........you are an idiot. GM's are on the phone making calls all the time.....that proves nothing . We will NOT trade Tucker for Realmuto.......take it to the bank. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 19:59:54 GMT -6
I'm not gonna argue with u Jake meat. Fantasy football playoffs about to start. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 4, 2018 20:00:02 GMT -6
That’s the thing. If you trade Tucker, you better have a backup. I hope Chirinos eliminates the thought of Astros trading Tucker for Realmuto. With so many other teams apparently moving on from their pursuit of Realmuto it would seem like if Luhnow was going to trade Tucker for Realmuto he would have done so by now. The Marlins may have overplayed their hand and driven away so many potential buyers that Luhnow doesn’t think it necessary to include Tucker in order to make the Marlins the best offer they will get for Realmuto now. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 20:00:10 GMT -6
I'm not gonna argue with u Jake meat. How long have you been tasting Dietrich's meat? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 20:01:30 GMT -6
We will have to wait and see. To me I want Realmuto. I dont want Grandal or Ramos. Perez is higher then J.T. Stassi to me is a pure back up only and the fact they have had Stubbs in alot of the trade rumors makes you think he could be traded aswell. I've said it more then once the price for Catchers on the Open market is to high for there value and age mix. Cervelli for a Stassi Straight up. Sure I would do it. But J.T. Realmuto is a differance maker Catcher. If they do go get him the better do something at the other need spots. DH LF 1B SP RP Realmuto could be only a difference maker for two years; meanwhile, your top pitchers, Verlander and Cole, could be elsewhere next year... It would be a very shortsighted trade. Your top two pitchers might be gone regardless. Cole = Boras Verlander is fency. Was considering retiring then came here was alive again. Isnt getting any younger. A injury away from no more baseball. Let's not get its twisted I want them both here. I love them both. But two contracts in the 25m range I dont think itll happen |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 4, 2018 20:01:56 GMT -6
I'm not gonna argue with u Jake meat. Fantasy football playoffs about to start. Who winning? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 20:03:30 GMT -6
Boras isn't a deal breaker any longer.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 20:06:22 GMT -6
Fantasy football playoffs about to start. Who winning? Like you don't know. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 4, 2018 20:09:54 GMT -6
Boras isn't a deal breaker any longer. I’m curious to see if Boras changes his approach after the owners refused to cave to his tactics last offseason in the way they had in every offseason before. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 20:10:29 GMT -6
Realmuto could be only a difference maker for two years; meanwhile, your top pitchers, Verlander and Cole, could be elsewhere next year... It would be a very shortsighted trade. Your top two pitchers might be gone regardless. Cole = Boras Verlander is fency. Was considering retiring then came here was alive again. Isnt getting any younger. A injury away from no more baseball. Let's not get its twisted I want them both here. I love them both. But two contracts in the 25m range I dont think itll happen So why trade top prospects for a 2 year player, when your team might over go a major rehaul after this next season. The Astros need to secure Verlander and Cole before they trade any top prospects..It is so foolish to think otherwise. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 20:10:54 GMT -6
Boras isn't a deal breaker any longer. I’m curious to see if Boras changes his approach after the owners refused to cave to his tactics last offseason as they had in every offseason before. Better and more successful analytics has to make it exceedingly difficult for him to oversell his players like in the past. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 20:13:50 GMT -6
I hope Chirinos eliminates the thought of Astros trading Tucker for Realmuto. With so many other teams apparently moving on from their pursuit of Realmuto it would seem like if Luhnow was going to trade Tucker for Realmuto he would have done so by now. The Marlins may have overplayed their hand and driven away so many potential buyers that Luhnow doesn’t think it necessary to include Tucker in order to make the Marlins the best offer they will get for Realmuto now. I think the Jeter can wait for the right offer for JT to come along, whether it be this off-season or trade deadline...At the very worst he never gets what he thinks is good value for him, JT becomes a FA . Then offers him a QO and he signs elsewhere, thus getting draft compensation |
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Post by Saint on Dec 4, 2018 20:17:40 GMT -6
With so many other teams apparently moving on from their pursuit of Realmuto it would seem like if Luhnow was going to trade Tucker for Realmuto he would have done so by now. The Marlins may have overplayed their hand and driven away so many potential buyers that Luhnow doesn’t think it necessary to include Tucker in order to make the Marlins the best offer they will get for Realmuto now. I think the Jeter can wait for the right offer for JT to come along, whether it be this off-season or trade deadline...At the very worst he never gets what he thinks is good value for him, JT becomes a FA . Then offers him a QO and he signs elsewhere, thus getting draft compensation I agree. There is no rush for them to trade JT this off-season. They'll get just as much (maybe more) during the season with a contender. A major selling point would be that he wouldn't be just a rental for the season. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 4, 2018 20:19:59 GMT -6
I’m curious to see if Boras changes his approach after the owners refused to cave to his tactics last offseason as they had in every offseason before. Better and more successful analytics has to make it exceedingly difficult for him to oversell his players like in the past. True. Owners can now better see the actual ingredients contained in the magic elixir he is peddling in his medicine show and they aren’t duped as easily by his bs. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 4, 2018 20:30:40 GMT -6
Ugly ladies need love too. Yeah but no one needs to know... BTW, Bortaz refers to them as homely. I KNEW you were talking about WSOB! |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 20:39:01 GMT -6
Yeah but no one needs to know... BTW, Bortaz refers to them as homely. I KNEW you were talking about WSOB! You gave her the "Homely" moniker...I thought she was a very nice lady, who just happened to jinx no-hitters... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 20:43:44 GMT -6
With so many other teams apparently moving on from their pursuit of Realmuto it would seem like if Luhnow was going to trade Tucker for Realmuto he would have done so by now. The Marlins may have overplayed their hand and driven away so many potential buyers that Luhnow doesn’t think it necessary to include Tucker in order to make the Marlins the best offer they will get for Realmuto now. I think the Jeter can wait for the right offer for JT to come along, whether it be this off-season or trade deadline...At the very worst he never gets what he thinks is good value for him, JT becomes a FA . Then offers him a QO and he signs elsewhere, thus getting draft compensation If you give Luhnow a Cashman mask, Jeter will give Realmuto up for Jiovanni Mier and cash considerations. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 4, 2018 20:45:31 GMT -6
I think the Jeter can wait for the right offer for JT to come along, whether it be this off-season or trade deadline...At the very worst he never gets what he thinks is good value for him, JT becomes a FA . Then offers him a QO and he signs elsewhere, thus getting draft compensation If you give Luhnow a Cashman mask, Jeter will give Realmuto up for Jiovanni Mier and cash considerations. What are we waiting for? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 22:50:02 GMT -6
I agree. I also agree with Saint’s take that Stassi would likely be a part of any deal for a Realmuto. Having Chirinos for 1 year gives the team some insurance should Stassi be traded and Stubbs not be ready to open the 2019 season with the Astros. I think on the contrary...they think Stassi as the backup and Chirinos is buying time for Stubbs....and Stassi will most likely be backup for Stubbs some point in 2020 ( he might start at the beginning of the season). If Stubbs is ready at the beginning of the season, Chirinos will be the other catcher and Stassi is history. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 4, 2018 22:56:46 GMT -6
Realmuto has been clear about the fact that he doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding program in Miami. That should encourage the Marlins to try to deal him. An unhappy player normally doesn't play to his potential. That doesn't mean that I want him at the expense of top prospects like Tucker or Whitley.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 4, 2018 23:51:24 GMT -6
IF we get Realmuto, does that move alone make this a better team? I say no. They must replace Marwin, Tucker, and Gattis with something really good. Then, they still have to worry about pitching. Essentially, trading Tucker for Realmuto doesn’t solve much.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 5, 2018 0:04:34 GMT -6
IF we get Realmuto, does that move alone make this a better team? I say no. They must replace Marwin, Tucker, and Gattis with something really good. Then, they still have to worry about pitching. Essentially, trading Tucker for Realmuto doesn’t solve much. They think trading for Diaz replaces Marwin. They want more from a DH than they got from Gattis and probably won't make him an offer if they can sign someone like Cruz. They need to be doing all they can to sign Morton. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 5, 2018 0:13:37 GMT -6
IF we get Realmuto, does that move alone make this a better team? I say no. They must replace Marwin, Tucker, and Gattis with something really good. Then, they still have to worry about pitching. Essentially, trading Tucker for Realmuto doesn’t solve much. They think trading for Diaz replaces Marwin. They want more from a DH than they got from Gattis and probably won't make him an offer if they can sign someone like Cruz. They need to be doing all they can to sign Morton. Díaz replaces Marwin on the bench side of things, but without him and Tucker, you’re down a starting LF. Cruz would replace Gattis, which would help from a consistency standpoint. All in all, improving the offense with just Realmuto wouldn’t be good without adding Cruz or one of the free agent OF’s. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 5, 2018 0:33:09 GMT -6
They think trading for Diaz replaces Marwin. They want more from a DH than they got from Gattis and probably won't make him an offer if they can sign someone like Cruz. They need to be doing all they can to sign Morton. Díaz replaces Marwin on the bench side of things, but without him and Tucker, you’re down a starting LF. Cruz would replace Gattis, which would help from a consistency standpoint. All in all, improving the offense with just Realmuto wouldn’t be good without adding Cruz or one of the free agent OF’s. Agreed.......we need to get a LF and i think McCutchen would be the way to go. We need a guy like him if Tucker isn't ready. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 5, 2018 0:50:15 GMT -6
I can't see us offering enough to get Realmuto after signing Chirinos. I think signing him means we are no longer trying to trade for Realmuto or sign another FA catcher. It might be a set up move. You get a catcher that takes the pressure off and hope this makes the Marlins realize that they can't demand Tucker because the Astros are desperate. Even if it doesn't make the Marlins more reasonable, it improves the team.
Luhnow is playing 3 dimensional chess while other are playing checkers.
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Post by m240 on Dec 5, 2018 7:30:28 GMT -6
I can't see us offering enough to get Realmuto after signing Chirinos. I think signing him means we are no longer trying to trade for Realmuto or sign another FA catcher. It might be a set up move. You get a catcher that takes the pressure off and hope this makes the Marlins realize that they can't demand Tucker because the Astros are desperate. Even if it doesn't make the Marlins more reasonable, it improves the team.
Luhnow is playing 3 dimensional chess while other are playing checkers.
Luhnow has a price in mind that he considers "the right price" and he will not exceed it. I doubt that we push for Realmuto any longer but will respond if the Marlins call to start things up again. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 5, 2018 7:44:42 GMT -6
I'm really thinking Luhnow has confidence in his Price Value ratios along with a good balance of Present Future ratios. He's willing to live with those evaluations whether it results in moves or not. He does not succumb to pressure to make a move just to appease fans or his own ego.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 5, 2018 8:11:45 GMT -6
I was gonna post it last night
This guy is a area scout slash beat writer or info investigator idk which but Brian Mctaggart trust him.
(So I have a source...I was told to not get specific but the Astros on the verge of signing an impact player that will rock the Astros fan base. I’m sorry...can’t expand other than that. I’ll keep the twittersphere posted.)
(All you Terry, enjoy the glory. This isn’t Bryce but could be twice as nice.)
The Terry guy is the guy who brought up the Harper has an interest in the Astros
a couple days ago.
What do you think of the above?
Twice as nice.
GRIENKE AND GOLDSCHMIDT??
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