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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 10:56:24 GMT -6
Instead of us taking a garbage contract how about them taking Reddick and Smith as part of their return. That would be a 34 million reduction in our payroll for the next two years. They would be getting back productive players though so getting rid of those two contracts and 20 million back as well would work real nice. Brantley/Pollock/McCutchen would be imperative to sign in that case. Wouldn't be surprised the Astros where to sign one of them and still get another OF |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 10:57:14 GMT -6
I think getting Greinke is a great idea. He wouldn't require a major prospect depending on how much money we ate, and he'd be ours for three years, which we need. Verlander Cole Greinke McHugh James/Peacock/Whitley or Morton (?) That's probably the best rotation in baseball on paper. If we add Greinke, I would prefer to take on more of his contract than to deal away more good prospects to get him. He would give up a great top 3 in the rotation. I have always thought he was a jerk but he has been a great pitcher. He also has been doing alot of the Analytics himself to adjust to the game |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 10:58:58 GMT -6
Brandon Belt and Madison Bumgarner?
That's a package that's being looked or should be looked at. Hoiston could dump a contract easily
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 10, 2018 10:59:34 GMT -6
Instead of us taking a garbage contract how about them taking Reddick and Smith as part of their return. That would be a 34 million reduction in our payroll for the next two years. They would be getting back productive players though so getting rid of those two contracts and 20 million back as well would work real nice. Brantley/Pollock/McCutchen would be imperative to sign in that case. I have wanted them to sign McCutchen from the beginning. Adding him and Cruz or Martinez would fill out our lineup..plus, we still have Tucker |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 10, 2018 11:07:29 GMT -6
The rumors are exhausting. I hope something gets done in the Winter Meetings. Otherwise, it’ll be a long offseason.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 11:17:54 GMT -6
Based on Morton's autistic interviews, I really think he'd retire if his shoulder was a problem. You are to saying autistic as millennials are to saying cool beans or kick rocks.  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 10, 2018 11:23:21 GMT -6
The rumors are exhausting. I hope something gets done in the Winter Meetings. Otherwise, it’ll be a long offseason. Is anyone worried about 2020? If the Astros can not re-sign Verlander and Cole, they are going from a WS contender in 2019 to maybe 2nd favorite in the AL West behind Oakland A's (depending on what they do)...Why not make it focus on re-signing them, so they don't have to give up prospects...Even if the get Grienke, and save 10M off his $30M contract, we are still talking about $20M for 3 more years...at the cost of good prospects... Would you rather have Verlander at $25M a year for 3 more years and keep the prospects? Same thing ($25M) for Cole at the tune for 6 more years? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 10, 2018 11:25:42 GMT -6
You are to saying autistic as millennials are to saying cool beans or kick rocks. Autistic seems to be your go to adjective. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 11:28:09 GMT -6
Autistic seems to be your go to adjective.  |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 10, 2018 11:35:23 GMT -6
Autistic seems to be your go to adjective. You are to Autistic as Corch is to dumbass....Willing to Take the Pepsi Challenge - How many times on your nursing staff referred them to be Autistic or at a least say the exhibit Autistic traits.... |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 11:40:02 GMT -6
My granddaughter is on the spectrum.
Who else did I say was autistic that leads you to cast this aspersion? Show me.
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Post by Saint on Dec 10, 2018 12:28:22 GMT -6
Picard memes are the best.
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Post by marshall on Dec 10, 2018 12:44:30 GMT -6
Autistic seems to be your go to adjective. I keep thinking his auto-correct is changing artistic to autistic. Nobody makes fun of autistic folks anymore. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 12:55:21 GMT -6
Picard memes are the best. Yep |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 12:56:31 GMT -6
Autistic seems to be your go to adjective. I keep thinking his auto-correct is changing artistic to autistic. Nobody makes fun of autistic folks anymore. It wasn't making fun of him...it was a clinical observation based on his behavior during interviews. Go back to your coin collection, nerd. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 10, 2018 13:12:47 GMT -6
If we are interested in Greinke and determine his value is worth about 25M/yr., then absorbing 2019 in it's entirety and deferring 2020 and 2021 offsets of 12.5M each year brings about 31.5 M, 20M, 20M allowing for extensions to Verlander and Cole. These are ballpark numbers, but talent offsets should be minimized under this scenario. Talent returns should be accompanied by further salary offsets or additional talent.
I'm pretty sure Luhnow won't fall for giving both salary relief and talent as some GMs have for the same incremental improvements to the club. he only reason to add to a package is a reevaluation of his Value.
I just haven't seen many deals suggested that actually improve the Astros overall. They just spend great future value for minimal present value.
I'm comfortable with McHugh and Peacock starting the season with Minor league dominance waiting in the wings in the event of injury. I'm comportable waiting on Tucker to get most of the ABs for the first half of the season rather than sell low. I'm comfortable with Kemp as a fourth outfielder for starts and Jake for late game defense.
I don't want one season with the best Fantasy Lineup to replace years of actual dominance. If we can get something without giving up the future, then good. But we don't need to make a deal at all. We are competitive as we stand.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 10, 2018 14:55:52 GMT -6
In addition to the Astros, teams mentioned as in on discussions for Nelson Cruz are the Twins, Rays, and White Sox. If he wants a shot at a title before he retires, the only one of that group who is close to winning is the Astros. If the Rays are rebuilding, why would they want him? The Twins and White Sox cannot compete at the present time. I hope Luhnow doesn't keep playing the waiting game he is known for and not get the bats that we need. We needed one at the deadline last season, he did nothing to add one, and we paid for it.It is time for him to get off his ass and get something done.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 10, 2018 14:57:48 GMT -6
Gotta keep up with the Joneses. If you don’t want to give up prospects, sign a free agent. If you don’t want to spend much, make a trade.
You don’t have to sacrifice future value if you spend. However, Luhnow is cognizant of the window to win. How much patience should they have with Tucker? Not everyone hits the ground running like Ichiro or Fred Lynn.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 15:00:03 GMT -6
How much patience should they have with Tucker? Not everyone hits the ground running like Ichiro or Fred Lynn. More than 60 something At Bats, son. |
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Post by m240 on Dec 10, 2018 15:02:13 GMT -6
Arizona is now saying that they do not intend to do a complete sell off and are comfortable where their salary is right now (65 million committed with Grienke). Could be posturing and it could be real, if it is real then time to change directions and go for Fulmer or Stroman.
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Post by marshall on Dec 10, 2018 15:11:35 GMT -6
Arizona is now saying that they do not intend to do a complete sell off and are comfortable where their salary is right now (65 million committed with Grienke). Could be posturing and it could be real, if it is real then time to change directions and go for Fulmer or Stroman. Stroman has the name, but sometimes the name alone isn't sufficient. See Beer. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 10, 2018 15:19:42 GMT -6
Arizona is now saying that they do not intend to do a complete sell off and are comfortable where their salary is right now (65 million committed with Grienke). Could be posturing and it could be real, if it is real then time to change directions and go for Fulmer or Stroman. My money would be on POSTURING if I were a betting man. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 10, 2018 15:25:17 GMT -6
Gotta keep up with the Joneses. If you don’t want to give up prospects, sign a free agent. If you don’t want to spend much, make a trade. You don’t have to sacrifice future value if you spend. However, Luhnow is cognizant of the window to win. How much patience should they have with Tucker? Not everyone hits the ground running like Ichiro or Fred Lynn. i want to them to have lots of patience with him. Any kid with a swing they compare to Ted Williams needs to be given every chance to succeed. I firmly believe that it will come back to haunt us if we trade him. He and Whitley should be untouchable at this point. We don't have to deal one of them to get what we need. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 10, 2018 15:27:00 GMT -6
Arizona is now saying that they do not intend to do a complete sell off and are comfortable where their salary is right now (65 million committed with Grienke). Could be posturing and it could be real, if it is real then time to change directions and go for Fulmer or Stroman. I don't mind a deal for Fulmer, and, if we can get Castellanos in the deal, that would be OK. I think Strom could be just what Fulmer needs. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 15:27:38 GMT -6
Marlins have lowered there price on Realmuto.
Stay tuned
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 10, 2018 15:30:08 GMT -6
Marlins have lowered there price on Realmuto. Stay tuned If it's low enough to keep Whitley and Tucker out of it, let's see what we can do. Maybe the Marlins figured out that teams won't raid the farm to get Realmuto. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 15:48:42 GMT -6
Also in order to get Kluber or Baur itll take Tucker
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 15:50:01 GMT -6
I would look at a deal for both Castellanos and Fulmer and push for Stroman. Prepare for the future.
But I would also look at Kluber and Realmuto
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 15:51:36 GMT -6
Hear #Marlins have slightly lowered return request on Realmuto since end of the season. Outside execs say they perceive Mia knows have to deal him but after getting not enough last year, esp for Yelich, gunshy to go quickly and undersell.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 10, 2018 15:52:32 GMT -6
Several teams who checked in with the #Dbacks say that Robbie Ray is not available
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