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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 12, 2018 10:31:41 GMT -6
I guess I forgot about Whitley. With the drug suspension we didn't get to see as much of him last year as we would have liked.
His spring training will be more important than for most guys in camp. Maybe he earns the #5 spot in the rotation.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 12, 2018 10:32:44 GMT -6
As we sit here today we are a significant injury to either Verlander or Cole away from struggling to get to a 4.12 era. We need to pull the trigger on Grienke and sign Murphy/Cruz/Brantley/Pollock. Even without any money from Arizona we can do both and still have 20 million more under the cap. We should offer to take on more of Greinke's salary and give Arizona lesser prospects. I am inclined to agree with you guys on trading for Greinke and on taking on more salary in order to get him for lesser prospects. I was just going back over the Astros info at Roster Resource. As it stands right now these guys will be free agents next offseason and could be gone in 2020: Verlander π Cole π Pressly π’ McHugh βΉοΈ Peacock π Rondon π Smith π€¨ Harris π Chirinos π We could potentially lose 8 of our 13-man pitching staff in one year, including our #1 and #2 SPs and our best relief pitchers. LMJ will be back in 2020, but coming off TJS. Whitley should be ready to take a spot in the starting rotation in 2020. That still leaves 6 pitchers we could have to replace in 2020. IMO the Astros should not trade Whitley, Corbin Martin or Josh James. I think all three of those guys can be a #1 - #3 SP soon in MLB. I would like to see them hold onto one of either Cionel Perez or Framber Valdez as well. Besides those guys there are still a lot of talented pitchers in our Top 30...., Armenteros, Bukauskus, Bielak, Deetz and Tyler Ivey are some other guys who should be in MLB by 2020 and who I think will succeed at the big league level. Itβs not like the Astros have to give up one of their Top 10 prospects in order for Arizona to get a decent prospect or prospects in a trade for Greinke.
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2018 10:49:43 GMT -6
We should offer to take on more of Greinke's salary and give Arizona lesser prospects. I am inclined to agree with you guys on trading for Greinke and on taking on more salary in order to get him for lesser prospects. I was just going back over the Astros info at Roster Resource. As it stands right now these guys will be free agents next offseason and could be gone in 2020: Verlander π Cole π Pressly π’ McHugh βΉοΈ Peacock π Rondon π Smith π€¨ Harris π Chirinos π We could potentially lose 8 of our 13-man pitching staff in one year, including our #1 and #2 SPs and our best relief pitchers. LMJ will be back in 2020, but coming off TJS. Whitley should be ready to take a spot in the starting rotation in 2020. That still leaves 6 pitchers we could have to replace in 2020. IMO the Astros should not trade Whitley, Corbin Martin or Josh James. I think all three of those guys can be a #1 - #3 SP soon in MLB. I would like to see them hold onto one of either Cionel Perez or Framber Valdez as well. Besides those guys there are still a lot of talented pitchers in our Top 30...., Armenteros, Bukauskus, Bielak, Deetz and Tyler Ivey are some other guys who should be in MLB by 2020 and who I think will succeed at the big league level. Itβs not like the Astros have to give up one of their Top 10 prospects in order for Arizona to get a decent prospect or prospects in a trade for Greinke. Arizona needs starters, offer up Peacock and Perez Arizona needs a CF, offer up Straw Arizona needs a 1st baseman/third baseman, offer up Davis or Hernandez. Also I think Deetz will replace Harris this year, and I agree with your assessments of Whitley, Martin, and James.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 10:56:43 GMT -6
Astros would need to get more then Just Grienke. If your giving up anything or taking more money it's just not for Grienke. We just aren't taking the money and laughing about what we stole from them.
There has to be a contract going back. Common since would say Joe Smith. They want a CF take Jake Marsanik and his around 5m then you can look at who you want back along with Grienke to help you facilitate taking that big contract back. When you figure that out the prospect would stay the same across the board as far as talent. Mid to mid high no one in the top 5. This would be easily done. I'll give you an example
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 11:03:31 GMT -6
Let's say Zach Grienke and David Peralta or Zach Grienke and Archie Bradley.
Either offer.
You move salary back to make it easier for you to accommodate and facilitate the trade. Joe Smith and Jake Marsanik are first on the list. Then let say Tony Kemp, J.B. (since they want to trade him so badly) Brad Peacock and two out of J.D. Davis, A.J. Reed, Derek Fisher and Abraham Toro.
This would elevate money away from this deal and still give the Diamondbacks a good offer and that's with no money comming back from the Diamondbacks. If money comes back then deal gets better.
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 12, 2018 11:29:08 GMT -6
There was a tweet out saying the Braves might be willing to trade Foltynewicz. He's got 3 years left on his contract. After 4 crappy years in the big leagues, he appeared to have figured things out last year (2.85 ERA over 31 starts).
If Fulmer can't be had, might it be time for a reunion with Folty? If Folty came back to Houston, I'd like to see Markakis or Inciarte tagging along.
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 12, 2018 11:30:37 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 12:06:20 GMT -6
Rangers are the Astros biggest threat on Morton. Days seem to be to far from home i can't believe Morton would even consider signing with that half-assed organization.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 12:11:18 GMT -6
Astros would need to get more then Just Grienke. If your giving up anything or taking more money it's just not for Grienke. We just aren't taking the money and laughing about what we stole from them. There has to be a contract going back. Common since would say Joe Smith. They want a CF take Jake Marsanik and his around 5m then you can look at who you want back along with Grienke to help you facilitate taking that big contract back. When you figure that out the prospect would stay the same across the board as far as talent. Mid to mid high no one in the top 5. This would be easily done. I'll give you an example We don't have anyone named Marsanik on our roster, andm thankfully we have no Dietrich on it either. By the way, that Happ signing by the Yankees had not been finalized when you posted it, and, according to mlb a little while ago, they were still "close" to having it done. Being "close" doesn't mean it's official.
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 12, 2018 12:58:36 GMT -6
here is a link the Astros are using to broadcast the press conferences they hold at the Winter Meetings www.pscp.tv/astros/1yoKMjmYXOnGQ no need to watch live, they save it all there from what I can tell.
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2018 13:08:22 GMT -6
Rangers are the Astros biggest threat on Morton. Days seem to be to far from home i can't believe Morton would even consider signing with that half-assed organization. A few extra million dollars can change a lot of things. If you're not a HoF-caliber player going for milestones and you've already won a ring, why not maximize the money you can get before you retire? He's probably getting some two-year $20 million offers, so if he's getting that much already, why not accept a few more even if it's a crappy team? No pressure to perform and that's a lot of money to pass up.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:08:39 GMT -6
This waiting game sucks.
Idk if I would rather have Harper and what ever scraps we could get.
Or try and get Brantley and Cruz and trade for Fulmer and Castellanos.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 14:17:47 GMT -6
i can't believe Morton would even consider signing with that half-assed organization. A few extra million dollars can change a lot of things. If you're not a HoF-caliber player going for milestones and you've already won a ring, why not maximize the money you can get before you retire? He's probably getting some two-year $20 million offers, so if he's getting that much already, why not accept a few more even if it's a crappy team? No pressure to perform and that's a lot of money to pass up. He is worth at least $20 milion over two years to us. If that's all it takes, sign him and move on.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 14:19:24 GMT -6
This waiting game sucks. Idk if I would rather have Harper and what ever scraps we could get. Or try and get Brantley and Cruz and trade for Fulmer and Castellanos. Signing Brantley and Cruz, and, trading for Fulmer and Castellanos makes sense.....Having Harper and "scraps" would be just plain dumb.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 14:26:29 GMT -6
From what I am reading and hearing, the Astros are very active on trying to sign Brantley.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2018 14:26:54 GMT -6
This waiting game sucks. Idk if I would rather have Harper and what ever scraps we could get. Or try and get Brantley and Cruz and trade for Fulmer and Castellanos. Signing Brantley and Cruz, and, trading for Fulmer and Castellanos makes sense.....Having Harper and "scraps" would be just plain dumb. I would sign Cruz...sign Cahill for 3 years....trade for Gray and Romine to shore up #4 spot in rotation and catcher Low cost moves and signings that do not hamstring the bank or the farm.
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 12, 2018 14:28:29 GMT -6
This waiting game sucks. Idk if I would rather have Harper and what ever scraps we could get. Or try and get Brantley and Cruz and trade for Fulmer and Castellanos. Are you sure Trout is not available?
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:29:12 GMT -6
This waiting game sucks. Idk if I would rather have Harper and what ever scraps we could get. Or try and get Brantley and Cruz and trade for Fulmer and Castellanos. Are you sure Trout is not available? In two years he will be.
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2018 14:31:16 GMT -6
From what I am reading and hearing, the Astros are very active on trying to sign Brantley. I am for Brantley if it is not more than 3 years...he has ton of ability, but he spends too much time in the repair shop.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:40:37 GMT -6
I think we can all agree that Houston lacks better then mid avg hitting. Altuve and Bregman cant do it all. Astros lack power aswell and if they can get help there it would make this team dynamic.
Let say this we sign Micheal Brantley to play 1B/LF 3yrs 51m
Trade Tony Kemp and a low level prospect for Corey Dickerson.
Trade for Micheal Fulmer and Nick Castellanos
1. Springer. CF 2. Altuve. 2B 3. Bregman. 3B 4. Brantley. 1B/LF/RF 5. Castellanos DH/LF/RF 6. Dickerson. LF/RF/DH 7. Correa. SS 8. Reddick. RF/LF 9. What ever Catcher
Move Yuli Bench Diaz Straw Marisnick And extra Catcher
Marisnick and Straw could easily be moved away for another Infielder depth guy.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:42:43 GMT -6
If you got Harper you would mortgage the future on one guy. I'm not against it but dang I like pitching aswell
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:43:42 GMT -6
Adding to the Top if you got Wilson Ramos and let him C/DH OMG what a team
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:45:21 GMT -6
Ray's closing into long term deal with Charlie Morton..... wow. Big money
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 12, 2018 14:47:28 GMT -6
I am going to be pissed if they let Morton get away over money after he did for them in the 2017 World Series. Luhnow needs to get off his ass and sign him before someone else does. They have no better options available for the money.
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Post by m240 on Dec 12, 2018 14:48:38 GMT -6
yeah that is going to hurt. It has to be a low end deal for the Rays to be the team.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:50:36 GMT -6
Scott Boras said a clubβs long-term outlook is very important when considering a fit and confirmed that Harper has been studying up on the farm system and organizational strength of the teams pursuing him
This is very interesting when you look at the possible signing of Harper
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:50:56 GMT -6
yeah that is going to hurt.Β It has to be a low end deal for the Rays to be the team.Β Β More then 15m per
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Post by Saint on Dec 12, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -6
Let's wait and see the money/years he gets before we judge too quickly. Morton gave us a lot of value (and I think he has another year or two in him, possibly), but he is still an aging health risk to give big money to.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 12, 2018 14:56:57 GMT -6
Morton two year for 30. Hahahahaha
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 12, 2018 14:57:39 GMT -6
Let's wait and see the money/years he gets before we judge too quickly. Morton gave us a lot of value (and I think he has another year or two in him, possibly), but he is still an aging health risk to give big money to. Might be a good move by the Rays, if Morton doesn't ask for a NTC...
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